Hashirama rumor?

[Exaar]

name one ninja that can beat madara....its okay ill wait -___-

Just one?

Sm Kabuto + Edo army

 

[Disquiet]

name one ninja that can beat madara....its okay ill wait -___-

EMS Madara? Naruto most likely. And if you don't restrict Nagato, due to his having Madara's eyes, him as well.

 

[sage22]

Then I could say you're just going off what Iruka said and Madara saying only Hashirama could stop im might as well be stating a fact.

Ok 3 things again.
1 I'm going off iruka statement(the guy who is a teacher for the leaf village) the databook(which was written by kishimoto himself) and oro who said that hiruzen was God of shinobi.
2 madara statement is pointless. Itachi said only one who shares his blood could defeat him so does that mean that hashirama is weaker than itachi.
3 kishi has not had anyone disprove iruka statement. Yes the anbu did say the senju bros were the best shinobi but being the best isn't the strongest. Kabuto said hashirama power was a fairytale but being a fairytale doesn't compare to being a god.
Madara did say only hashirama could ever stop him but like I said that statement is pointless considering we are talking about the kages n not madara.

 

[sage22]

name one ninja that can beat madara....its okay ill wait -___-

This post is about hashirama.

 

[Lating3ar]

kabuto was defeated by itachi and he isn't complete compared too Madara, who by far is the strongest uchiha there fore kabuto and edo army are a joke, play toys to madara

 

[Disquiet]

they just use seals, don't think that has a specific name

Based on what I remember, they were informed about the edo army, and knew the only way they could be defeated is through the use of seals. And was thus prepared. Hiruzen had no such preparation, and it hasn't been shown that shinobi regularly carry tools that could seal another's soul.

 

[Exaar]

kabuto was defeated by itachi and he isn't complete compared too Madara, who by far is the strongest uchiha there fore kabuto and edo army are a joke, play toys to madara

Again with fail logic.
If Itachi did not have sasuke with him, Kabuto would of stomped him and put his kunai into his skull to regain controll. Plus Kabuto did not have his edo's there to help since they were busy fighting the shinobi army.

 

[The Alchemist]

honestly it's quite obvious he is the strongest kage, forget the part 1 BS his power has been stated to be like a fairytail, and numerous quotes from other characters stating his superiority, list can go on but don't care enough to explain

Yes but you see his feats began that of legend like Rikudo Sennin's which means a lot of things were embellished. I personally think Hiruzen in his prime was stronger but there is no manga chapter showing him and Hashi fighting so that's just my opinion.

 

[Lating3ar]

okay? broaden your facts to a bigger picture and youll see that soo much evidence points to the fact that hashirama's powers were so vast and great its almost like a "myth" like the SO6P

 

[Lating3ar]

And if your going to tell me to list them then you haven't been reading this manga from the beginning -__- Im not going to waste any more time looking for something that should be well known by now in the ninja world.

 

[Exaar]

okay? broaden your facts to a bigger picture and youll see that soo much evidence points to the fact that hashirama's powers were so vast and great its almost like a "myth" like the SO6P

Hiruzen power was so vast and great he was called a God of shinobi.

I don't see your point.

 

[Lating3ar]

do you read the manga? omg if i had a penny for everytime Hashirama's power have been idolized and giving him the strongest kage ever, i would be eating sushi with kishi right now laughing at this thread

 

[Tormound]

Based on what I remember, they were informed about the edo army, and knew the only way they could be defeated is through the use of seals. And was thus prepared. Hiruzen had no such preparation, and it hasn't been shown that shinobi regularly carry tools that could seal another's soul.

Couldn't he make it in battle? I do believe the seals were just ink on paper no larger than a exploding tag. How long does shadow possession last? Is it based on a set time or based on chakra? He could immobilize them then have shadow clones make the tags. Since he is the Professor, I'll assume that he knows how to make such seals.

 

[Disquiet]

Couldn't he make it in battle? I do believe the seals were just ink on paper no larger than a exploding tag. How long does shadow possession last? Is it based on a set time or based on chakra? He could immobilize them then have shadow clones make the tags. Since he is the Professor, I'll assume that he knows how to make such seals.

Lol that's assuming shinobi carries around little sheets of blank paper around with them. -__-
And it was said by Hidan that Shiknaru could hold it for five mins, but the one its being cast on could also break it if they are powerful enough as seen with Gaara.

do you read the manga? omg if i had a penny for everytime Hashirama's power have been idolized and giving him the strongest kage ever, i would be eating sushi with kishi right now laughing at this thread

You sir, will be a very broke man. -__-

 

[Omnipotent]

Nobody has really ever told me how Hiruzen counters flower power jutsu or mokuton clone jutsu.

Even if Hiruzen uses Enma (in the case that Enma was summoned prior to the fight, which is very unlikely) to get away from flower power jutsu, he would lose the battle. Why? Because he'd have to flee from the battlefield; with flower power jutsu Hashirama changes the battlefield to a dense forest near instantaneously.

Hiruzen won't be able to see through mokuton clone jutsu if only EMS Madara with his dojutsu was able to. What makes Hiruzen so special? I don't remember him having EMS, and there were better sensors than him (although Hiruzen wasn't even a sensor).

So he loses.

FURTHERMORE, because you guys INSIST on using this 'Prime' Hiruzen, 'Prime' Hashirama would be when he had multiple Biju under his command. How would Hiruzen and Enma face that?

 

[Lating3ar]

well i would prefer to take Madara's word since he actually fought with Hashirama and was defeated by him. Every other Hokage wouldn't be able to defeat Madara, i mean even the current kages are like flies.

 

[sage22]

Nobody has really ever told me how Hiruzen counters flower power jutsu or mokuton clone jutsu.

Even if Hiruzen uses Enma (in the case that Enma was summoned prior to the fight, which is very unlikely) to get away from flower power jutsu, he would lose the battle. Why? Because he'd have to flee from the battlefield; with flower power jutsu Hashirama changes the battlefield to a dense forest near instantaneously.

Hiruzen won't be able to see through mokuton clone jutsu if only EMS Madara with his dojutsu was able to. What makes Hiruzen so special? I don't remember him having EMS, and there were better sensors than him (although Hiruzen wasn't even a sensor).

So he loses.

FURTHERMORE, because you guys INSIST on using this 'Prime' Hiruzen, 'Prime' Hashirama would be when he had multiple Biju under his command. How would Hiruzen and Enma face that?

Hey nobody has proven this manga statement wrong yet.

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[Disquiet]

Nobody has really ever told me how Hiruzen counters flower power jutsu or mokuton clone jutsu.

Even if Hiruzen uses Enma (in the case that Enma was summoned prior to the fight, which is very unlikely) to get away from flower power jutsu, he would lose the battle. Why? Because he'd have to flee from the battlefield; with flower power jutsu Hashirama changes the battlefield to a dense forest near instantaneously.

Hiruzen won't be able to see through mokuton clone jutsu if only EMS Madara with his dojutsu was able to. What makes Hiruzen so special? I don't remember him having EMS, and there were better sensors than him (although Hiruzen wasn't even a sensor).

So he loses.

FURTHERMORE, because you guys INSIST on using this 'Prime' Hiruzen, 'Prime' Hashirama would be when he had multiple Biju under his command. How would Hiruzen and Enma face that?

I don't really argue in a vs match between the two, because it's already been stated that Hiruzen is the strongest hokage, and it's pointless considering Hiruzen has every jutsu under his belt (excluding kkg) to say that he has no counter for it. Even still, I'm not saying it's impossible for Hashirama to win since every shinobi can be beaten.


Until I see the viz scan, this statement doesn't even make sense.

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It doesn't make sense that "Hashirama" had them under his control, and then started spreading them after each great ninja war, he died in the first war. -__- Which can only mean they were under the "control" of konoha, and in which case the word "control" comes into question here.

 

[OnPoint]

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VIZ.

 

[Disquiet]

Ah, If Hashirama can actually control their minds, then I say it doesn't look too good for Hiruzen. :/ Although, I don't think too highly of the decision to bring the beasts into the picture. In which case, Hashirama doesn't have the feat of defeating Madara+kyuubi. Only Madara. Especially if you're the one who has been using this as a feat. It just looks bad as a debater to go back and take away what you yourself has used a feat so your fave character can win. It's a signal to stop, because nothing can change your mind. In this scenario, it would Hiruzen vs Hashirama+Multiple tailed beasts.