Hashirama (the one at VOTE) vs Nagato ( "prime" the fanfiction one)

[KingHashirama]

Distance: 100m

Restrictions : none

Intel: Both have intel on each other's abilities


Location : Hidden Rain, Nagato's hometurf.



Who wins? If you want to debate i'll be debating for Hashirama.

 

[DrProof]

Doesn't Chibaku Tensei tear up all of Hashirama's Large-Scale Wood Release techniques.

 

[KingHashirama]

Doesn't Chibaku Tensei tear up all of Hashirama's Large-Scale Wood Release techniques.

Quite the opposite. The human golem statue by itself destroys chibaku tensei.

 

[Demonic.]

Nagato gets raped.

--SS destroys him. It is Overkill. It smacks CT right back at Nagato like a volleyball.

---Nagato doesn't even have a counter for wood golem which stalemated PS

---Hashirama being a long range fighter can easily take advantage on Nagato's 5 second cool down time, especially with intel, with basic Mokuton....

All this is irrelevant since SS would still bypass the cool down time and destroy Nagato anyway

 

[Strict]

Even if you restrict Sage Mode, Nagato couldn't push Hashirama to high diff.

 

[DrProof]

Quite the opposite. The human golem statue by itself destroys chibaku tensei.

Why would you say that? Chibaku Tensei gathers the Earth, and crumbles it bringing it to the epicenter that forms Chibaku Tensei.

 

[Strict]

Why would you say that? Chibaku Tensei gathers the Earth, and crumbles it bringing it to the epicenter that forms Chibaku Tensei.

FloriGlori sums it up.

How is Chibaku Tensei even an argument, considering Hashirama has three ways to easily get rid of it?

• As Strict already mentioned, simply melting with the environment using his unique genes. That not only works with trees, but just as well with rocks [
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  ]. Chibaku Tensei is deadly because it grinds the victim between the rubble it gathers; hidden within those rocks, however, Hashirama is perfectly shielded.

• Using Houbi no Jutsu to guard himself. The technique consists of multiple layers [
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  ], of which even the first one easily endured the sheer pressure and raw force of Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama [
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  ]. The pressure of those rocks isn't even remotely crushing Hashirama's defense. While under the shield he also has plenty of time to mold Senchakra, in case it's unrestricted, enforcing Houbi no Jutsu even further. He then waits for Nagato to tire or uses one of the other two methods to escape the sphere.

• He creates a tendril and has it drill through the rocks like
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  , all the way down to the core. Which is then absorbed. The tendril might as well simply crush or pierce it. Mokuton demonstrated that it's strong enough to easily pierce rock even without any prior cracks. By making it grow continuously, its momentum won't even decrease.

 

[KingHashirama]

Why would you say that? Chibaku Tensei gathers the Earth, and crumbles it bringing it to the epicenter that forms Chibaku Tensei.

I wonder what happened with Itachi and killer B and Naruto. All it requires is suffieiant amount of force to destroy the black orb.. thats pretty much it. and chibaku tensei goes bye bye.

 

[DrProof]

FloriGlori sums it up.

But in this case I'm not targeting Hashirama, just his Jutsu in general ya know? Point #1 (Which I don't understand if you could elaborate for me please XD), and point #2 (which talks about shielding himself ?) are irrelevant.

The third point is a pretty nice one, but then again Chibaku Tensei's only job here is to gather up Hashirama's attacks (Budda, and just wood lying around), and focus them to that very epicenter, more-so a distraction, or battlefield clearance if anything. Hashirama focusing on Chibaku Tensei wouldn't be much of a smart choice in my opinion.

@KingHashirama, eh Idk if Hashirama's Wood (Lol.) would = Itachi + Naruto + Bee combined force. Maybe, maybe not.

 

[Eternal Sage]

SS neg diff

Restrict sm and hashi still wins high diff

 

[KingHashirama]

SS neg diff

Restrict sm and hashi still wins high diff

Nagato has nothing on the level of Madara's PS+ Kurama combo to bring out his SM. So even with base it should be at mid diff.

 

[KingHashirama]

@KingHashirama, eh Idk if Hashirama's Wood (Lol.) would = Itachi + Naruto + Bee combined force. Maybe, maybe not.

It was colliding with PS's Slash. and did fine. Furthermore, he can always spam =p. Naruto and bee didn't spam.

 

[DrProof]

It was colliding with PS's Slash. and did fine. Furthermore, he can always spam =p. Naruto and bee didn't spam.

Yeah that's possible. Plus the fact that Mokuton absorbs chakra I think, Would take out the core. But I believe CT would take out Buddha, and Large-Scale Wood Release before it gets taken out. What about if Nagato is aerial?

 

[Demonic.]

Yeah that's possible. Plus the fact that Mokuton absorbs chakra I think, Would take out the core. But I believe CT would take out Buddha, and Large-Scale Wood Release before it gets taken out. What about if Nagato is aerial?

CT couldn't even handle 50% Kurama, and it practically killed Nagato making that CT:

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how would it handle this, which completely dwarfs 100% Kurama?

 

[KingHashirama]

Yeah that's possible. Plus the fact that Mokuton absorbs chakra I think, Would take out the core. But I believe CT would take out Buddha, and Large-Scale Wood Release before it gets taken out. What about if Nagato is aerial?

CT is only about the size of one of buddha's bigger arms.

Nagato is areal takes a toll on his chakra from what i have seen, and only has done areal because of the shinra tensei.

VV Just look at that, Kurama is smaller than the 2 "main arms". And the 2 main arms are smaller than the ones on the side. So CT is gonna be like a baseball.

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[DrProof]

CT couldn't even handle 50% Kurama, and it practically killed Nagato making that CT:

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how would it handle this?

Kurama is a beast, not a statue made of wood. Wood is easier to break than a living being (in this case animal). Like I stated earlier, CT would only be used to break the Buddha Statue, and Hashirama's Large-Scale Wood Techs.

 

[DrProof]

CT is only about the size of one of buddha's bigger arms.

Nagato is areal takes a toll on his chakra from what i have seen, and only has done areal because of the shinra tensei.

No doubt normal CT is. Remember this was a near-dying and low on chakra Nagato that made a Kyuubi Sized CT. He even said he would have to make it bigger giving us the assumption that he could have made it bigger even on his death-bed . So a Healthy Prime Fan-Fic Nagato with his Uzumaki Chakra Reserves could make something I would say on par with Buddha, but possibly close or half its size (enough to gather up pieces of the wood from Buddha).

 

[Strict]

Kurama is a beast, not a statue made of wood. Wood is easier to break than a living being

You mean a Buddha which can pummel the target with thousand almost Bijuu-sized fists?

 

[Demonic.]

No doubt normal CT is. Remember this was a near-dying and low on chakra Nagato that made a Kyuubi Sized CT. He even said he would have to make it bigger giving us the assumption that he could have made it bigger even on his death-bed . So a Healthy Prime Fan-Fic Nagato with his Uzumaki Chakra Reserves could make something I would say on par with Buddha, but possibly close or half its size (enough to gather up pieces of the wood from Buddha).

You're forgetting that the SS easily has enough firepower to destroy the core as it collided/stalemated multiple TBB'S and still stripped off Susano.

 

[DrProof]

You mean a Buddha which can pummel the target with thousand almost Bijuu-sized fists?

You're forgetting that the SS easily has enough firepower to destroy the core as it collided/stalemated multiple TBB'S and still stripped off Susano.

Yes you guys are right. But CT would be formed at a higher elevation than Buddha would at the start, slowly tearing, and pulling Buddha apart bringing it to the Core in which then it could possibly destroy.

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See like the debris would be the hands, and whatever other parts Buddha possesses breaking them apart via Gravity, and pulling them to the Epicenter.

Also look the elevation (as I was talking about earlier) is higher than Buddha, allowing the Budda to be torn by gravity, and make its way to the Epicenter.

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