Hashirama never fought Perfect Susanoo

[Unbiased]

Anyone who has seen it dies.

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Therefore they're two conclusions from this.

1-Hashirama has never seen it or he would of died in their fight against EMS Madara.
2-Madara did not have Perfect Susanoo at the great valley battle. He risked his life for DNA when he could of just slaughtered Hashirama and taken his corpse. Perfect indication he did not have it.

 

[Kettei]

"It is said"

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

It said "It was said" it probably means most people.

Also how can you state he did not have, when the battle hasn't been shown in the manga :\ I don't understand

 

[Exaar]

He might of had it, he might not.

We will have to wait untill kishi shows the fight during the manga, There is no manga Facts Proving he had it back then, Nor that he didn't.

 

[xXBlazinNinXx]

It didn't actually meant who ever saw it dies.

 

[Omnipotent]

Anyone who has seen it dies.

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Therefore they're two conclusions from this.

1-Hashirama has never seen it or he would of died in their fight against EMS Madara.
2-Madara did not have Perfect Susanoo at the great valley battle. He risked his life for DNA when he could of just slaughtered Hashirama and taken his corpse. Perfect indication he did not have it.

"It is said". That means he's using what people said about him, or he would have just said that "Anyone who has seen it dies". Even if you are correct, Hashirama is dead, no?

And if it has been seen before, who else but Hashirama would have seen it? Or did EMS Madara just not try against Hashirama?

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[Unbiased]

It said "It was said" it probably means most people.

Also how can you state he did not have, when the battle hasn't been shown in the manga :\ I don't understand

Otherwise Hashirama would of died.

"It is said"

That statement wouldn't be true if Hashirama had it used against him. Therefore my main statement being hashirama never had it used against him still holds.

 

[saaaaaadpanda]

"It is said"

Exactly. Plus, how could he say "it is said" if there was no one left alive after seeing it to say "it is said". It's not definite, but you could assume some people may have seen it and survived, one of whom could be Hashi.

 

[Unbiased]

Exactly. Plus, how could he say "it is said" if there was no one left alive after seeing it to say "it is said". It's not definite, but you could assume some people may have seen it and survived, one of whom could be Hashi.

Whose to say that Madara isn't the one saying it?

 

[Dreckerplayer]

"It was said" usually means "It never happened"...in my opinion.

People who saw it, died, so every uchiha who hasn't seen it is running their mouths in ignorance.

 

[OnPoint]

Madara already confirmed that he fought with Hashirama in a fight to the death, far beyond the 'game' he was playing with the Kages. He also claimed Shodai was the only one with the potential to defeat him - right after revealing Perfect Susano'o. In addition to that, Ōnoki asked why Madara didn't use his full EMS power (Perfect Susano'o) in their earlier skirmish - Madara states he doesn't fight seriously with kids. Madara even added that without Shodai around, the extent to which the maps would be redrawn would be less. Perfect Susano'o is the only map redrawing technique Madara has shown specific to his EMS. The Susano'o preceeded his Rinnegan activation, Hashirama is no kid and they fought in a fight to the death with map destroying techniques. The 1st Hokage fought Perfect Susano'o.

 

[Champ]

I to was indenial about Hashirama beatin Perfect Susano'o, since it would make him Op, but that's what he is. There's no reason for Madara too hold back against Hashirama, and then to say only Hashirama could ever stop me.

 

[Zlad]

Hard to say, but I also don't think he did. Who knows, maybe controlling the Kyuubi makes you 'weaker' and removes such power? Have to wait for the flashback

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Whose to say that Madara isn't the one saying it?

It is said means other people.

"Everyone who see's PS dies" Is madara saying it.

Then we can say "Madara said.." get it

 

[Unbiased]

Madara already confirmed that he fought with Hashirama in a fight to the death, far beyond the 'game' he was playing with the Kages. He also claimed Shodai was the only one with the potential to defeat him - right after revealing Perfect Susano'o. In addition to that, Ōnoki asked why Madara didn't use his full EMS power (Perfect Susano'o) in their earlier skirmish - Madara states he doesn't fight seriously with kids. Madara even added that without Shodai around, the extent to which the maps would be redrawn would be less. Perfect Susano'o is the only map redrawing technique Madara has shown specific to his EMS. The Susano'o preceeded his Rinnegan activation, Hashirama is no kid and they fought in a fight to the death. The 1st Hokage fought Perfect Susano'o.

Then hashirama would of died in that battle according to the manga. Therefore he didn't fight against perfect susanoo.

 

[u wanna die]

Anyone who has seen it dies.

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Therefore they're two conclusions from this.

1-Hashirama has never seen it or he would of died in their fight against EMS Madara.
2-Madara did not have Perfect Susanoo at the great valley battle. He risked his life for DNA when he could of just slaughtered Hashirama and taken his corpse. Perfect indication he did not have it.

well .. hashi died... so madara claiming that is maybe true

and i also think its very logical that madara use perfect susanoo with a fight to the death with hashi... it pointless if he holds back..

anyway thats only my idea.. nice thread still

 

[iSpeak the Truth]

Meanwhile......couple more people died in Syria.....>__>

 

[Unbiased]

It is said means other people.

"Everyone who see's PS dies" Is madara saying it.

Then we can say "Madara said.." get it

The direct statement is "It is said" meaning anyone could be saying it. It doesn't remove Madara from saying that.

 

[OnPoint]

Then hashirama would of died in that battle according to the manga. Therefore he didn't fight against perfect susanoo.

No, because the "it is said" part of the quote means Madara was only stating something commonly reported or rumored.

 

[wizzyguy]

Anyone who has seen it dies.

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Therefore they're two conclusions from this.

1-Hashirama has never seen it or he would of died in their fight against EMS Madara.
2-Madara did not have Perfect Susanoo at the great valley battle. He risked his life for DNA when he could of just slaughtered Hashirama and taken his corpse. Perfect indication he did not have it.

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nuff said.