Hashirama question ..

[Pomieee]

It seems to be a common concept that Hashirama is the greatest shinobi of all time, which im fine with. Im no Madara Uchiha fanboy, but i have a question,

Edo Tensei reincarnates the subject at their prime with unlimited chakra right (although im aware Orochimaru hadnt perfected it), also making them virtually immortal. So when Orochimaru summoned Hashirama and Tobirama shouldn't they have easily have disposed of Hiruzen, yet he took them both on. Is this just a plot hole or ...

Someone care to explain? Sorry if this is a stupid or repeated question lol

 

[Holy Cross]

orochimaru had control over them, they couldn't fight at their full potential

 

[Momo89]

I think in part it had to do with Orochimaru's skill as the jutsu caster. I remember sometime back, Obito marveled at Kabuto's ability to control so many shinobi under the reincarnation jutsu, implying that the person controlling the jutsu has to have some level of skill to manipulate the reincarnated shinobi. It's possible Oro just didn't use Hashirama's skill up to its full potential. Also, it's possible Hiruzen had some advantage from having so much battle experience, like Chiyo did.

 

[A Shell Of My Former Self]

Hiruzen is a boss, that's why.

 

[orona]

like the first two people said oro was controlling them so essentially they were just puppets that could use jutsu, and oro isn't gonna be as good at utilizing their power as they would have been themselves.

as for how they are brought back in terms of strength i don't really think they necessarily brought back in their prime but as they were at the moment of their death(i.e. chiyo, nagato) with certain exceptions like madara

 

[bl4ckJack]

It seems to be a common concept that Hashirama is the greatest shinobi of all time, which im fine with. Im no Madara Uchiha fanboy, but i have a question,

Edo Tensei reincarnates the subject at their prime with unlimited chakra right (although im aware Orochimaru hadnt perfected it), also making them virtually immortal. So when Orochimaru summoned Hashirama and Tobirama shouldn't they have easily have disposed of Hiruzen, yet he took them both on. Is this just a plot hole or ...

Someone care to explain? Sorry if this is a stupid or repeated question lol

@BOLD Wrong !!!!

Try to read about Edo-Tensei ... Its Not like What u think
Only Madara Got that Upgrade ... he was only restored to his Prime ( no .. better than his prime xd ) ... kabuto told that already ...

Edo-tensei reincarnates ppl how they were when the time of dying ( eg. Nagato with White hair ).

 

[Pomieee]

@BOLD Wrong !!!!

Try to read about Edo-Tensei ... Its Not like What u think
Only Madara Got that Upgrade ... he was only restored to his Prime ( no .. better than his prime xd ) ... kabuto told that already ...

Edo-tensei reincarnates ppl how they were when the time of dying ( eg. Nagato with White hair ).

Ahhh! That might help explain. Still. If thats the case, why does Itachi suffer no drawbacks from his use of MS? when in his lifetime, two dojutsu would seriously affect his stamina.

 

[Solo]

All of these answers are wrong.



Power Scaling was different back then. Rasengan for example, Back then in Part 1, all it did was put a hole in a water tank. Now, Rasengan can destroy mountains.

Also, that was the beginning of his story, he just changed his mind on a couple of things in part 2.

 

[Pomieee]

All of these answers are wrong.



Power Scaling was different back then. Rasengan for example, Back then in Part 1, all it did was put a hole in a water tank. Now, Rasengan can destroy mountains.


Also, that was the beginning of his story, he just changed his mind on a couple of things in part 2.

Couldn't that just be a result of Naruto getting stronger? I mean, there was a time gap of 3 years since he destroyed the water tank and part 2. Just a thought

 

[bl4ckJack]

Ahhh! That might help explain. Still. If thats the case, why does Itachi suffer no drawbacks from his use of MS? when in his lifetime, two dojutsu would seriously affect his stamina.

It restores to the same physical form(means he will retain any physical Injuries ) when the time of dying but ... in EDO- Form u have some innate Advantages

1. Immortal Body - How many time U die .. ur body will Regenerate after short period of time.
2. Infinite Chakra - Okay this one is tricky and Confusing ... I think its Like ... Its Not like ur Chakra reserve is Infinite But Ur Chakra will be replenished instantly ... means there is No-way u will be Out of Chakra !!!

And im pretty sure ... It gives infinite Stamina also ( reason why Itachi was able to do that and Madara .. after using so many high level tech .. is not exhausted at all xd ) ...

And diseases also dont affect I guess !

 

[Direcorpse]

It restores to the same physical form(means he will retain any physical Injuries ) when the time of dying but ... in EDO- Form u have some innate Advantages

1. Immortal Body - How many time U die .. ur body will Regenerate after short period of time.
2. Infinite Chakra - Okay this one is tricky and Confusing ... I think its Like ... Its Not like ur Chakra reserve is Infinite But Ur Chakra will be replenished instantly ... means there is No-way u will be Out of Chakra !!!

And im pretty sure ... It gives infinite Stamina also ( reason why Itachi was able to do that and Madara .. after using so many high level tech .. is not exhausted at all xd ) ...

And diseases also dont affect I guess !

You are correct

 

[orona]

All of these answers are wrong.



Power Scaling was different back then. Rasengan for example, Back then in Part 1, all it did was put a hole in a water tank. Now, Rasengan can destroy mountains.

Also, that was the beginning of his story, he just changed his mind on a couple of things in part 2.

yea definitely not what this guy said^ he thinks that the rasengan can destroy mountain, naruto didnt get any stronger in 3 years and that kishi "just changed his mind"

It restores to the same physical form(means he will retain any physical Injuries ) when the time of dying but ... in EDO- Form u have some innate Advantages

1. Immortal Body - How many time U die .. ur body will Regenerate after short period of time.
2. Infinite Chakra - Okay this one is tricky and Confusing ... I think its Like ... Its Not like ur Chakra reserve is Infinite But Ur Chakra will be replenished instantly ... means there is No-way u will be Out of Chakra !!!

And im pretty sure ... It gives infinite Stamina also ( reason why Itachi was able to do that and Madara .. after using so many high level tech .. is not exhausted at all xd ) ...

And diseases also dont affect I guess !

i'm pretty sure this is how it works, immortal bodies, infinite chakra. as for stamina the reason shinobi are weakened after using several powerful techniques is because they are depleting their chakra which is essentially their own life force so basically since they are depleting their chakra/life force they begin to get tired(not that that's the only way for them to get tired) and since edo's have infinite chakra they will never really get tired either

about the hasi thing like i said oro was using them like puppets so they weren't as powerful as they would have been with control over their own bodies

 

[Pomieee]

It restores to the same physical form(means he will retain any physical Injuries ) when the time of dying but ... in EDO- Form u have some innate Advantages

1. Immortal Body - How many time U die .. ur body will Regenerate after short period of time.
2. Infinite Chakra - Okay this one is tricky and Confusing ... I think its Like ... Its Not like ur Chakra reserve is Infinite But Ur Chakra will be replenished instantly ... means there is No-way u will be Out of Chakra !!!

And im pretty sure ... It gives infinite Stamina also ( reason why Itachi was able to do that and Madara .. after using so many high level tech .. is not exhausted at all xd ) ...

And diseases also dont affect I guess !

Okay, this one seems for more likely than the other guys power scaling answer haha. Thanks for explaining! I think i already gave you rep

 

[Chatte]

Now I just noticed something when you came with this question.
Has NO connection, yet it has somehow.

It is said that Edo reincarnates you like when you died.
Tobirama died young... But it is said Hashirama died old in a battle.
Now my question is: why when Orochimaru summoned them he looked like in his prime?
Orochimaru didn't said anything about bringing them back in their prime...

 

[bl4ckJack]

Okay, this one seems for more likely than the other guys power scaling answer haha. Thanks for explaining! I think i already gave you rep

Thanx mate ... i dont want rep ... I just want a fair debate and argument .... Im glad I helped U .. thats all I want

yea definitely not what this guy said^ he thinks that the rasengan can destroy mountain, naruto didnt get any stronger in 3 years and that kishi "just changed his mind"



i'm pretty sure this is how it works, immortal bodies, infinite chakra. as for stamina the reason shinobi are weakened after using several powerful techniques is because they are depleting their chakra which is essentially their own life force so basically since they are depleting their chakra/life force they begin to get tired(not that that's the only way for them to get tired) and since edo's have infinite chakra they will never really get tired either

about the hasi thing like i said oro was using them like puppets so they weren't as powerful as they would have been with control over their own bodies

Here orona explained it pretty well ... I guess that explains the Stamina thingy

Now I just noticed something when you came with this question.
Has NO connection, yet it has somehow.

It is said that Edo reincarnates you like when you died.
Tobirama died young... But it is said Hashirama died old in a battle.
Now my question is: why when Orochimaru summoned them he looked like in his prime?
Orochimaru didn't said anything about bringing them back in their prime...

Now u pointed it ... I also started thinking .. thats really weird ( again plot hole xd )

 

[Chatte]

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Now u pointed it ... I also started thinking .. thats really weird ( again plot hole xd )

Yup, pretty weird as Orochimaru didn't mentioned any improvements like Kabuto did with Madara. :|

 

[Orochimagus]

Even with Kabuto, he rarely took full control of his summons because he knew he could not use their Jutsu to their full potential. An example was with Deidara like how Kabuto said he could not use Deidara's art.

Orochimaru was forced to take full control because if he had not, Hashi and Tobirama would have cancelled the contract and turned on him. Orochimaru took no risks, which is why the technique didn't create an issue for him...But Kabuto, while stronger was also less careful, which led to Madara being free now.

 

[Pomieee]

Even with Kabuto, he rarely took full control of his summons because he knew he could not use their Jutsu to their full potential. An example was with Deidara like how Kabuto said he could not use Deidara's art.

Orochimaru was forced to take full control because if he had not, Hashi and Tobirama would have cancelled the contract and turned on him. Orochimaru took no risks, which is why the technique didn't create an issue for him...But Kabuto, while stronger was also less careful, which led to Madara being free now.

Yeah Kabuto left them with part of their personalities and traits still attached, did he not? Where as Orochimaru just turned Hashirama and Tobirama into brain dead killing machines.