Hashirama rumor?

[Draphsin]

Ehh wrong answer. Hate to be the one to give English lessons(not really) but the word could is also used to denote a possibility. Seeing as Madara's next statement was "and he's no longer with us" not "but even him can't stop me now." Its more likely he's meant Hashirama could beat him even now

lmao no its not, in fact its most likely that he was talking about the past tense. And either way, you (and hashi fans) have just as little of a clue as we do in knowing what tense madara was talking in, so stop assuming he was talking about the present just because you think the manga implies it. There written in different languages if you didnt notice, the english grammar system is definitely different than the japanese one so stop talking as if their one and the same and stop taking manga statements out of context while confirming them as facts...

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

the top three strongest shinobi's to ever exist (that includes hype and feets) non edo :

- hashirama

- hiruzen PRIME

- madara

now you can put them in any order you want but madara will never be on top. personally i would say the prime hiruzen was the strongest but looking at whats happening in shippuden, if someone said hashi is the strongest then how the hell can you argue with that. he was a MONSTER

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

I think most people got that idea when Kabuto said how his power seemed like that out of a fairy tail, like the Rikudo Sennin - add to that the techniques we've already seen from Edo Madara, and it is quite impressive. Most people seem to agree Kishimoto decided to retcon his own story with this. Hiruzen should logically considered to be the strongest, but Kishi doesn't seem to know how to make up his mind and it looks like he switched over to Hashirama :/

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[RasenUchihaChaos]

saru only beat hasi because its called Incomplete character creation shows/ manga s birth where we dont even know anythiung about


hashi and tobi so kishi didnt fully design them both now after seeing the new info on what hashi can do + that he didnt use all his abilities he would destroy saru

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

saru only beat hasi because its called Incomplete character creation shows/ manga s birth where we dont even know anythiung about


hashi and tobi so kishi didnt fully design them both now after seeing the new info on what hashi can do + that he didnt use all his abilities he would destroy saru

that wasn't the real hashi and that was an old hiruzen that is a joke compared to his prime (but he did well, he had to deal with the raw power of the second and the first), i belive the real hashi vs prime hiruzen would be sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo close.

 

[ITACHItheINVINCIBLE7]

he never beated madara but infact the batlle was won by madara as he got the cells

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Basically I use to think hashirama was just this wood guy and that was that. Didn't think he was nothing to special I thought he was on the same level as everyone else such as minato and hiruzen. I thought the same for madara before he was summoned as well as we have only seen tobi who was posing as him before that.

Then madara the boss of bosses was brought back and I was like HOLLYYY SHITTT this guy is in his own league no one on this show is even near him. But he says hashirama this and hashirama that and you 5 kages = piece of shit and Hashirama = the only guy who can match up to me.

So from common knowledge of the series, Hashirama and Madara is on an wholeeeee other scale to everyone else. Of course you have those hiruzen fans which think hiruzen was on this level as well :| From everything we have seen from hiruzen from the flash back of him trying to stop oro, the nine tails and vs oro, hashirama and tobirama :| :| :| people are saying he has some magically prime. Even from what we have seen from minato does NOT compare

 

[Exaar]

Ehh wrong answer. Hate to be the one to give English lessons(not really) but the word could is also used to denote a possibility. Seeing as Madara's next statement was "and he's no longer with us" not "but even him can't stop me now." Its more likely he's meant Hashirama could beat him even now

He is simply stating that in the past hashirama was the only person who ever defeated him, Thus he has the best chance of defeating him again, No way in any shape or form did he state that hashirama can defeat him in his current form.

Alot of Madara's statements are taken out of context merely because his arrogance towards the kages, Madara stated that the kages are nothing compared to hashirama befor he ever even saw what they're truly capable of, hence why they almost sealed him and forced him to use Perfect susanoo, He even stated that they do indeed deserve the title of Kage, While they also even forced him to use clones in place of his real edo body.
Again when madara said tsunades healing techs are nothing compared to hashirama, Proving that some his statements are completely baseless since tsunade later of match that feat of hashi's healing tech.

Madara's statements need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[Makoto]

Madara said Hashirama was the only one who could beat him.

Which makes Hashirama the best.

This isn't DBZ, my friend. This is Naruto. Just because Hashirama can beat EMS Madara doesn't mean Hashirama is automatically the strongest.

Noone so far has proven me wrong. . Noone can match Hashirama's mokuton dragon.. not even the 9-tails.. so fail thread?[/QUOTE

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That guy proved you wrong. Also this statement let's me know ur ignorant and talking to you would be a waste of time.

What else would you expect from a Hashirama fanboy? Orochimaru perfected Edo Tensei and even if Hashirama and Tobirama displayed all of their techniques, I don't think Kishi would allow Orochimaru to destroy Konoha and end up with no story. He would make Hiruzen stronger, and even Hiruzen himself stated he was the strongest. People always ignore this.

Iruka stated "He WAS called the strongest Hokage"

Hiruzen replied "Hey, Iruka!! DON'T SPEAK IN PAST TENSE!!" Honestly, Hashirama fanboys are idiots. Hiruzen was taught by Hashirama and Tobirama, he's aware of their techniques, fighting style, and skill, yet he still stated that, AT AN AGE OF SIXTY NINE!!

Ok in all fairness since part 1 kishi has given hashirama a nice lil power up. But I asked for facts. The fact is in part 1 he let everyone know hiruzen was the strongest. Then he had hiruzen beat hashirama and tobirama. Not since part 2 even tho hashirama supposedly have these new powers but what facts do we have to prove he is stronger than tobirama? And to answer my own question their is NO FACTS to prove this just speculation.

Precisely this. No one makes up a story and makes up things along the way. They plan the core of the story, make sure the major details are going to be in the story, and fill in the minor details. Yet people honestly believe that Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen. Honestly, then why would Kishi state Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage? I don't think Kishi made this manga for idiots.

I'm just going to.say this. No one should use Edo madara as a way to decide how strong the first is. He has both senju and uchiha DNA. He is an Edo plus rinnegan. Most of whichadara didn't have during the battle. Also in the manga it stated that mito (1sts wife) helped the 1st in that battle. The manga said that in order for mito to better help the 1st she sealed the 9tails in her DURING the battle. So the 1st had help. But also madara wasn't as strong as he is now. So its not fair to judge. Plus we can't really get a good idea of how strong hiruzen is because we only saw him in part one. If he was in part 2 we would surely see a stronger hiruzen. Remember when it was stated in the manga that the 2nd was considered the best water ninja because he can make water appear out of thin air when no water is around. U needed a water source to use water jutsu. How many ninjas have done this since then in part 2. Even kakashi used water jutsu in a desert like field when fighting kakazu. There was no water around. So u can't really say much. But all I know is that kishi has stated that the 3rd and 4th were the strongest. Until he says other wise. Regardless to what's hinted. His words are fact.

Tobirama isn't the strongest water user because of making water out of thin air, Tobirama is the strongest water user because his water jutsu were unparalleled. He could use a water jutsu with one hand seal, no water required, and the level of the technique was probably s rank.

Yet he still believes hes not stronger then Hashirama.

He's stated Hashirama is the only one with a chance to beat him. He's never stated or implied that he's weaker than Hashirama, and it's very likely that he's underestimating his own strength if he's seriously suggesting Hashirama can defeat the Rinnegan + Edo body with unlimited chakra + Hashi's techniques. Hashirama had trouble against EMS Madara who had limited chakra, no Mokuton, and no Rinnegan. Isn't it possible he's referring to Edo Hashirama because he doesn't know Hashirama's sealed?

lol youve been proven wrong many times -_-

He just won't listen.

I think most people got that idea when Kabuto said how his power seemed like that out of a fairy tail, like the Rikudo Sennin - add to that the techniques we've already seen from Edo Madara, and it is quite impressive. Most people seem to agree Kishimoto decided to retcon his own story with this. Hiruzen should logically considered to be the strongest, but Kishi doesn't seem to know how to make up his mind and it looks like he switched over to Hashirama :/

Or maybe he didn't make his manga for idiots who can't use logic.

 

[sage22]

Basically I use to think hashirama was just this wood guy and that was that. Didn't think he was nothing to special I thought he was on the same level as everyone else such as minato and hiruzen. I thought the same for madara before he was summoned as well as we have only seen tobi who was posing as him before that.

Then madara the boss of bosses was brought back and I was like HOLLYYY SHITTT this guy is in his own league no one on this show is even near him. But he says hashirama this and hashirama that and you 5 kages = piece of shit and Hashirama = the only guy who can match up to me.

So from common knowledge of the series, Hashirama and Madara is on an wholeeeee other scale to everyone else. Of course you have those hiruzen fans which think hiruzen was on this level as well :| From everything we have seen from hiruzen from the flash back of him trying to stop oro, the nine tails and vs oro, hashirama and tobirama :| :| :| people are saying he has some magically prime. Even from what we have seen from minato does NOT compare

This guy here has no idea what he's talking about. First off u can not I repeat edoe anyone as a measure stick. Edos are stronger than their normal version especially madara. Now I would like to point out hashirama didn' even defeat madara by himself his wife help. Next hashirama can't beat rinnagun madara and he wouldn't even touch edo madara. So your common knowledge is actually a false delusion.

 

[sage22]

Or maybe he's just a crappy writer when it comes to continuity? Kishimoto is not infallible; he's human. Humans are fickle. Only idiots who can't use logic wouldn't be able to see this simple fact.

Kishimoto have made some huge inconsistency that have messed up the manga.

 

[OnPoint]

Settle down child, I won't give you anything but manga pages. If you come out not being able to infer that, at this point in the story, Hashirama's supremacy over the other Hokage is intentional on Kishimoto's part then, meh.

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[TrollingSage]

This isn't DBZ, my friend. This is Naruto. Just because Hashirama can beat EMS Madara doesn't mean Hashirama is automatically the strongest.

What else would you expect from a Hashirama fanboy? Orochimaru perfected Edo Tensei and even if Hashirama and Tobirama displayed all of their techniques, I don't think Kishi would allow Orochimaru to destroy Konoha and end up with no story. He would make Hiruzen stronger, and even Hiruzen himself stated he was the strongest. People always ignore this.

Iruka stated "He WAS called the strongest Hokage"

Hiruzen replied "Hey, Iruka!! DON'T SPEAK IN PAST TENSE!!" Honestly, Hashirama fanboys are idiots. Hiruzen was taught by Hashirama and Tobirama, he's aware of their techniques, fighting style, and skill, yet he still stated that, AT AN AGE OF SIXTY NINE!!



Precisely this. No one makes up a story and makes up things along the way. They plan the core of the story, make sure the major details are going to be in the story, and fill in the minor details. Yet people honestly believe that Hashirama is stronger than Hiruzen. Honestly, then why would Kishi state Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage? I don't think Kishi made this manga for idiots.



Tobirama isn't the strongest water user because of making water out of thin air, Tobirama is the strongest water user because his water jutsu were unparalleled. He could use a water jutsu with one hand seal, no water required, and the level of the technique was probably s rank.



He's stated Hashirama is the only one with a chance to beat him. He's never stated or implied that he's weaker than Hashirama, and it's very likely that he's underestimating his own strength if he's seriously suggesting Hashirama can defeat the Rinnegan + Edo body with unlimited chakra + Hashi's techniques. Hashirama had trouble against EMS Madara who had limited chakra, no Mokuton, and no Rinnegan. Isn't it possible he's referring to Edo Hashirama because he doesn't know Hashirama's sealed?



He just won't listen.



Or maybe he didn't make his manga for idiots who can't use logic.

Now don't be too hard on yourself. Even idiots like you have their use in society.
Like you said, Iruka said Hiruzen was called the strongest Hokage. That means it was an opinion held by a group of people. Hashirama and Tobirama were also called the best shinobi. Now later in the story, Kishi let us know that Hashirama's strength was considered a fairytale. Now that invalidates Iruka's hype. Now to help you understand why(since per your own admission, you're an idiot)
I've made up a little illustration. Let's say there was online poll to determine who's the better player, Messi or Maradonna. Messi wins the poll. After a little investigation, it is revealed that most of the people who voted in the polls haven't seen Maradonna play before, live or even recorded. They believe his footballing feats are exaggerated. Wouldn't you say that invalidates the results of the poll?
That's how it is with Hashirama and Hiruzen. If they considered Hashirama's strenght to be a fairy tale, then naturally they won't factor Hashirama's actual strenght into the equation when considering who the strongest kage is.

 

[seanmansam]

Jeeeez man. Dont throw such a freakin hissy fit! are you really gonna get mad cuz som people said hash was the strongest hokage? wow, just wow.....

 

[Words of wisdom]

Kabuto said that he is the strongest and is like a fairy tale.

 

[sage22]

Kabuto said that he is the strongest and is like a fairy tale.

Hey bro can you help me out and give me the manga page where kabuto said that hashirama was the strongest hokage.

 

[Disquiet]

He is simply stating that in the past hashirama was the only person who ever defeated him, Thus he has the best chance of defeating him again, No way in any shape or form did he state that hashirama can defeat him in his current form.

Alot of Madara's statements are taken out of context merely because his arrogance towards the kages, Madara stated that the kages are nothing compared to hashirama befor he ever even saw what they're truly capable of, hence why they almost sealed him and forced him to use Perfect susanoo, He even stated that they do indeed deserve the title of Kage, While they also even forced him to use clones in place of his real edo body.
Again when madara said tsunades healing techs are nothing compared to hashirama, Proving that some his statements are completely baseless since tsunade later of match that feat of hashi's healing tech.

Madara's statements need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

This post has a lot of sense to it. Madara already refuted several of his own statements. It only makes sense, Madara doesn't know what the hell he's talking about because he has no knowledge of the generations that came after his era. Not that any of his statements contradicted Hiruzen's title in the first place.


What readers don't seem to be catching on is that Kishi is simply showing what monsters they were during their generation, they were the kings of their generation, no other two shinobi has completely dominated a generation as they did. The gap between them and others were wide. This is Sasuke's and Naruto's role now, to take the place of Hashirama and Madara. Everyone can agree that Naruto is waaayyy ahead of others of his generation. And Kishi has stated that Naruto=Sasuke. The same it was hinted that Hashirama=Madara. This is blatantly obvious. Now on to my main point, even if a single shinobi arose generations later and was stronger than Naruto, in no way is he taking away all the hype and excellence of Naruto's and Sasuke's rule. Their rule would always "in a sense", be unparalleled. Stories that will be told for generations, the era of Naruto and Sasuke. Their story will always be in its own right, unmatched. Just because a shinobi may "exceed" one of them is strength doesn't take away.


This is all Kishi is doing guys, but it seems the readers are misinterpreting, of course he has to hype them when he has already hyped so many other revived legends, Hashirama and Madara was the best.For now, let's just be readers and conceive what Kishi is trying to show us, they were freaking beasts during their generation. Well, I'm done, That is all.

 

[sage22]

This post has a lot of sense to it. Madara already refuted several of his own statements. It only makes sense, Madara doesn't know what the hell he's talking about because he has no knowledge of the generations that came after his era. Not that any of his statements contradicted Hiruzen's title in the first place.


What readers don't seem to be catching on is that Kishi is simply showing what monsters they were during their generation, they were the kings of their generation, no other two shinobi has completely dominated a generation as they did. The gap between them and others were wide. This is Sasuke's and Naruto's role now, to take the place of Hashirama and Madara. Everyone can agree that Naruto is waaayyy ahead of others of his generation. And Kishi has stated that Naruto=Sasuke. The same it was hinted that Hashirama=Madara. This is blatantly obvious. Now on to my main point, even if a single shinobi arose generations later and was stronger than Naruto, in no way is he taking away all the hype and excellence of Naruto's and Sasuke's rule. Their rule would always "in a sense", be unparalleled. Stories that will be told for generations, the era of Naruto and Sasuke. Their story will always be in its own right, unmatched. Just because a shinobi may "exceed" one of them is strength doesn't take away.


This is all Kishi is doing guys, but it seems the readers are misinterpreting, of course he has to hype them when he has already hyped so many other revived legends, Hashirama and Madara was the best.For now, let's just be readers and conceive what Kishi is trying to show us, they were freaking beasts during their generation. Well, I'm done, That is all.

Nice post

 

[Midday]

This post has a lot of sense to it. Madara already refuted several of his own statements. It only makes sense, Madara doesn't know what the hell he's talking about because he has no knowledge of the generations that came after his era. Not that any of his statements contradicted Hiruzen's title in the first place.


What readers don't seem to be catching on is that Kishi is simply showing what monsters they were during their generation, they were the kings of their generation, no other two shinobi has completely dominated a generation as they did. The gap between them and others were wide. This is Sasuke's and Naruto's role now, to take the place of Hashirama and Madara. Everyone can agree that Naruto is waaayyy ahead of others of his generation. And Kishi has stated that Naruto=Sasuke. The same it was hinted that Hashirama=Madara. This is blatantly obvious. Now on to my main point, even if a single shinobi arose generations later and was stronger than Naruto, in no way is he taking away all the hype and excellence of Naruto's and Sasuke's rule. Their rule would always "in a sense", be unparalleled. Stories that will be told for generations, the era of Naruto and Sasuke. Their story will always be in its own right, unmatched. Just because a shinobi may "exceed" one of them is strength doesn't take away.


This is all Kishi is doing guys, but it seems the readers are misinterpreting, of course he has to hype them when he has already hyped so many other revived legends, Hashirama and Madara was the best.For now, let's just be readers and conceive what Kishi is trying to show us, they were freaking beasts during their generation. Well, I'm done, That is all.

This is what a lot of people seem to not understand. Hashirama's recent hype has not contradicted Hiruzen's.

 

[Disquiet]

Nice post

Thanks.

This is what a lot of people seem to not understand. Hashirama's recent hype has not contradicted Hiruzen's.

I know right, they're coexistent. -__-'