Hashirama used Kurama against Madara.

[TobisPawn]

Mito sealed it when he gained control of it, to better aid him. The manga says that quite clearly.

It's never, EVER said the kyuubi was sealed after the fight.

Well judging by how Hashirama's casually talking to Kurama instead of fighting Madara, one would think that he sealed it after the fight.

doesnt matter. madara would have no respect for hashirama if he was getting outside help to work for him in their fight.

Madara, who's all about honor, used Kurama against Madara so I don't think he'd have a problem if Hashirama used Kurama back at him.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Well judging by how Hashirama's casually talking to Kurama instead of fighting Madara, one would think that he sealed it after the fight.

Him saying he's not going to allow the nine tails to rome free = that it was sealed after the fight?

That proves nothing. It's already been stated what happened, and has not been contradicted.

 

[TrollingSage]

Mito sealed it when he gained control of it, to better aid him. The manga says that quite clearly.

It's never, EVER said the kyuubi was sealed after the fight.

It never ever said the sealing took place during the fight either. Lets think about this for a sec. We all know sealing a tailed beast takes some time. Do you seriously believe Mito would have had time to seal Kurama whilst the fighting was still going on?

 

[Jinton Spam]

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[TheSages456]

Well judging by how Hashirama's casually talking to Kurama instead of fighting Madara, one would think that he sealed it after the fight.



Madara, who's all about honor, used Kurama against Madara so I don't think he'd have a problem if Hashirama used Kurama back at him.

well madara used kurama as a weapon. madara says that hashirama can stop him and he makes no mention of kurama. he just talks of hashirama.

 

[EliteKakashi]

It never ever said the sealing took place during the fight either. Lets think about this for a sec. We all know sealing a tailed beast takes some time. Do you seriously believe Mito would have had time to seal Kurama whilst the fighting was still going on?

Yes, it was said.

During the fight, Hashirama-sama gained control of the nine-tails, and in order to better aid him, Mito-sama sealed it in to her own body.

If the fight was over, how was that better aiding him during the fight? That would make no sense, in any way, form or fashion.

 

[TobisPawn]

Him saying he's not going to allow the nine tails to rome free = that it was sealed after the fight?

That proves nothing. It's already been stated what happened, and has not been contradicted.

I think the sentence says that Hashirama gained control of Kurama during the fight, and Mito then sealed it within her after the fight. But I see what you're saying, and I guess its up to debate.

well madara used kurama as a weapon. madara says that hashirama can stop him and he makes no mention of kurama. he just talks of hashirama.

Hashirama can still be better than Madara without Kurama.

 

[TrollingSage]

Yes, it was said.

During the fight, Hashirama-sama gained control of the nine-tails, and in order to better aid him, Mito-sama sealed it in to her own body.

If the fight was over, how was that better aiding him during the fight? That would make no sense, in any way, form or fashion.

In order to better aid in what? The fight? Or maintaining control of the tailed beast? I believe its the latter. Why? Well if the sharingan's control of a tailed beasts has a limit, then Hashirama's control should also have one. I believe either
1. Hashirama was low on chakra after the fight and couldnt maintain control the fox so he had Mito seal it into her body OR

2. Judging from how Hashirama said he couldnt allow the fox to roam free, maybe just maybe he tried to keep it as a pet and it broke free and Hashirama decided it was best to seal it.

 

[EliteKakashi]

In order to better aid in what? The fight? Or maintaining control of the tailed beast? I believe its the latter. Why? Well if the sharingan's control of a tailed beasts has a limit, then Hashirama's control should also have one. I believe either
1. Hashirama was low on chakra after the fight and couldnt maintain control the fox so he had Mito seal it into her body OR

2. Judging from how Hashirama said he couldnt allow the fox to roam free, maybe just maybe he tried to keep it as a pet and it broke free and Hashirama decided it was best to seal it.

Kushina said it in succession, implying during the fight she(Mito, that is) sealed kurama in to herself..but the EXACT reason you just stated...Hashirama having to constantly suppress the kyuubi would drain his chakra. So in order to better aid him, she sealed it in to herself. She sees her husband having to fight a shinobi on equal grounds with him, and having to control kurama at the same time? She's gonna seal it in herself to better aid him.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[Strict]

They fought many times as the leaders of their two clans, with these fights ending in stalemates. From a politcal point of view, it would not make sense for Hashirama to show mercy on Madara (Prior to the founding of Konoha), considering these were two rival clans threatening to tear eachother to pieces. That's why they formed a peace treaty.

Anyhow, i'll leave you with this. Do you honestly believe Shodaime left the Kyuubi lying around when he was perfectly capable of manipulating it and using it for his own gains?

Here we can only speculate. But I going by Madaras and Dans statements who said that Hashirama can stop him. They fought maybe several times but who says that they were equal. Maybe Hashirama was always the superior one and thus Madara wasn't able to enforce his will.

The reason why I think that Hashirama didn't use Kurama could also be that he sealed him away so he couldn't be controlled by Madara again. If Hashirama took control over Kurama, Madara could also do this again. Sealing him away would just be the safest method.

And in the end, Hashirama was just the superior one and this is a fact.

 

[TrollingSage]

Kushina said it in succession, implying during the fight she(Mito, that is) sealed kurama in to herself..but the EXACT reason you just stated...Hashirama having to constantly suppress the kyuubi would drain his chakra. So in order to better aid him, she sealed it in to herself. She sees her husband having to fight a shinobi on equal grounds with him, and having to control kurama at the same time? She's gonna seal it in herself to better aid him.

Makes perfect sense.

Actually there was a full stop after the first statement. And even if they were in the same sentence, it wouldnt mean they happened in the same time period.
To fully understand what a character says, you have to take the situation in which he/she said it into consideration. In this case, it was Kushina telling Naruto how the fox came into Konoha's possession. The fox was the main topic not Hashirama vs Madara.
In any case we know Madara challenged Hashirama in Konoha. The fight took place in the valley of the end. Care to guess why? If Hashirama is anything like the Hiruzen and Minato, the reason for that will be because he doesnt want anyone interferring and/or getting hurt because of their fight. As Madara himself says, those 2 rewrite entire maps when they fight. I find it hard to believe Hashirama would bring Mito along and that Madara didnt complain about that.

 

[BL00DZ]

If Madara said himself that only Hashirama can defeat him, then he knows Hashirama doesn't even need the 9 Tails or Mito to win. Or he might have said that "I am stronger then Hashirama if he didn't have the Nine Tails in control or his wife helping him.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Actually there was a full stop after the first statement. And even if they were in the same sentence, it wouldnt mean they happened in the same time period.
To fully understand what a character says, you have to take the situation in which he/she said it into consideration. In this case, it was Kushina telling Naruto how the fox came into Konoha's possession. The fox was the main topic not Hashirama vs Madara.
In any case we know Madara challenged Hashirama in Konoha. The fight took place in the valley of the end. Care to guess why? If Hashirama is anything like the Hiruzen and Minato, the reason for that will be because he doesnt want anyone interferring and/or getting hurt because of their fight. As Madara himself says, those 2 rewrite entire maps when they fight. I find it hard to believe Hashirama would bring Mito along and that Madara didnt complain about that.

There's nothing to suggest it didn't happen in the same time period. If anything, everything suggests that it DID happen in that time period. Hashirama took down Madara while wasting a good bit of chakra having to suppress Kurama for most of the fight? Doubtful. It completely exhausts Yamato to control/stop Naruto from just transforming in to the kyuubi, and that's only at 50% power. Hashirama's mokuton mastery far surpasses Yamato's, obviously, but 100% Kurama, who isn't sealed in to anyone would seem to multiply the amount of difficulty to suppress it.

Madara brought Kurama with him, he would have no room to complain. Hashirama could have brought Mito along for that exact reason, to seal the kyuubi in to her.

I see no way that Hashirama could have defeated Madara while having to suppress Kurama at the same time. If that were the case, that legend would be known by any and everybody, and there would never be any conflicting "strongest hokage" statements in the manga, because the answer would just be painfully obvious at that point.

 

[TrollingSage]

There's nothing to suggest it didn't happen in the same time period. If anything, everything suggests that it DID happen in that time period. Hashirama took down Madara while wasting a good bit of chakra having to suppress Kurama for most of the fight? Doubtful. It completely exhausts Yamato to control/stop Naruto from just transforming in to the kyuubi, and that's only at 50% power. Hashirama's mokuton mastery far surpasses Yamato's, obviously, but 100% Kurama, who isn't sealed in to anyone would seem to multiply the amount of difficulty to suppress it.

Madara brought Kurama with him, he would have no room to complain. Hashirama could have brought Mito along for that exact reason, to seal the kyuubi in to her.

I see no way that Hashirama could have defeated Madara while having to suppress Kurama at the same time. If that were the case, that legend would be known by any and everybody, and there would never be any conflicting "strongest hokage" statements in the manga, because the answer would just be painfully obvious at that point.

Ever considered the possibility that Hashirama took control of the nine tails just at the end of the fight? And as Yamato himself has admitted, Hashirama is leagues. Also we dont know how Hashirama took control of the fox from Madara. He could done something like what Minato did to Tobi for all we know.
And even if he did have to fight Madara whilst surpressing Kurama, Madara controlling and summoning Kurama would have taken a lot out of him too so it would even the odds more than anything.
The legend says Madara challenged Hashirama, not Hashirama and Mito . And they fought in the valley of the end, away from the village. Unless Hashirama can see the future and predicted Madara would use the fox and that Mito's Uzumaki characteristics would make her a suitable jinchuriki, he wouldnt bring her along.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Ever considered the possibility that Hashirama took control of the nine tails just at the end of the fight? And as Yamato himself has admitted, Hashirama is leagues. Also we dont know how Hashirama took control of the fox from Madara. He could done something like what Minato did to Tobi for all we know.
And even if he did have to fight Madara whilst surpressing Kurama, Madara controlling and summoning Kurama would have taken a lot out of him too so it would even the odds more than anything.
The legend says Madara challenged Hashirama, not Hashirama and Mito . And they fought in the valley of the end, away from the village. Unless Hashirama can see the future and predicted Madara would use the fox and that Mito's Uzumaki characteristics would make her a suitable jinchuriki, he wouldnt bring her along.

It was stated during the fight Hashirama took control of it, not at the end of it. You're going to tell me that Hashirama fought both Kurama(the strongest being in the narutoverse, short of SO6P and the juubi) and Madara at the same time, for a long period of time?...yeah..no.

Controlling Kurama didn't take anything at all out of Tobi, so I don't see why it would do that to Madara. Sasuke, with just his 3 tomoe sharingan "suppressed" the kyuubi with ease in his first fight with Naruto in shippuden.

It's more than possible that Hashirama knew that Madara wanted the nine tails in his control, so why would it be outlandish to say he'd prepare to have to fight it? Kushina says quite clearly what happened during the fight. I don't see why anyone tries to argue it. She doesn't even leave anything open to be debated, as she said Mito did it to better aid Hashirama.

Thinking that Hashirama would continue to suppress the kyuubi throughout the whole fight with Madara, or even worse, that he could fight the kyuubi and Madara at the same time are extremely outlandish statements.

 

[TrollingSage]

It was stated during the fight Hashirama took control of it, not at the end of it. You're going to tell me that Hashirama fought both Kurama(the strongest being in the narutoverse, short of SO6P and the juubi) and Madara at the same time, for a long period of time?...yeah..no.

Controlling Kurama didn't take anything at all out of Tobi, so I don't see why it would do that to Madara. Sasuke, with just his 3 tomoe sharingan "suppressed" the kyuubi with ease in his first fight with Naruto in shippuden.

It's more than possible that Hashirama knew that Madara wanted the nine tails in his control, so why would it be outlandish to say he'd prepare to have to fight it? Kushina says quite clearly what happened during the fight. I don't see why anyone tries to argue it. She doesn't even leave anything open to be debated, as she said Mito did it to better aid Hashirama.

Thinking that Hashirama would continue to suppress the kyuubi throughout the whole fight with Madara, or even worse, that he could fight the kyuubi and Madara at the same time are extremely outlandish statements.

First of all Sasuke didnt surpress the kyubi at all . He only pushed back the little bit of chakra that was breaking out of the seal. Why do you think Tobi could only control the kyubi for a limited amount of time? Cos he was running out of chakra genius.
And how is it possible Hashirama knew Madara was planning to take control of the nine tails? As far as we know Madara had left the village when he did that. Unless Hashirama has some sort of psychic connection to Madara, there's absolutely no way he'll know.
And I think you're misinterpreting what Kushina said. She said "During their fight, Hashirama gained control of the fox". FULL STOP. Then "in order to aid Hashirama". In order to aid him in what? The fight? Or maintaining the control of the kyubi? Thats up for debate. I ten to think its the later seeing as the statues of at the valley of the end only has Hashirama and Madara, and Madara has never complained about Mito being there , infact he even goes ahead and says Hashirama can stop even his edo form.
And as I said before, Hashirama could have simply done something similar to what the 4th did against Tobi to Madara. That way he wouldnt need to surpress the kyubi throught out the fight. And oh btw suggesting Mito would have time to seal the nine tails whilst Hashirama is having a fight to the death with a shinobi of Madara's level is even more outlandish. Just saying

 

[lol99]

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As far as controlling the kurama is concerned I just don't see how a yang release technique can affect the mind and free will of a bijuu. Genjutsu can do that cause it is yin release.

And even in the manga Madaras name is mentioned ahead of Hashirama when this topic is mentioned, only sharingan can truly control the bijuus

 

[partha420]

...I agree...

 

[shogun973]

it can be inferred but not definitive.... most likely he did because if he didn't i dnt see how he would win really because of the power up madara got he should be stronger and it is said hashi could control tailed beast.
in summary he did 80% sure

 

[Ryuga Uchiha]

Didn't read, but nahh.