Hashirama (the one at VOTE) vs Nagato ( "prime" the fanfiction one)

[KingHashirama]

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And Madara did the same thing to BM Naruto via Mokuton: Mokuryoo. And that didn't stop Naruto from using Chakra taxing. Once again, no excuses.

^^^ scan?......

 

[Demonic.]

Hashirama's supply of Chakra doesn't restrict him from doing that. Minato, who was using half of Kurama's Chakra was able to teleport to Obito via Bunshin [

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], engage Juubito until his real body came to the day. Hashirama stated his Chakra is comparable to Kurama [

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]. He has no excuses.

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Except that even while he was holding the barrier, which is extremely chakra draining seeing as how Minato and Tobirama were limited, Hashirama still used Gate of the Great God and 6 Mokuton clones.....so again you claiming Gate of the Great God would limit Hashirama's large scale arsenal is preposterous

 

[Benjamin King]

^^^ scan?......

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Except that even while he was holding the barrier, which is extremely chakra draining seeing as how Minato and Tobirama were limited, Hashirama still used Gate of the Great God and 6 Mokuton clones.....so again you claiming Gate of the Great God would limit Hashirama's large scale arsenal is preposterous

Those fodder clones were weak.

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It barely had an effect on his reserves. I've given enough proof to show why. Now, you're the one who needs to prove to me, you and Strict. I'll be waiting

 

[Strict]

I've given enough proof to show why.

You did prove nothing, unfortunately.

Your argument is:

"Hashirama didn't use large scale Mokuton at this time so he can't."

 

[Benjamin King]

You did prove nothing, unfortunately.

Your argument is:

"Hashirama didn't use large scale Mokuton at this time so he can't."

I'm still waiting for a proof that he can.

 

[KingHashirama]

So you showed me a scan of wood dragon absorbing chakra... and claimed it was the samething that happened to Madara with the rods? wtf.. rofl.

 

[Demonic.]

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Those fodder clones were weak.

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It barely had an effect on his reserves. I've given enough proof to show why. Now, you're the one who needs to prove to me, you and Strict. I'll be waiting

Proof is right under your nose, but if you need me to break it down for you fine...

Hashirama was using the four red yang formation which is extremely chakra exhausting, as shown when it limited BM Minato and Tobirama

---Despite this Hashirama still managed to drop Gate of the Great God and make 6 Mokuton clones

This proves Hashirama can still use Gate of the Great God with large scale mokuton (Since he already used Gate of the Great God with an extremely chakra exhausting barrier).

----your claim that it shouldn't matter because Hashirama has Kurama sized chakra is irrelevant, even BM Minato was limited and he has Kurama chakra too.

So i suggest you drop your argument, I've provided you with facts

 

[Strict]

I'm still waiting for a proof that he can.

You don't understand, that there is no proof that the gates are restraining Hashirama's ability to use large scale Mokuton.
Him not using, doesn't mean he can't.

Hashirama has no need to always demonstrate large scale Mokuton.
He tamed Juubi like a pet, there was no need for large scale Mokuton.
And he tamed Madara like a pet with those gates, as such, large scale Mokuton also wasn't needed.

Your whole argumentation makes no sense, you did prove nothing.

Do you understand that? Do you understand what a proof is? Do you have enough mind to understand, that, what you told us, is no proof that Hashirama can't do that?

When large scale Mokuton is not needed, he is not using it. And against the Juubi and Madara, it wasn't needed because both were tamed like a pet.

Such a clown. Are we really gonna waste our time to explain this to Benjamin/Dimitri/MadaraRules over and over again?

As far as I'm concerned, I'm out, I won't waste any more time for such simple things.

 

[Benjamin King]

I learned a long time not to argue with wood riders. So this will be my last reply:

@KingHashirama, the Wood Dragon absorbed Naruto's BM. And after getting absorbed, Naruto created a clone, that clone boosted Kakashi's reserves, and Naruto still manifested a BM and created a massive TBB alongside Bee. Those are all Chakra taxing feats. If Hashirama who has comparable reserves to Kurama, is implied to use large-scale Mokuton techniques while maintaining God Gates, he would have used them in the war. Yet he didn't, which shows he can't.

@An Awesome Senju, you're still repeating the same refuted argument. I don't care how much Chakra the barrier taxes, Hashirama's reserves doesn't restrict him. And wrong, it didn't limit BM Minato as I have showed.

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End of discussion, ladies.

 

[Strict]

I learned a long time not to argue with wood riders. So this will be my last reply:

Good one, after I first decided to leave the debate.

 

[Benjamin King]

Good one, after I first decided to leave the debate.

Debate? This is a child-play to me.

 

[Strict]

Debate? This is a child-play to me.

Ok.

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[Demonic.]

I learned a long time not to argue with wood riders. .

That's amusing coming from you MadaraRules Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

@KingHashirama, the Wood Dragon absorbed Naruto's BM. And after getting absorbed, Naruto created a clone, that clone boosted Kakashi's reserves, and Naruto still manifested a BM and created a massive TBB alongside Bee. Those are all Chakra taxing feats. If Hashirama who has comparable reserves to Kurama, is implied to use large-scale Mokuton techniques while maintaining God Gates, he would have used them in the war. Yet he didn't, which shows he can't.

1. Naruto still had plenty of chakra left.. Hashirama had already used most of his in hte Edo Madara fight and of course the shinju absorbing the chakra also.

2. How is being exhausted and then not being able to mold any chakra = having plenty of chakra but its being absorbed?


3. "he would've used large scale mokuton"... well when could he have? do you not even recall wha thappened in the manga?

- He uses the barrier with the hokage, and then adds on the gates (while the other hokage are struggling with maaking clones), and then makes clones who go help the alliance take on those huge ass juubi clones. And then he makes more clones to go deal with edo madara... (all of this is while he is doing the gates and had the juubi restrained.

- Obito becomes the jinchuriki and destroys the gates, while the Hokage still have the barrier up

- Obito destroys the barrier, allowing the Hokage to freely move and fight.

- Hashirama then goes to fight Edo Madara. While everyone else deals with Obito

^^^^^^^ So in all of that tell me where Hashirama was just standing around while the juubi was held down and could've done hand seals for the buddha and etc? do let me know.

 

[Unorthodox]

drproof as i stated your a clown trying to compare anyform of Gaara to Hashirama its a neg

 

[Zee U]

Hashirama barely needs Sage Mode.

Deva path is countered by blocking the AOE of the jutsus and Nagato's LOS, alternatively Hashirama can use Mokuton spikes if pulled and Mokuton Hotei to surprise Nagato from underground. Ashura Path is barely a factor when a V2 Susanoo neutralized it and Hashirama possess way more powerful constructs (Mokuryu and Mokujin). He can redirect the chakra beams with Jukai Koutan like he intended to do with the Juubidamas, alternatively he can sent them back with Hotei or Mokujin. FTW can pressure Nagato to fly but let Hashirama to stay there, effectively let him to invent a plan after analysing Nagato's abilities. Or enter SM if he wants to go ham. Chibaku Tensei is countered by Mokujin and Mokuryu, or Chojo Kebutsu which is a way stronger attack than a Yasaka Magatama, a FRS and a small TBB. Preta Path is the worst thing to do here since Hashirama can just merge with mayfly and let Nagato absorb his SM by jumping out of absorbed Mokutons, rendering the tech null. Gedo Mazo is pinned down by Myoujinmon or Shinsuusenju sends him to the orbit.

 

[Conspirator.]

Base hashirama would beat Nagato mid diff,

-Bringer of darkness can be used to blind Nagato.
-He then follows it up with Flower tree world and jukai kouten which would put Nagato to sleep.(especially since there's no evidence he can see through BOD)
-Wood golem essentially played ping pong with a bijuudama from the kyubbi and clashed with PS. It outright overpowers CT(if by some miracle Nagato is not dead) and outright overpowers him.

 

[ARGUS]

Hashirama spanks him,
this shouldnt be debated especially when hashi has SM

 

[Demonic.]

Debate? This is a child-play to me.

No wonder MadaraRules/Dimitri was arguing for Nagato, look at this bastards Nagato avatar and sig....i already screenshot it...Lol

 

[blazekev90]

Nagato extremely high difficulty