[Theory] Hashirama & Tsunade | The So Called Timeline Error!

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I saw a thread about a error in the timeline about Hashirama and Tsunade meeting, and it have been corrected by many but I would just like to share my entire theory on it, most likely it will be wrong but what the hecK!

As far as we know, we know nothing about Hashirama's age or death. But we do know he didn't die old as he was revived by Oro and he looked rather young and I doubt Oro did some special Edo on him like Kabuto did with Madara. Now that leaves us too the fact that he died fairly young. So lets get this started!

The Senju and Uchiha fights, the form a alliance against Madara's will and they become Konoha, the Village Hidden in the Leaves. Shortly after this Madara tries to overthrow the Senju's after Hashirama is made the 1st Hokage. Madara is the abounded by his clan and leaves Konoha. Hashirama is still Hokage, now lets say that Madara is gone from the Village for around 3-4 years. In that time span we will talk about what Hashirama did.

Around 6 months too 1 year after Madara leaves, Tsunade is born. As Tsunade grows, Hashi is spoiling her around like she is a god. During the next 3-4 years Tsunade learns gambling from Hashirama, and Hashirama and Tobirama is finishing the training with Hiruzen. This is when Madara returns..

Madara returns when Tsunade is about 4 years old and Hiruzen is around 23 years old. Madara returns with the Nine-Tails in adept too destroy Konoha and take his place as the Uchiha's clans leader and remove the Senju from the world. Hashirama and Madara fights, when the fight ends we have no further info on Hashirama and we know that the world though that Madara was dead, while we also know he survived that fight. Now this is also the time were Tobirama becomes the Hokage after Hashirama's death.

Hashirama dies from his battle with Madara, I know most people don't think this but it kinda makes sense. You see:

Naruto = Hashirama
Sasuke = Madara

Naruto told Sasuke that if they ever fought, Naruto would not become the hero who killed Sasuke nor would he become the loser who lost too Sasuke. He told Sasuke that he would die on that battlefield together with Sasuke. Think if Hashirama though the same, that he died that day. This makes Tobirama the Hokage.

Tobirama is the Hokage for the next 1.5-2 years and then he dies and entrust his title unto Hiruzen who takes the role of Hokage and a few months later his face is carved into the mountain and he takes on Oro,Tsunade and Jiraya and trains them.

This makes the timeline a little shaken in the later years though.. But anyways, let me get some feedback no my kinda odd theory!
 

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It was never pointed out that hashi died on the battle scene i am not saying its false since i have no clue what really happened but i would not be quick to say for certain that he did die on the scene.
 

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hashi lookes young because of his senju dna so he could of actually died old
 

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im not sure how hashi died but tsunade said he died in the middle of his dreams of bringing peace
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where are you getting all these dates? How do you know he was 23? I mean lets assume he was 16 when he had his kid and lets say that child followed in dad's footsteps and had a kid at 16. Then if tsunade was about 4 in the flashback. That means 16+16+4=36. Still very young to die but it make alot more sense then if he had a kid at 3.
 

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The time line ain't that shaky at all.Its just a case of misunderstanding.The same as its always been with people who claim to find a plot hole but are never correct.You think those people would spend as much time verifying there thoughts as they do writing out their threads lol

Onoki is pushing his 70's and we know tsunade is 54 currently.In the flash backs of onoki we clearly saw that madara was still alive which means this is before the fight with hashirama as everyone thought he was dead after the fight ensued.And since we know onoki was still young maybe late teens that would easily shave 50 years off his life span if you count backwards.Now how old would that make tsunade ?

The answer is 4.

old enough to walk and talk and to start preschool or in her case gambling.
 

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im not sure how hashi died but tsunade said he died in the middle of his dreams of bringing peace
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50 years Tsunade's current age/quote+ 4 (Tsunade's age in flashback) is 54 years ago. but that dosn't really help us find out his age. Other then his age + 54 years= current age
 

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where are you getting all these dates? How do you know he was 23? I mean lets assume he was 16 when he had his kid and lets say that child followed in dad's footsteps and had a kid at 16. Then if tsunade was about 4 in the flashback. That means 16+16+4=36. Still very young to die but it make alot more sense then if he had a kid at 3.

I am taking the dates from Hiruzen and Tsunade's age. He must have died fairly young as we was revived that way, we have also seen a Uzumaki who is the blood twins too be quite old, this old Uzumaki would be Hashirama's wife.
 

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The time line ain't that shaky at all.Its just a case of misunderstanding.The same as its always been with people who claim to find a plot hole but are never correct.You think those people would spend as much time verifying there thoughts as they do writing out their threads lol

Onoki is pushing his 70's and we know tsunade is 54 currently.In the flash backs of onoki we clearly saw that madara was still alive which means this is before the fight with hashirama as everyone thought he was dead after the fight ensued.And since we know onoki was still young maybe late teens that would easily shave 50 years off his life span if you count backwards.Now how old would that make tsunade ?

The answer is 4.

old enough to walk and talk and to start preschool or in her case gambling.

1.Do we actually know his age other than by his looks? He could be in his 90's or 60's we don't know
2. Nobody is saying that he didn't live 50yrs ago. We are questioning how old was he when died? In relation to him remembering his granddaughter.
 

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At some point, yes. But what I really wanted to bring out was when he died and how he could have known Tsunade.

Good because it might be that his age was reflected on his appearance because his healing ability made him look younger
 

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I'm going to say he died at least in his early to mid 50's
 

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I am taking the dates from Hiruzen and Tsunade's age. He must have died fairly young as we was revived that way, we have also seen a Uzumaki who is the blood twins too be quite old, this old Uzumaki would be Hashirama's wife.

okay so she is 54 now
she was 4, 50 years ago
he was still around so currently he is at least 55 years old currently
But where are you getting his age
 

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okay so she is 54 now
she was 4, 50 years ago
he was still around so currently he is at least 55 years old
But where are you getting his age

I am not getting his age anywhere, I am taking it mostly from his looks, and Madara's. As I highly doubt that Madara was aronud 50+ years old when he took control over Uchiha since it was stated he was fairly young at some point.
 

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I don't see that.... :shy:

LoL its okay, the fact is we don't know and thats the controversy. Assuming he dons't have a "young jitsu/ preserves really well" I am going to take a stab and say early- mid thirties based on puberty of him and his child.
 

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im not sure how hashi died but tsunade said he died in the middle of his dreams of bringing peace
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She was talking about Hiruzen dying in his dreams. She said Sarutobi not Senju
 

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1.Do we actually know his age other than by his looks? He could be in his 90's or 60's we don't know
2. Nobody is saying that he didn't live 50yrs ago. We are questioning how old was he when died? In relation to him remembering his granddaughter.

Do you know how to count ?

If we are looking for a correlation to find out if the timeline proposed in the latest chapter is correct then this is the only thing we have to go on.

If he is in his 90's that would put him in his thirties we he first fought with madara and he clearly wasn't in his thirties.
Are you here in this thread to determine if hashirama/tsunade timeline is correct or to be stupid ?
 
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