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I have seen a lot said about Hashirama and Hagoromos Sage Mode, not much backstory on them either.
I have not seen a lot of sound or concrete reasoning.
I also see a lot of misconception regarding Six Paths Chakra and Sage Mode in Gaiden.
Points hopefully covered:
- Naruto and Sasuke still have Six Paths Chakra
- Hagoromo and Hashirama were taught Sage Mode by the Toads.
So as a self proclaimed expert of Sage Mode let me throw out a theory.
Natural Energy - "is energy that can be collected from the atmosphere and terrain." Essentially being the counterpart of chakra "life force of the air and earth" Chakra = Spiritual, Natural Energy = Physical
This can be roughly translated as animalistic/Natural.
Humans are considered distinct from the animal kingdom and so not "pure" like other animals, meaning not animalistic/natural.
First let me start with comparison of the two known "natural users" of Natural Energy.
Let me define natural user as - Animals other than Humans.
Natural users are considered pure and incapable of "evil" actions, with this gives reasoning to why Snakes and Toads teach and utlilize Sage Mode/Natural Energy/Senjutsu because:
Toads represent Peace and Money/Prosperity, overall goodness.
Snakes represent Evil and Deceit, overall badness.
Both of these concepts are known throughout various cultures, including Taoism.
So because of this its fair to assume Snakes and Toads are the only natural users
Naruto's entire foundation is based on Balance, Good/Evil, Snake/Toad more or less basic cultural and Tao philosophy.
Sun and Moon also come from Taoism.
Gamamaru's contact with Hagoromo would hint towards him teaching Hagoromo.
Hagoromo and Hashirama did not teach themselves Sage Mode.
Chances are they would have no knowledge of it without the Snakes or Toads.
Snakes and Toads teach the very same thing, Sage Mode across all users is the same, minus Six Paths Chakra enhancements.
Naruto retains his Toad eyes in Six Paths Sage Mode because its an already set mutation from the already established Sage Mode.
This would also mean Sasuke still has Six Paths Chakra, one could argue their own chakra was replaced with Six Paths Chakra as well.
Six Paths Sage Mode is an amped up Toad(Snake) Sage Mode.
Normally, Sage Mode enhances ones abilities/chakra/power.
Whereas Six Paths Chakra enhances Sage mode.
Six Path Chakra is known to be different than regular chakra, vastly more powerful so to speak and so stronger than Natural Energy.
Hagoromo gave Naruto Six Paths Chakra and not Six Paths Sage Mode, Six Paths Sage Mode comes from the combination of Sage Mode and Six Paths Chakra.
It should be noted that if Hagoromo was taught that would mean Hashirama would have been taught as well.
Reasons for body mutations taught from eithers tutelage are unknown
It can be said Hagoromo and Hashirama's appearance do not change because of their massive power levels.
Power level overcoming Natural Energy is shown by Madara when he absorbed Hashirama's Sage Mode with ease and without change.
I have not seen a lot of sound or concrete reasoning.
I also see a lot of misconception regarding Six Paths Chakra and Sage Mode in Gaiden.
Points hopefully covered:
- Naruto and Sasuke still have Six Paths Chakra
- Hagoromo and Hashirama were taught Sage Mode by the Toads.
Not too long, I like to keep things short and sweet for the bitter.
I hope this provides a better understanding of Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode and the origins of Hagoromo's and Hashirama's Sage Mode.
I hope this provides a better understanding of Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode and the origins of Hagoromo's and Hashirama's Sage Mode.
So as a self proclaimed expert of Sage Mode let me throw out a theory.
Natural Energy - "is energy that can be collected from the atmosphere and terrain." Essentially being the counterpart of chakra "life force of the air and earth" Chakra = Spiritual, Natural Energy = Physical
This can be roughly translated as animalistic/Natural.
Humans are considered distinct from the animal kingdom and so not "pure" like other animals, meaning not animalistic/natural.
Toads and Snakes
First let me start with comparison of the two known "natural users" of Natural Energy.
Let me define natural user as - Animals other than Humans.
Natural users are considered pure and incapable of "evil" actions, with this gives reasoning to why Snakes and Toads teach and utlilize Sage Mode/Natural Energy/Senjutsu because:
Toads represent Peace and Money/Prosperity, overall goodness.
Snakes represent Evil and Deceit, overall badness.
Both of these concepts are known throughout various cultures, including Taoism.
So because of this its fair to assume Snakes and Toads are the only natural users
Naruto's entire foundation is based on Balance, Good/Evil, Snake/Toad more or less basic cultural and Tao philosophy.
Sun and Moon also come from Taoism.
Hashirama Sage Mode / Hagoromo Six Paths Sage Mode
Gamamaru's contact with Hagoromo would hint towards him teaching Hagoromo.
Hagoromo and Hashirama did not teach themselves Sage Mode.
Chances are they would have no knowledge of it without the Snakes or Toads.
Snakes and Toads teach the very same thing, Sage Mode across all users is the same, minus Six Paths Chakra enhancements.
Naruto retains his Toad eyes in Six Paths Sage Mode because its an already set mutation from the already established Sage Mode.
This would also mean Sasuke still has Six Paths Chakra, one could argue their own chakra was replaced with Six Paths Chakra as well.
Six Paths Sage Mode is an amped up Toad(Snake) Sage Mode.
Normally, Sage Mode enhances ones abilities/chakra/power.
Whereas Six Paths Chakra enhances Sage mode.
Six Path Chakra is known to be different than regular chakra, vastly more powerful so to speak and so stronger than Natural Energy.
Hagoromo gave Naruto Six Paths Chakra and not Six Paths Sage Mode, Six Paths Sage Mode comes from the combination of Sage Mode and Six Paths Chakra.
It should be noted that if Hagoromo was taught that would mean Hashirama would have been taught as well.
Reasons for body mutations taught from eithers tutelage are unknown
It can be said Hagoromo and Hashirama's appearance do not change because of their massive power levels.
Power level overcoming Natural Energy is shown by Madara when he absorbed Hashirama's Sage Mode with ease and without change.
The toad contract shown early on in the series contained five signatures.
A contract for what? To ensure good willed use of Honored Sage Mode.
They must all be Naruto, Minato, Jiraiya, Hashirama and Hagoromo.(Naruto, Jiraiya being well known fact)
Coincidence there are five known good willed users? Doubtful.
A contract for what? To ensure good willed use of Honored Sage Mode.
They must all be Naruto, Minato, Jiraiya, Hashirama and Hagoromo.(Naruto, Jiraiya being well known fact)
Coincidence there are five known good willed users? Doubtful.
Theory: a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
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