[VS] Hashirama vs. Hokage

[Oblivionx]

1) hokages win mid diff at best....!
2) kages win low diff....!
first you can't defeat ftg users without engaging in CQC....! it's almost impossible to hit them with chakra based attacks....! that's why whenever a battle is decided involving ftg user it ends with close ranged battle...! minato vs obito...! tobirama vs izuna....! tobirama vs madara....! minato vs jubito (when minato's arm got ripped off)... are there any other examples well can't remember....! XD
2nd flower tree world ain't doing anything as minato has shown shunshin feats to run out of range....! and with ftg he just jumps and throw kunai out of range and if you don't agree then he repeats it and gets out of range....!
3rd mokujin was supposed to fight against beasts, madara stated it if i need to refresh people's memories.... anyway it's not hitting Tsunade let alone ftg users....!
4th Shinsusenju, it again is used to fight against giants like PS, or kyubi....! if it's punches were unavoidable then why didn't they crush madara along with susano?? because madara evaded them by simply jumping off kyubi's head....! simple shunshin will dodge it's punches and that's all team hokages need to teleport it away....! although it was zetsus version of shinsenju which hieuzen countered already but i was talking about original shinsusenju....!
5th simple mokuton or other mokuton jutsus again can be countered with water style, (i mean every style since hiruzen is there), enma, or simply ftg....!
6th how do hokages kill hashirama...? people often forget a kunai to heart kills anybody, now matter what regeneration they have....! if it wasn't the case then madara had no need to dodge tobirama's hirashingiri because he has everything hashirama has....! anyway Tsunade boosted elemental jutsus, or tobirama's blow zombie up jutsu can be used as alternatives....!
7th hashirama is in no way comparable to current madara....! madara without hashirama's SM was on par with him in CQC and not to mention actually was better because he stabbed hashirama with black rods...! and what saved madara from hirashingiri was SM, i.e another enhancement to madara in CQC and tobirama isn't even the fastest shinobi on the battlefield....!

 

[miromiro]

Hokage & Gokage take the two scenarios, both extremely high difficulty.

 

[Touken]

Hmm, what if I gave Tobirama Edo for extra firepower?

 

[MickNerks]

Logically the hokages win. Hashirama cant defeat them all at once while they are using team work. Three of the people on the hokage's team (Tobirama, Hiruzen, Tsunade) have a vast amount of knowledge on hashirama and his arsenal. And if minato and tobirama tag each other and hiruzen and tsunade with there FTG seals, then they can interchangeably teleport themselves and others out of harms way. There is literally no was for hashirama to injury any of them.

Flower Tree world is not a problem as tsunade and Hiruzen (by knowing about all jutsu in leaf) have info on the technique, and as we know from itachi, "every technique has a weakness'. Destroying the flowers on the trees just so happen to be FTW's. This is not a difficult feat for the likes of hiruzen who has fire nature abilities.

Wood Golem is not a problem for Enma who was able to easily chop a wood tree in half. And with FTG seals on hiruzen, tonirama should easily be able to remove hiruzen from harms way. Even tobirama with his water jutsu (forgot which tech) was able to slice god tree easily. So I don't see how hashirama's mokuton is a exception. Juubi has far more chakra and far more powerful chakra then hashirama so if the source of all chakra (which has the most powerful chakra couldn't tank tobirama's water techs or enma's assults, there is no way in hell hashirama can.


Honestly this whole match comes down to how fast they can eliminate hashirama. Hashirama cant defeat all the other hokage at once. It was high diff for him to beat EMS Madara. So the fact that you all believe he can beat 4 other hokages by himself when you think about it is utterly ridiculous.

The Fanboy Fantasies must stop.

 

[KidGamer65]

Wood Golem is not a problem for Enma who was able to easily chop a wood tree in half. And with FTG seals on hiruzen, tonirama should easily be able to remove hiruzen from harms way. Even tobirama with his water jutsu (forgot which tech) was able to slice god tree easily. So I don't see how hashirama's mokuton is a exception. Juubi has far more chakra and far more powerful chakra then hashirama so if the source of all chakra (which has the most powerful chakra couldn't tank tobirama's water techs or enma's assults, there is no way in hell hashirama can.

The same branches that were getting fodderized by Madara's Gunbai? Destroying those branches lets Hiruzen and Tobirama destroy something that can take Madara's PS slashes? lmao, not sure if serious. Lol

Honestly this whole match comes down to how fast they can eliminate hashirama. Hashirama cant defeat all the other hokage at once. It was high diff for him to beat EMS Madara. So the fact that you all believe he can beat 4 other hokages by himself when you think about it is utterly ridiculous.

That same EMS Madara would obliterate these 4 with low difficulty, he'd even destroy them without Kurama as a summon, so this comparison is garbage.

The Fanboy Fantasies must stop.

Agreed. Hiruzen destroying Mokujin is nothing but a fanboy fantasy.

 

[blazekev90]

Not much else say, i agree with everyone else. Hokage win mid-high difficulty.

Kage stomp.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

xdxd

1- Hiruzen use his Fire and wind to shit on the Flowe Tree.
2- S/T berrier shits on that.

3- S/T berrier shits on his Buddha and reflect it's punches to Hashi's face.

troll detected

OT Hashi both

 

[MickNerks]

The same branches that were getting fodderized by Madara's Gunbai? Destroying those branches lets Hiruzen and Tobirama destroy something that can take Madara's PS slashes? lmao, not sure if serious. Lol

What are you referring to when mention a technique that can take madara's PS slash?
Are you referring to hashirama's mokuton? I don't recall any of his mokuton techs tanking a PS SLASH.

That same EMS Madara would obliterate these 4 with low difficulty, he'd even destroy them without Kurama as a summon, so this comparison is garbage.

I don't think you honestly believe that EMS madara can defeat Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, and Tsunade all at once. Im willing to ask the base to see what they think. Woah you even think that he can win without kurama, smh bro please explain that one.

Agreed. Hiruzen destroying Mokujin is nothing but a fanboy fantasy.

Actually he has shown feats of destroying mokuton already, and also shown feats of successfully protecting himself from it. Honestly not trying to fanboy anyone in this situation, I trying just don't think hashirama can defeat all the hokages at once. If you feel strongly that he can than please explain it to me so that I could see the situation from your point of view.

 

[KidGamer65]

What are you referring to when mention a technique that can take madara's PS slash?
Are you referring to hashirama's mokuton? I don't recall any of his mokuton techs tanking a PS SLASH.

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PS swings its blade, Mokujin is still standing.

I don't think you honestly believe that EMS madara can defeat Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, and Tsunade all at once. Im willing to ask the base to see what they think. Woah you even think that he can win without kurama, smh bro please explain that one.

Yes, he can. And he can do it with ease. I'll make a separate thread since you want to ask the rest of the base (not like it matters what most of them say)

Actually he has shown feats of destroying mokuton already, and also shown feats of successfully protecting himself from it. Honestly not trying to fanboy anyone in this situation, I trying just don't think hashirama can defeat all the hokages at once. If you feel strongly that he can than please explain it to me so that I could see the situation from your point of view.

Not Hashirama's full power, only Part I Edo Hashirama's weakened Mokuton. Mokujin would manhandle Hiruzen and tank his attacks. Same with Tobirama. All the Kage would beat him (only if they don't let him summon the Buddha) but these 4 aren't going to do it, especially when the only ones who are factors here is the S/T Duo.

-Their offense isn't enough to take Hashirama down. Mokuton Hobi tanked Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama which already far surpasses anything that these 4 can produce. Hiruzen's elemental jutsu are nice and all but its not going to leave a dent in Mokuton. He also has Byakugo level healing when in Sage Mode, so he'll pretty much heal from any attack they even manage to land on him.

-Hashirama can easily outnumber them with his Mokuton Clones, who are all capable of using his large scale jutsu such as

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, even while he's fighting Madara in Sage Mode using

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-Large scale Mokuton branches can be used to shift the location of Tobirama and Minato's Hiraishin Kunai (And marks on the ground considering Mokuton would rip apart the ground the mark is placed on) meaning there is no escape from him.

-I have reason to believe that if Tobirama or Minato get caught by the Mokuryu, they'll be done for considering that while it was absorbing chakra from Madara, he

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So he shouldn't be able to use any jutsu that require chakra, meaning Hiraishin can't be used. Unless I'm looking at things the wrong way.

-Summonings aren't really a factor here considering Mokujin would slaughter them, or

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would easily crush them.

Also, your teleporting allies around the battlefield stategy doesn't work so easily. Even if they are marked, to teleport them around either Tobirama or Minato would have to teleport to them, and then teleport them away, but that puts Minato/Tobirama in danger if they teleport to an ally who is about to receive an attack. Its also equally as dangerous if Hashirama has moved around their Kunai/Markings.

Despite the reduced size, none of these guys except Tsunade will survive Shinsuusenju slamming all its fists into them and the ground. Mei tanked one fist that hit her in the air, and Ay cut through one fist while the statue was attacking everyone else/

 

[Ebisu]

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Use this how you want for both sides. It helps both if you all figure it out how.​

 

[Draegod]

Kages together win low-mid. Don't care about the first one.

 

[Oblivionx]

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PS swings its blade, Mokujin is still standing.



Yes, he can. And he can do it with ease. I'll make a separate thread since you want to ask the rest of the base (not like it matters what most of them say)



Not Hashirama's full power, only Part I Edo Hashirama's weakened Mokuton. Mokujin would manhandle Hiruzen and tank his attacks. Same with Tobirama. All the Kage would beat him (only if they don't let him summon the Buddha) but these 4 aren't going to do it, especially when the only ones who are factors here is the S/T Duo.

-Their offense isn't enough to take Hashirama down. Mokuton Hobi tanked Full Kurama's Bijuu Dama which already far surpasses anything that these 4 can produce. Hiruzen's elemental jutsu are nice and all but its not going to leave a dent in Mokuton. He also has Byakugo level healing when in Sage Mode, so he'll pretty much heal from any attack they even manage to land on him.

-Hashirama can easily outnumber them with his Mokuton Clones, who are all capable of using his large scale jutsu such as

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, even while he's fighting Madara in Sage Mode using

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.

-Large scale Mokuton branches can be used to shift the location of Tobirama and Minato's Hiraishin Kunai (And marks on the ground considering Mokuton would rip apart the ground the mark is placed on) meaning there is no escape from him.

-I have reason to believe that if Tobirama or Minato get caught by the Mokuryu, they'll be done for considering that while it was absorbing chakra from Madara, he

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use

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So he shouldn't be able to use any jutsu that require chakra, meaning Hiraishin can't be used. Unless I'm looking at things the wrong way.

-Summonings aren't really a factor here considering Mokujin would slaughter them, or

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would easily crush them.

Also, your teleporting allies around the battlefield stategy doesn't work so easily. Even if they are marked, to teleport them around either Tobirama or Minato would have to teleport to them, and then teleport them away, but that puts Minato/Tobirama in danger if they teleport to an ally who is about to receive an attack. Its also equally as dangerous if Hashirama has moved around their Kunai/Markings.

Despite the reduced size, none of these guys except Tsunade will survive Shinsuusenju slamming all its fists into them and the ground. Mei tanked one fist that hit her in the air, and Ay cut through one fist while the statue was attacking everyone else/

1) hokages win mid diff at best....!
2) kages win low diff....!
first you can't defeat ftg users without engaging in CQC....! it's almost impossible to hit them with chakra based attacks....! that's why whenever a battle is decided involving ftg user it ends with close ranged battle...! minato vs obito...! tobirama vs izuna....! tobirama vs madara....! minato vs jubito (when minato's arm got ripped off)... are there any other examples well can't remember....!
2nd flower tree world ain't doing anything as minato has shown shunshin feats to run out of range....! and with ftg he just jumps and throw kunai out of range and if you don't agree then he repeats it and gets out of range....!
3rd mokujin was supposed to fight against beasts, madara stated it if i need to refresh people's memories.... anyway it's not hitting Tsunade let alone ftg users....!
4th Shinsusenju, it again is used to fight against giants like PS, or kyubi....! if it's punches were unavoidable then why didn't they crush madara along with susano?? because madara evaded them by simply jumping off kyubi's head....! simple shunshin will dodge it's punches and that's all team hokages need to teleport it away....! although it was zetsus version of shinsenju which hieuzen countered already but i was talking about original shinsusenju....!
5th simple mokuton or other mokuton jutsus again can be countered with water style, (i mean every style since hiruzen is there), enma, or simply ftg....!
6th how do hokages kill hashirama...? people often forget a kunai to heart kills anybody, now matter what regeneration they have....! if it wasn't the case then madara had no need to dodge tobirama's hirashingiri because he has everything hashirama has....! anyway Tsunade boosted elemental jutsus, or tobirama's blow zombie up jutsu can be used as alternatives....!
7th hashirama is in no way comparable to current madara....! madara without hashirama's SM was on par with him in CQC and not to mention actually was better because he stabbed hashirama with black rods...! and what saved madara from hirashingiri was SM, i.e another enhancement to madara in CQC and tobirama isn't even the fastest shinobi on the battlefield....!

 

[MuerteMiAmigo]

i think the kage win both....tsunade heals sarutobi supports and tobi and minato ftg him till he is beaten