Hashirama theory

[sindi1997]

HI everyone this is a theory about hashirama and how he defeated madara (not stariting the flames of wars just my opinion)

Ok so my theory starts with the development of tha actual two characters and we all know that when
sasuke aquired Ms naruto got his sage mode
We all know naruto represents hashirama and well sasuke madara
We also know that hashirama seemed to heal without forming seals and he didn t had any marks like tsunade otherwise madara would have known her abillity since he even actually knew she is his granddoughter

Since naruto is well a jinchuuriki he didn t had to go through the same steps has the other but i beleve that if he wasn t he had so my theory is that hashirama was a complete sage and it s actualy confirmed that there are three sage modes actualy

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Mount Myōboku,Shikkotsu Forest,Ryūchi Cave itachi confirmes this too and kishi needed to balance the sharingan with sage mode

So we all know that hashirama s wood had a huge scale and we all know that one sage mode increases the scale of the jutsus but now image the power of all three together it would actualy create a forest in a instant just like hashirama could

So to make it simplier
Mangekyou sharingan- Sage mode
Eternal mangekyou sharingan-2sage mode
(sage s complete eye) rinnegan- 3 sage modes (sage s complete body)

So based on my theory since hashirama was a perfect sage and madara had only eternal mangekyou sharingan they are not equal and presumabily madara knew this so that s why maybe he got the kyubi Also my theory makes more sense since when the jyuubi is revived (if it s going to happened but i dought it won t since kishe already told us) naruto will become a perfect sage too since he needs to become equal to sasuke

Tell me your opinion

 

[-Logic-]

It's OK, but how does one master all three Sage Modes? It seems too... far off.

 

[natssuu]

My theory sounds quite similar, I wonder why

 

[El Batman]

We will not know for sure until damn Kishi makes a damn Hashirama/Madara history arc!

Damnit Kishi make one already!

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

My theory sounds quite similar, I wonder why

I was just going to cite your work. Here it is for everyone else:

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[Sabuto Hayashi]

We will not know for sure until damn Kishi makes a damn Hashirama/Madara history arc!

Damnit Kishi make one already!

^^^
Thiiiis!

I wanna see that arc so bad! xd

 

[sindi1997]

I was just going to cite your work. Here it is for everyone else:

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I didn t even knew your existed i was re-reading the chapter when this came in to my mind

 

[Scooby Doo]

I think I've read something like this before, at least for the part that hashirama has SM...no proof, and just because Naruto has it against Sasuke, it doesnt mean Hashi had it against Madara, then you could come up with a theory that Naruto will have mokuton...

 

[sindi1997]

I think I've read something like this before, at least for the part that hashirama has SM...no proof, and just because Naruto has it against Sasuke, it doesnt mean Hashi had it against Madara, then you could come up with a theory that Naruto will have mokuton...

You didn t get the point its not about mokuton its about sage mode and i beleve when you are a perfect sage you can use all 5 elements but since hashirama was natyral born with mouktun he used it otherwise to match the uchihas everyone needs a biju

 

[Scooby Doo]

You didn t get the point its not about mokuton its about sage mode and i beleve when you are a perfect sage you can use all 5 elements but since hashirama was natyral born with mouktun he used it otherwise to match the uchihas everyone needs a biju

Yes I dont see youre point, and I think I'll never see it sorry. Dont bother explaining it to me I'm not really ready for this theory.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

I have to say no simply because EMS is not equal to 2 sage mode as you said. That bit didn't really make sense to me. But maybe it could then rinnegan would equal to 3 sage mode im half and half on believe this theory. Nice theory though.

 

[El Batman]

^^^
Thiiiis!

I wanna see that arc so bad! xd

Yeah man, Kishi needs to start leaning towards the Senju or uzumaki clan as far as history and abilites.

I also want to see an Uzumaki clan arc and of course and Tobirama Senju arc! He is a beast!

 

[sindi1997]

I have to say no simply because EMS is not equal to 2 sage mode as you said. That bit didn't really make sense to me.

Well look at it this way 1 sage mode way to little chakra to use big abillites-MS Blindles if overuse Abillites

2 sage modes bigger perception abillity bigger scale and much more chakra-Ems no blindless and less chakra consumption for ms Abillities it makes sense doesn it ?

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

ok, but something bothers me about this

what decides how the senjutsu that you absorb manifests?training, i would surmise, in terms of the type of sage modes, i mean if one is adept at absorbing nature chakra then the manipulation of that chakra between the various kinds of sage techniques [frog/dragon/etc] shouldnt be that difficult to achieve separately once youve mastered one i guess[im going to have to re-read back into naruto's sage training for a couple points], but simultaneously ? idk about that, in essence sage mode is balancing natural chakra with your spiritual and physical energy right? so to become a perfect sage you would have to absorb nature energy, manipulate it into 3 different types of senjutsu, then balance it with yoru own physical and spiritual energies? that seems damn near impossible

 

[IzunaUchiha2]

Good theory

 

[sindi1997]

ok, but something bothers me about this

what decides how the senjutsu that you absorb manifests? in terms of the type of sage modes, i mean if one is adept at absorbing nature chakra then the manipulation of that chakra between the various kinds of sage techniques [frog/dragon/etc] shouldnt be that difficult to achieve separately once youve mastered one i guess[im going to have to re-read back into naruto's sage training for a couple points], but simultaneously ? idk about that, in essence sage mode is balancing natural chakra with your spiritual and physical energy right? so to become a perfect sage you would have to absorb nature energy, manipulate it into 3 different types of senjutsu, then balance it with yoru own physical and spiritual energies? that seems damn near impossible

its as possible as aquirening the rinnengan and you are right about senjutsu

In the entire uchiha clan we only know one persone who actually awaken the rinnegan (madara) ---- And well if i m not wrong in the senju its hashirama

So now Sasuke will probabily get the rinnegan and naruto the perfect sage mode and yes i know there were other sage modes user like jiraya kabuto but they couldn t even master one sage mode totaly

 

[sindi1997]

Good theory

Thnx i really appriciate it

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

its as possible as aquirening the rinnengan and you are right about senjutsu

In the entire uchiha clan we only know one persone who actually awaken the rinnegan (madara) ---- And well if i m not wrong in the senju its hashirama

So now Sasuke will probabily get the rinnegan and naruto the perfect sage mode and yes i know there were other sage modes user like jiraya kabuto but they couldn t even master one sage mode totaly

well i guess if youre going to use kishi keeping everything balanced as an argument then it makes sense for naruto and sasuke to both become the embodiment of the es/ys

but madara didnt have rinnegan during their fight,he got it much later near the end of his life, so why would hashi have the sage body and madara not have the sage eyes, by your logic they should have stood on equal ground but if hashi was a perfect sage as you say then he grossly outclassed madara's ems

 

[sindi1997]

well i guess if youre going to use kishi keeping everything balanced as an argument then it makes sense for naruto and sasuke to both become the embodiment of the es/ys

but madara didnt have rinnegan during their fight,he got it much later near the end of his life, so why would hashi have the sage body and madara not have the sage eyes, by your logic they should have stood on equal ground but if hashi was a perfect sage as you say then he grossly outclassed madara's ems

That s were kyubi comes in the show

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

That s were kyubi comes in the show

interesting, i think the kyuubi might have ended up being more detrimental then beneficial but w/e


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