Hashirama Senju vs Tobirama Senju and Minato Namikaze

[iknowwhotobiis]

although i am a hashi fan, i would have to admit team 2 wins. whoever says otherwise is lying to himself. Team 2 - high difficulty

 

[Retsu]

Hashirama wins dude get over it. All of your arguments make no sense. If Tobirama tried to drown the forrest then Hashirama would just open up a mote and make it all flow away.

Minato can not fight Hashirama in hand to hand and win. And All of his seals will become useless.
Tobirama can't summon 1000 edo's even if he did Hashirama would just open the ground up and make them all fall in a pit then activate the nativity world to stab them all and restrict their movement (just like how Kabuto did to Itachi).

Minato can not fight Hashirama with just kunai and rasengan because Hashirama can heal from both and he only needs to hit minato once. And Minato can not get away because Hashirama could send all of his clones to go and grab all of his thrown kunai and if he teleports to them then they will kill him.

And soiton attack that the 2nd can preform can be blocked by trees and 1st could just open up the ground and make it flow away. Plus Hashirama could just make 10 wood clones for both Minato and Tobirama and then its 10 v. 1 or 20 v. 2 (however you want to look at it.

Hashirama wins. Hard difficulty.

lol, you're basically creating a scenario based on what you think would happen, but Tobirama has mad Intel on, Hashi, with him being his brother and was 2nd in power to Hashirama, Minato was hailed as a once a decade ninja who A said was unsurpassable, and you're so underestimating Minato, Minato can easily end the battle if he cuts Hashi's head off, please tell me how he'd heal from that, and you don't even know any of Tobirama's jutsu's and act as though Minato would be of no help at all.

Hashirama's not a god and he died at the hands of fodder, Minato and Tobirama will win due to having their s/t techs and permanent Edo as distractions

 

[irukaumino26]

I'm a huge Hashi fan, but I can't see him winning against Team Tobirama.

First of all, Tobirama is his freakin' brother, so he would know most of his techs. They were probably the 2 strongest Senju to have ever lived. And both Tobirama and Minato have Space/Time jutsus, so that would be hard to deal with.

Hashirama would present trouble, with his Mokuton. Not to mention that means his also pretty good at earth and water techs. Plus, he can heal himself with no hand seals.

But Hashirama would eventually lose. NO CHARACTER has been shown to be able to defeat 2 kages, except EDO-MADARA. But he doesn't count since he's and Edo and he's freakin' Madara.

TEAM 2 wins. It just doesn't logically make sense. NO SHINOBI has been shown to be able to take down 2 kages. Not Minato, not Itachi, not Gaara, etc. Maybe Naruto, but he has the power of the 9-tails.

 

[NLee]

Hashirama wins dude get over it. All of your arguments make no sense. If Tobirama tried to drown the forrest then Hashirama would just open up a mote and make it all flow away.

Minato can not fight Hashirama in hand to hand and win. And All of his seals will become useless.
Tobirama can't summon 1000 edo's even if he did Hashirama would just open the ground up and make them all fall in a pit then activate the nativity world to stab them all and restrict their movement (just like how Kabuto did to Itachi).

Minato can not fight Hashirama with just kunai and rasengan because Hashirama can heal from both and he only needs to hit minato once. And Minato can not get away because Hashirama could send all of his clones to go and grab all of his thrown kunai and if he teleports to them then they will kill him.

And soiton attack that the 2nd can preform can be blocked by trees and 1st could just open up the ground and make it flow away. Plus Hashirama could just make 10 wood clones for both Minato and Tobirama and then its 10 v. 1 or 20 v. 2 (however you want to look at it.

Hashirama wins. Hard difficulty.

It's clear that the only reason you're promoting Hashirama so much is because you fail to understand the other factors that would influence this battle.

Brute force and number of techniques are meaningless against someone who's near your strength. When it's against someone so equal to you it boils down to the other little things.

It's been a common trend in the manga that brothers are near in strength. Madara and Izuna were almost identical in power:

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Even Itachi and Sasuke aren't too far off in terms of being geniuses. That said, even if Hashirama was the strongest ninja of his time it doesn't change the fact that Tobirama would have been right next to him just a hair's breath apart in strength.

If the brothers Madara/Izuna and Hashirama/Tobirama aren't a clear parallel, then I don't know what is. It's not about what's strictly in or not in the manga. There's a point when that makes you naive. It's about being able to look beneath the surface and infer what Kishi was trying to show. That if Madara and his brother were neck-to-neck equals with Madara perhaps just barely stronger, then the same is likely to have been true for Hashirama and Tobirama. There's also a reason he took on the role of 2nd Hokage while Hashirama was still young - because he was capable enough. Period.

Aside from this, you fail to address the fact that Tobirama would have complete knowledge of Hashirama's techniques. Being brothers they trained together just like Madara and Izuna did because they lived in a time of war. Tobirama knows what Hashirama can do and what to expect. You make this fight sound like it would be between two strangers who wouldn't know what's coming their way. You couldn't be more wrong.

Do you really think Tobirama would fall into Hashirama's traps so easily? Do you really think Hashirama can counter some of the most powerful Water techniques by perhaps the most powerful Water-user referenced to date just by opening up the ground and simply draining it away? Are you kidding me?

And no, Hashirama wouldn't be able to block Tobirama's Water techniques with his Mokuton so easily. Pressurized water can shear through most things in the Naruto world if it's concentrated enough. The 2nd Mizukage's Water Gun worked on this principle. Tobirama could just as well pump enough chakra into his Dragon Missile technique to achieve the same effect. Being of Senju ancestry and possessing enhanced body and life energy god knows he could do it.

You also said Minato's FTG seals are useless. Please explain. Even if Hashirama becomes aware of Minato's seal here or there, it's a fact that Minato can scatter dozens and dozens of his kunai all across the battlefield. Not to mention he can make covert marks just touching an area with his hand which wouldn't be so obvious.

Minato is a man who can travel through the fabric of space-time itself. Do you know what this means? It means that, in theory, he can travel faster than light. You do know how fast light is don't you? Well Minato can cover ground faster than that. That's how he was able to defeat an entire battalion by himself in the 3rd Ninja War:

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Aside from this, Minato also has Space-Time Barriers which can teleport attacks away. If you can't register this then there's nothing I can do to help you. That's beyond me.

Tobirama is a pure-blood Senju just like his brother which means he also has enhanced body and life energy. He alone would provide an adequate challenge for Hashirama. Throw Minato in there and the win goes to Tobirama and Minato, albeit with difficulty.





You're so bent on making Tobirama and Minato look like losers in this battle when in truth all you're doing is going off your own bias and speculation. You say this and that but none of what you say are realistic counters for Tobirama and Minato. You make the battle scenario so simplistic to the point where, what was it again?, oh yeah, that Hashirama could "drain away Tobirama's Water". Let me ask you this: What's Hashirama going to do if Tobirama casts his Bringer of Darkness?

The fact that you think it would be this easy to deal with Senju Tobirama shows what little you know of him. On that basis alone everything you say in regards to this match-up is completely void because you obviously don't know anything about Tobirama and Minato. You make up for your lack of evidence by bad mouthing and flaming people who oppose you. Seriously, grow up kid.

 

[Owarij]

This is either severe underestimation of tobirama and minato

or severe overestimation of hashirama

Tobirama alone will give hashirama a fight for his life.. even if he ends up losing, hashirama would be greatly injured and tired...

 

[Dantee]

ROfl wtf is this?

Minato and Tobirama low-mid difficulty.

 

[Kwalker394]

although i am a hashi fan, i would have to admit team 2 wins. whoever says otherwise is lying to himself. Team 2 - high difficulty

lol, you're basically creating a scenario based on what you think would happen, but Tobirama has mad Intel on, Hashi, with him being his brother and was 2nd in power to Hashirama, Minato was hailed as a once a decade ninja who A said was unsurpassable, and you're so underestimating Minato, Minato can easily end the battle if he cuts Hashi's head off, please tell me how he'd heal from that, and you don't even know any of Tobirama's jutsu's and act as though Minato would be of no help at all.

Hashirama's not a god and he died at the hands of fodder, Minato and Tobirama will win due to having their s/t techs and permanent Edo as distractions

I'm a huge Hashi fan, but I can't see him winning against Team Tobirama.

First of all, Tobirama is his freakin' brother, so he would know most of his techs. They were probably the 2 strongest Senju to have ever lived. And both Tobirama and Minato have Space/Time jutsus, so that would be hard to deal with.

Hashirama would present trouble, with his Mokuton. Not to mention that means his also pretty good at earth and water techs. Plus, he can heal himself with no hand seals.

But Hashirama would eventually lose. NO CHARACTER has been shown to be able to defeat 2 kages, except EDO-MADARA. But he doesn't count since he's and Edo and he's freakin' Madara.

TEAM 2 wins. It just doesn't logically make sense. NO SHINOBI has been shown to be able to take down 2 kages. Not Minato, not Itachi, not Gaara, etc. Maybe Naruto, but he has the power of the 9-tails.

It's clear that the only reason you're promoting Hashirama so much is because you fail to understand the other factors that would influence this battle.

Brute force and number of techniques are meaningless against someone who's near your strength. When it's against someone so equal to you it boils down to the other little things.

It's been a common trend in the manga that brothers are near in strength. Madara and Izuna were almost identical in power:

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Even Itachi and Sasuke aren't too far off in terms of being geniuses. That said, even if Hashirama was the strongest ninja of his time it doesn't change the fact that Tobirama would have been right next to him just a hair's breath apart in strength.

If the brothers Madara/Izuna and Hashirama/Tobirama aren't a clear parallel, then I don't know what is. It's not about what's strictly in or not in the manga. There's a point when that makes you naive. It's about being able to look beneath the surface and infer what Kishi was trying to show. That if Madara and his brother were neck-to-neck equals with Madara perhaps just barely stronger, then the same is likely to have been true for Hashirama and Tobirama. There's also a reason he took on the role of 2nd Hokage while Hashirama was still young - because he was capable enough. Period.

Aside from this, you fail to address the fact that Tobirama would have complete knowledge of Hashirama's techniques. Being brothers they trained together just like Madara and Izuna did because they lived in a time of war. Tobirama knows what Hashirama can do and what to expect. You make this fight sound like it would be between two strangers who wouldn't know what's coming their way. You couldn't be more wrong.

Do you really think Tobirama would fall into Hashirama's traps so easily? Do you really think Hashirama can counter some of the most powerful Water techniques by perhaps the most powerful Water-user referenced to date just by opening up the ground and simply draining it away? Are you kidding me?

And no, Hashirama wouldn't be able to block Tobirama's Water techniques with his Mokuton so easily. Pressurized water can shear through most things in the Naruto world if it's concentrated enough. The 2nd Mizukage's Water Gun worked on this principle. Tobirama could just as well pump enough chakra into his Dragon Missile technique to achieve the same effect. Being of Senju ancestry and possessing enhanced body and life energy god knows he could do it.

You also said Minato's FTG seals are useless. Please explain. Even if Hashirama becomes aware of Minato's seal here or there, it's a fact that Minato can scatter dozens and dozens of his kunai all across the battlefield. Not to mention he can make covert marks just touching an area with his hand which wouldn't be so obvious.

Minato is a man who can travel through the fabric of space-time itself. Do you know what this means? It means that, in theory, he can travel faster than light. You do know how fast light is don't you? Well Minato can cover ground faster than that. That's how he was able to defeat an entire battalion by himself in the 3rd Ninja War:

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Aside from this, Minato also has Space-Time Barriers which can teleport attacks away. If you can't register this then there's nothing I can do to help you. That's beyond me.

Tobirama is a pure-blood Senju just like his brother which means he also has enhanced body and life energy. He alone would provide an adequate challenge for Hashirama. Throw Minato in there and the win goes to Tobirama and Minato, albeit with difficulty.





You're so bent on making Tobirama and Minato look like losers in this battle when in truth all you're doing is going off your own bias and speculation. You say this and that but none of what you say are realistic counters for Tobirama and Minato. You make the battle scenario so simplistic to the point where, what was it again?, oh yeah, that Hashirama could "drain away Tobirama's Water". Let me ask you this: What's Hashirama going to do if Tobirama casts his Bringer of Darkness?

The fact that you think it would be this easy to deal with Senju Tobirama shows what little you know of him. On that basis alone everything you say in regards to this match-up is completely void because you obviously don't know anything about Tobirama and Minato.

This is either severe underestimation of tobirama and minato

or severe overestimation of hashirama

Tobirama alone will give hashirama a fight for his life.. even if he ends up losing, hashirama would be greatly injured and tired...

ROfl wtf is this?

Minato and Tobirama low-mid difficulty.

Thank you all for seeing this while SOME people fail to understand/Want to admit their wrong. I am glad to see not everyone is as greedy as the person above denying the fact that Hashirama will lose to the 2nd and 4th. Thank you all for posing on this thread and hope to see you on other threads around base You all gave the same answer but in different was and few even went into detail about it and called out the guy above out on his OPINIONS of what might happen instead of facts. Again thank you for proving the point again and hope to see you again on the base +rep

 

[huzaifa555]

Tobimara sux.

 

[Kwalker394]

Tobimara sux.

Say's you

 

[TobisPawn]

Team 2.

 

[NLee]

Tobimara sux.

If you're gonna hate on someone at least have the competence to spell their name right

 

[narutownsyouall]

It's clear that the only reason you're promoting Hashirama so much is because you fail to understand the other factors that would influence this battle.

Brute force and number of techniques are meaningless against someone who's near your strength. When it's against someone so equal to you it boils down to the other little things.

It's been a common trend in the manga that brothers are near in strength. Madara and Izuna were almost identical in power:

You must be registered for see links

Even Itachi and Sasuke aren't too far off in terms of being geniuses. That said, even if Hashirama was the strongest ninja of his time it doesn't change the fact that Tobirama would have been right next to him just a hair's breath apart in strength.

If the brothers Madara/Izuna and Hashirama/Tobirama aren't a clear parallel, then I don't know what is. It's not about what's strictly in or not in the manga. There's a point when that makes you naive. It's about being able to look beneath the surface and infer what Kishi was trying to show. That if Madara and his brother were neck-to-neck equals with Madara perhaps just barely stronger, then the same is likely to have been true for Hashirama and Tobirama. There's also a reason he took on the role of 2nd Hokage while Hashirama was still young - because he was capable enough. Period.

Aside from this, you fail to address the fact that Tobirama would have complete knowledge of Hashirama's techniques. Being brothers they trained together just like Madara and Izuna did because they lived in a time of war. Tobirama knows what Hashirama can do and what to expect. You make this fight sound like it would be between two strangers who wouldn't know what's coming their way. You couldn't be more wrong.

Do you really think Tobirama would fall into Hashirama's traps so easily? Do you really think Hashirama can counter some of the most powerful Water techniques by perhaps the most powerful Water-user referenced to date just by opening up the ground and simply draining it away? Are you kidding me?

And no, Hashirama wouldn't be able to block Tobirama's Water techniques with his Mokuton so easily. Pressurized water can shear through most things in the Naruto world if it's concentrated enough. The 2nd Mizukage's Water Gun worked on this principle. Tobirama could just as well pump enough chakra into his Dragon Missile technique to achieve the same effect. Being of Senju ancestry and possessing enhanced body and life energy god knows he could do it.

You also said Minato's FTG seals are useless. Please explain. Even if Hashirama becomes aware of Minato's seal here or there, it's a fact that Minato can scatter dozens and dozens of his kunai all across the battlefield. Not to mention he can make covert marks just touching an area with his hand which wouldn't be so obvious.

Minato is a man who can travel through the fabric of space-time itself. Do you know what this means? It means that, in theory, he can travel faster than light. You do know how fast light is don't you? Well Minato can cover ground faster than that. That's how he was able to defeat an entire battalion by himself in the 3rd Ninja War:

You must be registered for see links

Aside from this, Minato also has Space-Time Barriers which can teleport attacks away. If you can't register this then there's nothing I can do to help you. That's beyond me.

Tobirama is a pure-blood Senju just like his brother which means he also has enhanced body and life energy. He alone would provide an adequate challenge for Hashirama. Throw Minato in there and the win goes to Tobirama and Minato, albeit with difficulty.





You're so bent on making Tobirama and Minato look like losers in this battle when in truth all you're doing is going off your own bias and speculation. You say this and that but none of what you say are realistic counters for Tobirama and Minato. You make the battle scenario so simplistic to the point where, what was it again?, oh yeah, that Hashirama could "drain away Tobirama's Water". Let me ask you this: What's Hashirama going to do if Tobirama casts his Bringer of Darkness?

The fact that you think it would be this easy to deal with Senju Tobirama shows what little you know of him. On that basis alone everything you say in regards to this match-up is completely void because you obviously don't know anything about Tobirama and Minato. You make up for your lack of evidence by bad mouthing and flaming people who oppose you. Seriously, grow up kid.

So your completely denying that Hashirama has full intel on his brother except maybe edo.

And I countered every point you guys came up with. Or did you not read the thread at all?

When I countered all of the arguments that one guy(i forgot his name) started to come up with stuff. He said that Tobirama would have things that he didnt have before he died.

He said that he would drown the forest. And If he tried Hashirama could make a mote. How Are either Minato or Tobirama going to deal with the flower world?

Seriously I would like to know. Another thing I would like to know is how Minato;s barrier's are going to help him?
Secondly How is he going to stay awake? I mean you guys say that Tobirama is going to drown the forrest but the size of the forest is bigger than any one that has been seen before.
How are his seals going to help him when Hashirama grows trees over them? And how is Minato and Tobirama going to deal with 5 or 10 Hashirama which from what we have seen from Madara are way OP and are indistinguishable unless you have EMS? And If minato gets close enough, how is he going to hit Hashirama when Hashirama has reach and tons of trees along with Nativity world? Its partialy the fact that instead of this being a 2 v. 1 its a 2 v. 10 Hashirama can make clones which are Kage level.

Minato may be able to teleport but that is just a movement not an attack. when was the last time you saw a kage level shinobi be killed by kunai? and again Hashirama can heal from Rasengan. They may be powerful but you really do forget that every one of these characters are incomplete and out of all of them Hashirama has the best abilities.

And again Wood>Soiton Hashirama can block fire jutsu so I think that him blocking some soiton is not to far fetched.

And obviously you are a little bit of a newbie because Hashirama has Bringer of darkness. Anime is non-cannon and the fact that they showed him doing it is considered wrong by anybody on the base. And another thing is that I like all the Hokage even if people overate them. And again for calling me a child who knows nothing about Either Minato and Tobirama I know a lot more about them than you considering that you didn't know about the whole bringer of darkness misconception. And again every one of them is incomplete so everybody here is half fact and half speculation. I may have not seen much of Hashirama but how much of Tobirama have you seen to make your arguments? So stop being a jerk and actually read with an open mind and counter me instead of just saying that im a child and insulting me for making points when all you did was list what they can do and not put it into battle.

 

[Kwalker394]

So your completely denying that Hashirama has full intel on his brother except maybe edo.

And I countered every point you guys came up with. Or did you not read the thread at all?

When I countered all of the arguments that one guy(i forgot his name) started to come up with stuff. He said that Tobirama would have things that he didnt have before he died.

He said that he would drown the forest. And If he tried Hashirama could make a mote. How Are either Minato or Tobirama going to deal with the flower world?

Seriously I would like to know. Another thing I would like to know is how Minato;s barrier's are going to help him?
Secondly How is he going to stay awake? I mean you guys say that Tobirama is going to drown the forrest but the size of the forest is bigger than any one that has been seen before.
How are his seals going to help him when Hashirama grows trees over them? And how is Minato and Tobirama going to deal with 5 or 10 Hashirama which from what we have seen from Madara are way OP and are indistinguishable unless you have EMS? And If minato gets close enough, how is he going to hit Hashirama when Hashirama has reach and tons of trees along with Nativity world? Its partialy the fact that instead of this being a 2 v. 1 its a 2 v. 10 Hashirama can make clones which are Kage level.

Minato may be able to teleport but that is just a movement not an attack. when was the last time you saw a kage level shinobi be killed by kunai? and again Hashirama can heal from Rasengan. They may be powerful but you really do forget that every one of these characters are incomplete and out of all of them Hashirama has the best abilities.

And again Wood>Soiton Hashirama can block fire jutsu so I think that him blocking some soiton is not to far fetched.

And obviously you are a little bit of a newbie because Hashirama has Bringer of darkness. Anime is non-cannon and the fact that they showed him doing it is considered wrong by anybody on the base. And another thing is that I like all the Hokage even if people overate them. And again for calling me a child who knows nothing about Either Minato and Tobirama I know a lot more about them than you considering that you didn't know about the whole bringer of darkness misconception. And again every one of them is incomplete so everybody here is half fact and half speculation. I may have not seen much of Hashirama but how much of Tobirama have you seen to make your arguments? So stop being a jerk and actually read with an open mind and counter me instead of just saying that im a child and insulting me for making points when all you did was list what they can do and not put it into battle.

"And obviously you are a little bit of a newbie because Hashirama has Bringer of darkness." They both have it moron so apparently your a newbie

Why are you still here anyways? Didnt you rage quit like a lil kid two days ago because all of your points got proven wrong? :sy:

"that one guy(i forgot his name)" Hmmmm thats ok I dont want punks like you remembering my name in the first place. I dont want people thinking were friends

Dude again your bringing up the SAME exact points as you did a few days ago that were proven wrong while we PROVED ours right. Face it you lost, your no more, good bye. dont let the @$$ kicker hit you on the way out :flaw: We proved our points with facts and evidence while you provided none for your opinions so your arguments are invalid and are none debatable because of your lack of knowledge, evidence, PROOF, or anything else. All your relying on is YOUR OPINION and when WE PROVE it to you, you deny it so I'm not gonna waste my time on you when you are obviously slow :shrug:

Sorry, Bye dont have a nice day Idc because you lost. GET OVER IT. Good bye xd lol

 

[narutownsyouall]

"And obviously you are a little bit of a newbie because Hashirama has Bringer of darkness." They both have it moron so apparently your a newbie

Why are you still here anyways? Didnt you rage quit like a lil kid two days ago because all of your points got proven wrong? :sy:

"that one guy(i forgot his name)" Hmmmm thats ok I dont want punks like you remembering my name in the first place. I dont want people thinking were friends

Dude again your bringing up the SAME exact points as you did a few days ago that were proven wrong while we PROVED ours right. Face it you lost, your no more, good bye. dont let the @$$ kicker hit you on the way out :flaw: We proved our points with facts and evidence while you provided none for your opinions so your arguments are invalid and are none debatable because of your lack of knowledge, evidence, PROOF, or anything else. All your relying on is YOUR OPINION and when WE PROVE it to you, you deny it so I'm not gonna waste my time on you when you are obviously slow :shrug:

Sorry, Bye dont have a nice day Idc because you lost. GET OVER IT. Good bye xd lol

They both do not have it.

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only Hashirama has shown it in the manga and the anime is considered non-cannon due to the fact that it differs from the manga which is the only usable source material.

I'm not a punk I'm a guy who has actually proven you wrong and now your the one throwing a tantrum and your insulting me because you can't even counter any of my points.

And you have not shown any facts that are viable considering the only link you made to the Manga was of 13 year old Garra who is not even a part of this fight.

 

[Cerox0]

Team 2. It's over kill. Tobimaru has Edo, space time ninjutsu and His water style is equal to Hashi's wood style. Then 4th hokage spamming FTG and Rasengans everywhere Lolololol

 

[narutownsyouall]

Team 2. It's over kill. Tobimaru has Edo, space time ninjutsu and His water style is equal to Hashi's wood style. Then 4th hokage spamming FTG and Rasengans everywhere Lolololol

Why do you guys keep saying that?

do you not get that just naming abilities does not make them win?

If they were to face take in mind what they are up against.

The entire land is Hashirama's, Flower world, Nativity, Kage level clones, Weapons, instant healing, and Bringer of darkness.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

dead demon seal and its over for team 1. tobirama wins

Tobirama Senju was the best Suiton user in Konoha, created Edo Tensei and had a Space/Time technique, Minato Namikaze has FTG, created Rasengan and had Uzumaki sealing techniques

what? tobirama has never shown edo tensei or any s/t ninjutsu

When it was say that Tobirama was the best suiton user?
What can you tell me about his space/time Jutsu, how does it works?
On which level Tobiramas Edo Tensei was? Was it nearly on Orochimarus level, who improved this technique? What Ninja he could summon in this case?


We know nothing about Tobirama, so why people keep debates about him in versus threads?

QFT

Tobirama was Hashirama's younger brother, do you think he was too far behind him in terms of power?

we have no way of knowing

usually brothers are nearly equals in power, look at Madara and Izuna for example, or Itachi and Sasuke, all are pretty much equals

that depends on your perspective on the whole itachi vs sauske thing

besides he was the second Hokage after all.

yeah and 4th kazekage was the kazekage. not every kage must be omg mega strong. didnt tobirama lose horribly to kin and gin?

If Hashirama create the flower-tree-world, he will not only crush both probably but change the battlefield to his advantage

he tried that vs hiruzen and it didnt work

Against the polen they don't have a protection too

are you saying tobirama wouldnt know his brothers jutsu?

But Hashirama was considered the best ninja of his time

considered being the key word. who knows how many ninjas hid in the shadows with more power than hashi ever had?

really hope it comes out that Tobirama was actually stronger than Hashirama and is the strongest kage ever. So6p > Tobirama > Hashirima

lol you might as well just say danzo was. hiruzens status as strongest hokage has not changed.

Hashirama would win.

Tobirama was the weaker of the two.

proof please

And all he has is one release and wood>water.

lol all he has? its all hes shown but not all he HAS

What is minato going to do?

finger sensing, rasengan, gamabunta summoning, space time barrier, and his kunais were so strong that they cut through bees tentacle

Hashirama's healing pretty much counters that

what healing? when did he use it? how does it work?

Hashirama controls the whole battlefield. Can either minato or tobirama do that?

he has to sumon a forest first and who knows how long that will take in a fight with people who can teleport?

Now take in mind that Hashirama will have created the Flower worldwhich means that Minato can not breathe or else he is out cold.

he can breath, just not where the pollens emanating. if its everywhere then hashirama would jsut knock himself out

And another thing is that how is Tobirama going to deal with the flower world?

blow away the pollen with a water dragon bullet

Show me when Tobirama has done that and ill believe you

show me hashirama making and controlling a huge forest

And even if he does get it on Hashirama could just make it come off by pushing the affected area away and make a wood clone.

its a seal. he cant get rid of it any easier than naruto can get rid of his

we have no clue who he will summon but they will not be nearly as powerful as Hashirama and not enough to make a difference. Plus Hashirama could just restrict their movement and its over for the edo's.

what if he cant? it will end up being several vs one after all

How is Minato going to get past the flower world again? He can't

if the flower world is everywhere then hashirama will just breath it in himself wont he?

How is Minato going to find Hashirama when he can not distinguish Hashirama from his clones?

how is hashirama gonna catch the yellow flash?

What is Minato going to do when he gets to Hashirama? Rasengan can be healed from and Any kunai attack will not kill him

we dont know the extent of his healing abilities. even kabuto will die from a strong enough rasengan. gamabunta will crush anything thats below him once summoned. and his knife is huge. how will hashirama stop that? minatos kunais can chop hashiramas head off.

And tell me who those 1000 edo summons are.

tell me hashirama's speed and knowledge

And BTW where is he getting all this chakra? And where is he getting all these bodies? And where is he getting the DNA from?

i can ask questions from hashirama as well. we know as much about him as tobirama

Thats Garra not Tobirama.

you saying a child gaaras stronger than tobirama a hokage?

"And not even Kisame who has chakra on the level of a TB could only form this

when was that established as his limit?

So your saying that i can build a mountain out of water? Becasue Even if Tobirama makes an ocean it will disperse and just flow away.

zabuza made a huge waterfall, and kisame made a lake sized water dome that did not disperse.

Flower world is bigger than any Water prison the second can make

how do you know?

And Hashirama is a soiton user too. He would make use of it and kill Minato while he is in there considering that Minato would be drowning.

its minato. he wont be caught by a mere suiton. he warps it away with s/t barrier.

none the less they are no match and can be restricted by mokuton.

how do you know? maybe they are like enma and can smash their way out

The sword of thunder is non-canon but even if it was there it is not going to help him all that much.

a raiton enhanced sword cuts trhough virtually anything

Hashirama's healing keeps him from getting one shoted by rasengan, kunai attacks are useless because Hashirama is a master at weaponry and sword>kunai.

id love to see proof of this. oh wait it doesnt exist

He can make the Flower world which knocks out Kage level opponents

space time barrier gets rid of flower tree world. and if its pollen then how can hashi stop himself from being knocked out

And Hashirama has Bringer of darkness which he can use to take out Minato easily.

minato is way too fast for any genjutsu to hit him. plus he can probably kai out of it.

If Tobirama tried to drown the forrest then Hashirama would just open up a mote and make it all flow away.

it doesnt work like that. his water is controlled by chakra. it wont move unless tobirama wants it to

Minato can not fight Hashirama in hand to hand and win

his kunais were slicing through bees tentacle. and his rasengan can put a hole in hashiramas chest cavity.

Hashirama would just open the ground up and make them all fall in a pit

what? no he cant

Minato can not fight Hashirama with just kunai and rasengan

and he wouldnt. he has frog summons and st barrier and seals

Minato can not fight Hashirama with just kunai and rasengan

show me hashirama healing a sliced throat or caved in chest

And soiton attack that the 2nd can preform can be blocked by trees

suiton is way stronger than wood when hardened. water prisons pressure was like steel

Plus Hashirama could just make 10 wood clones for both Minato and Tobirama and then its 10 v. 1 or 20 v. 2 (

clones divvy up chakra and if your not naruto or an edo then its just wasting chakra

NO CHARACTER has been shown to be able to defeat 2 kage levels

hiruzen and nagato say hi. also oro killed two kages but not at the same time

I mean you guys say that Tobirama is going to drown the forrest but the size of the forest is bigger than any one that has been seen before.

the size of MADARAS forest. madara =/= hashirama

Secondly How is he going to stay awake?

same way onoki did

And how is Minato and Tobirama going to deal with 5 or 10 Hashirama which from what we have seen from Madara are way OP

key word being madara. madara is the one who can afford to make so many as he can afford to waste chakra. hashirama cant

And If minato gets close enough, how is he going to hit Hashirama when Hashirama has reach and tons of trees along with Nativity world?

same deal with tobirama. how can trees hit tobirama protecting himslef with a pressurized mini lake?

Minato may be able to teleport but that is just a movement not an attack. when was the last time you saw a kage level shinobi be killed by kunai?

didnt explosive tags blow up nagatos legs? didnt kunais stop nagatos rinnegan vision?

Hashirama can heal from Rasengan.

how?

Hashirama can block fire jutsu

and?

 

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dead demon seal and its over for team 1. tobirama wins
what? tobirama has never shown edo tensei or any s/t ninjutsu

QFT

we have no way of knowing

that depends on your perspective on the whole itachi vs sauske thing

yeah and 4th kazekage was the kazekage. not every kage must be omg mega strong. didnt tobirama lose horribly to kin and gin?

he tried that vs hiruzen and it didnt work

are you saying tobirama wouldnt know his brothers jutsu?

considered being the key word. who knows how many ninjas hid in the shadows with more power than hashi ever had?

lol you might as well just say danzo was. hiruzens status as strongest hokage has not changed.

proof please

lol all he has? its all hes shown but not all he HAS

finger sensing, rasengan, gamabunta summoning, space time barrier, and his kunais were so strong that they cut through bees tentacle

what healing? when did he use it? how does it work?

he has to sumon a forest first and who knows how long that will take in a fight with people who can teleport?

he can breath, just not where the pollens emanating. if its everywhere then hashirama would jsut knock himself out

blow away the pollen with a water dragon bullet


show me hashirama making and controlling a huge forest

its a seal. he cant get rid of it any easier than naruto can get rid of his

what if he cant? it will end up being several vs one after all

if the flower world is everywhere then hashirama will just breath it in himself wont he?

how is hashirama gonna catch the yellow flash?

we dont know the extent of his healing abilities. even kabuto will die from a strong enough rasengan. gamabunta will crush anything thats below him once summoned. and his knife is huge. how will hashirama stop that? minatos kunais can chop hashiramas head off.

tell me hashirama's speed and knowledge

i can ask questions from hashirama as well. we know as much about him as tobirama

you saying a child gaaras stronger than tobirama a hokage?

when was that established as his limit?

zabuza made a huge waterfall, and kisame made a lake sized water dome that did not disperse.

how do you know?

its minato. he wont be caught by a mere suiton. he warps it away with s/t barrier.

how do you know? maybe they are like enma and can smash their way out

a raiton enhanced sword cuts trhough virtually anything

id love to see proof of this. oh wait it doesnt exist
space time barrier gets rid of flower tree world. and if its pollen then how can hashi stop himself from being knocked out

minato is way too fast for any genjutsu to hit him. plus he can probably kai out of it.

it doesnt work like that. his water is controlled by chakra. it wont move unless tobirama wants it to

his kunais were slicing through bees tentacle. and his rasengan can put a hole in hashiramas chest cavity.

what? no he cant

and he wouldnt. he has frog summons and st barrier and seals

show me hashirama healing a sliced throat or caved in chest

suiton is way stronger than wood when hardened. water prisons pressure was like steel

clones divvy up chakra and if your not naruto or an edo then its just wasting chakra

hiruzen and nagato say hi. also oro killed two kages but not at the same time

the size of MADARAS forest. madara =/= hashirama

same way onoki did

key word being madara. madara is the one who can afford to make so many as he can afford to waste chakra. hashirama cant

same deal with tobirama. how can trees hit tobirama protecting himslef with a pressurized mini lake?

didnt explosive tags blow up nagatos legs? didnt kunais stop nagatos rinnegan vision?

how?

and?

Hashirama was said to be strongest of his time. You can not argue that.

Minato can not handle Hashirama and a clone. Gambunta can be beat by mokuton. Hashirama could summon a forest in an instant Madara summoned the flower world in an instant.

Obviously he is not affected by his own pollen since it is his technique.
Hashirama made one when he was fighting Hiruzen. Hiruzen was better than Minato and He couldn't kai realease Bringer of darkness.

Minato is not going to be able to teleport around when Hashirama just ,moves his tags and kunai so if he teleports its trapped.

Hashirama using weapons.

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And Hashirama also has earth release which allows him control over the ground. same as Yamato

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Hashirama is good at hand to hand and he can use clones and swords to fight Minato up close. Mokuton beats TB which are more powerful than any known summon And could easily restrain Gambunta or any toad summon.

Hashirama's healing abilities. Do you read at all?

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The forrst that Garra managed to submerge

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Hashirama is a Senju. Their clan is known for their mass of chakra. Nagato who is an Uzamaki and only a distant relative along with Naruto both have a huge amount of chakra and Hashirama cells grant A massive amount of chakra to people who have them (danzo) This allows him to make clones and forests and is part of the reason he is so powerful when he uses Mokuton clones they are indistinguishable and very powerful

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Hashirama's Mokuton> Madara's Mokuton

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Everything you said was just to troll everyone on this thread and sure enough i am showing you what up

 

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They both do not have it.

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only Hashirama has shown it in the manga and the anime is considered non-cannon due to the fact that it differs from the manga which is the only usable source material.

I'm not a punk I'm a guy who has actually proven you wrong and now your the one throwing a tantrum and your insulting me because you can't even counter any of my points.

And you have not shown any facts that are viable considering the only link you made to the Manga was of 13 year old Garra who is not even a part of this fight.

Did you even try to research before you posted a stupid comment like "They both do not have it. only Hashirama has shown it in the manga and the anime is considered non-cannon due to the fact that it differs from the manga which is the only usable source material."

Tobirama

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Check the Known jutsu's that they have and then post a stupid comment like yours again. The same jutsu that they both share is the Bringer of darkness jutsu. xd

"I'm not a punk I'm a guy who has actually proven you wrong and now your the one throwing a tantrum and your insulting me because you can't even counter any of my points."

What universe do you live in? You HAVNT proven me wrong on anything at all. All you've done was post your OPINION. Do you or do you not know the difference between Opinions and Facts? Facts=what really happened Opinions=What you think happened. All you've done was state your own Opinions while me and countless of other people posted FACTS.

"And you have not shown any facts that are viable considering the only link you made to the Manga was of 13 year old Garra who is not even a part of this fight."

I believe my above comment includes this one as well >_> Like I said. We've proven our FACTS all you've done was talk trash and state your OPINION. Learn the difference kid because if you dont soon then you wont make it in life. :sy:


@USSJ Future Trunks:

"what? tobirama has never shown edo tensei or any s/t ninjutsu"
If you paid attention or watched the anime then you would know that Yes he was the creator of the Edo Tensei and he also was the first to develop the S/T Ninjutsu

"he tried that vs hiruzen and it didnt work"
Exactly

"are you saying tobirama wouldnt know his brothers jutsu?"
Again Exactly

"considered being the key word. who knows how many ninjas hid in the shadows with more power than hashi ever had?"
I could see that and this may be true but for everyones knowledge outside of Narutoverse and inside he was Considered it.

"proof please"
He wont give you any proof >_> all he knows how to do is state his opinions.

"finger sensing, rasengan, gamabunta summoning, space time barrier, and his kunais were so strong that they cut through bees tentacle"
Again, again Exactly

"he has to sumon a forest first and who knows how long that will take in a fight with people who can teleport?"
Again, again....you know what I'm just gonna keep saying over and over again but Exactly

"he can breath, just not where the pollens emanating. if its everywhere then hashirama would jsut knock himself out"
Exactly

"blow away the pollen with a water dragon bullet"
By using Water Release? Thank you for stating that.

"its a seal. he cant get rid of it any easier than naruto can get rid of his"
Exactly

"how is hashirama gonna catch the yellow flash?"
Exactly. He cant catch him.

"we dont know the extent of his healing abilities. even kabuto will die from a strong enough rasengan. gamabunta will crush anything thats below him once summoned. and his knife is huge. how will hashirama stop that? minatos kunais can chop hashiramas head off."
Exactly

"zabuza made a huge waterfall, and kisame made a lake sized water dome that did not disperse."
Omg Thank you again for stating this as well

"id love to see proof of this. oh wait it doesnt exist"
Again thank you for calling him out on his opinion.

You know what Im just gonna stop there because this is too much to be commenting on to just say exactly lol

Thank you for proving YET AGAIN the known FACTS and stating them here. SOME people cant seem to get it through their none existence brain :sy:

"Everything you said was just to troll everyone on this thread and sure enough i am showing you what up"
No you didnt he owned you and all of your OPINIONS. How about stating some facts first then you can start saying this :flaw:

I'm not even going to bother to read or quote anything without a link to it since from now on if you CANT PROVE IT, DONT POST IT rule is now in affect.

I see that your finally posting some links to prove you point (about *ucking time) But your still wrong. Ok we get it he can use weapons wow big *ucking doo. Of course he controls earth you have too in order to use wood stupid so I dont know why you even posted that considering you didnt quote anything for that to go to. We already know he can heal himself That was a 13 year old gaara no Tobirama who was a Kage and was the master of Suiton. Again we already knew he can make wood clones and OFC Hashirama's wood style is better than madaras (Finally you understand how to use the > or < symbols xd) Madara only gained about 80% or so from Hashirama. :sy:

 

[narutownsyouall]

Did you even try to research before you posted a stupid comment like "They both do not have it. only Hashirama has shown it in the manga and the anime is considered non-cannon due to the fact that it differs from the manga which is the only usable source material."

Tobirama

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Check the Known jutsu's that they have and then post a stupid comment like yours again. The same jutsu that they both share is the Bringer of darkness jutsu. xd

"I'm not a punk I'm a guy who has actually proven you wrong and now your the one throwing a tantrum and your insulting me because you can't even counter any of my points."

What universe do you live in? You HAVNT proven me wrong on anything at all. All you've done was post your OPINION. Do you or do you not know the difference between Opinions and Facts? Facts=what really happened Opinions=What you think happened. All you've done was state your own Opinions while me and countless of other people posted FACTS.

"And you have not shown any facts that are viable considering the only link you made to the Manga was of 13 year old Garra who is not even a part of this fight."

I believe my above comment includes this one as well >_> Like I said. We've proven our FACTS all you've done was talk trash and state your OPINION. Learn the difference kid because if you dont soon then you wont make it in life. :sy:


@USSJ Future Trunks:

"what? tobirama has never shown edo tensei or any s/t ninjutsu"
If you paid attention or watched the anime then you would know that Yes he was the creator of the Edo Tensei and he also was the first to develop the S/T Ninjutsu

"he tried that vs hiruzen and it didnt work"
Exactly

"are you saying tobirama wouldnt know his brothers jutsu?"
Again Exactly

"considered being the key word. who knows how many ninjas hid in the shadows with more power than hashi ever had?"
I could see that and this may be true but for everyones knowledge outside of Narutoverse and inside he was Considered it.

"proof please"
He wont give you any proof >_> all he knows how to do is state his opinions.

"finger sensing, rasengan, gamabunta summoning, space time barrier, and his kunais were so strong that they cut through bees tentacle"
Again, again Exactly

"he has to sumon a forest first and who knows how long that will take in a fight with people who can teleport?"
Again, again....you know what I'm just gonna keep saying over and over again but Exactly

"he can breath, just not where the pollens emanating. if its everywhere then hashirama would jsut knock himself out"
Exactly

"blow away the pollen with a water dragon bullet"
By using Water Release? Thank you for stating that.

"its a seal. he cant get rid of it any easier than naruto can get rid of his"
Exactly

"how is hashirama gonna catch the yellow flash?"
Exactly. He cant catch him.

"we dont know the extent of his healing abilities. even kabuto will die from a strong enough rasengan. gamabunta will crush anything thats below him once summoned. and his knife is huge. how will hashirama stop that? minatos kunais can chop hashiramas head off."
Exactly

"zabuza made a huge waterfall, and kisame made a lake sized water dome that did not disperse."
Omg Thank you again for stating this as well

"id love to see proof of this. oh wait it doesnt exist"
Again thank you for calling him out on his opinion.

You know what Im just gonna stop there because this is too much to be commenting on to just say exactly lol

Thank you for proving YET AGAIN the known FACTS and stating them here. SOME people cant seem to get it through their none existence brain :sy:

"Everything you said was just to troll everyone on this thread and sure enough i am showing you what up"
No you didnt he owned you and all of your OPINIONS. How about stating some facts first then you can start saying this :flaw:

I'm not even going to bother to read or quote anything without a link to it since from now on if you CANT PROVE IT, DONT POST IT rule is now in affect.

I see that your finally posting some links to prove you point (about *ucking time) But your still wrong. Ok we get it he can use weapons wow big *ucking doo. Of course he controls earth you have too in order to use wood stupid so I dont know why you even posted that considering you didnt quote anything for that to go to. We already know he can heal himself That was a 13 year old gaara no Tobirama who was a Kage and was the master of Suiton. Again we already knew he can make wood clones and OFC Hashirama's wood style is better than madaras (Finally you understand how to use the > or < symbols xd) Madara only gained about 80% or so from Hashirama. :sy:

First of all Even in Naruto wikia it proves you wrong unless you did not see the (anime only) next to bringer of darkness. Now you are just making yourself look dumb by trying to use that.

The anime is non-cannon and not official.

The manga only shows Hashirama doing it and if you base your stuff off the manga then I do not even need argue with you considering you do not actually use the source material.

Naruto wikia and the anime are not considered official on the base by anyone who is actually intelligent.

And I literally discredited USSJ statements he was trolling just like you are.

HAHAHAHA! your such a newbie it makes me hurt laughing, I feel like I'm talking to a child. Your terrible at debating and need to stop trolling.