Hashirama>Madara? Completely false with facts

[silmarill]

And it took him 90+ years to surpass him who died in his youth

rofl im going to rep u for this :d

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

People still stink Hashirama>Madara which is stupid and illogical. Its the anti-simple logic to say that. Has everyone forgotten that Hashirama=EMS Madara? Hashirama BARELY came out of that fight which lasted a whole day(as it seems).

Hashirama Senju
-wood syle in general
-Brute strength
-Taijutsu prowess
-Kenjutsu prowess
-weapon skills
-Water and earth styles?
-Healing

EMS Madara
-Fire techs
-Genjutsu
-Amaterasu
-Susanoo
-Attack deflecting Fan
-Taijutsu prowess
-Kenjutsu prowess
-weapon skills
-superior defense

With these stats they were equal. The current Madara is both Hashirama amd EMS Madara combined with:
-Rinnegan
-Ulimited Stamina
-regeneration/healing
-OFTW chakra reserves

People misinterpt what Madara says:"Hashirama is the only one who can POSSIBLY defeat me."

That only means Hashirama has the best chance out of anyone in the narutoverse who can defeat Madara.

Madara Uchiha>Hashirama Senju

That is all.

No what is illogical is you saying this is illogical when madara himself stated otherwise dumb ass

 

[Mejkl3]

They fought several times and there always Hashirama won even vs Madara with Kyuubi

 

[silmarill]

Madara was so confident in himself he didnt dare to face Hashi without the mightiest of tailed beast being enslaved by him

 

[TobisPawn]

Hashirama > EMS Madara + Kurama. And, by going off of Madara's own words and simple logic, Hashirama > Edo Madara.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Hashirama > EMS Madara.....he beat Madara and Kurama....were Hashirama = EMS Madara he'd have lost because it would be Hashirama vs someone equal to him plus Kurama....

Hashirama obviously isn't as strong as Edo Madara because on of the biggest upgrades to Edo Madara is the whole fact tht he litterally has become a fusion of Madara AND Hashirama....

 

[TobisPawn]

Hashirama > EMS Madara.....he beat Madara and Kurama....were Hashirama = EMS Madara he'd have lost because it would be Hashirama vs someone equal to him plus Kurama....

Hashirama obviously isn't as strong as Edo Madara because on of the biggest upgrades to Edo Madara is the whole fact tht he litterally has become a fusion of Madara AND Hashirama....

No, he did not become a fusion of Hashirama and Madara. His, as said by himself, "full power" is still Perfect Susanoo. If he really got all of Hashirama's techniques, then his full power would be whatever Hashirama used to defeat PS.

Madara himself also said that all Hashirama left him is some power clinging to him.

 

[TheSages456]

edo madaras full power is the perfect susano that hashirama beat and not his new powers. according to madara and kishimoto, you are a retard.

 

[Midday]

I doubt that even the Hashirama fanboys would say that he would be able to beat Edo Madara.

madara beats orochimarus hashirama but loses to real hashirama like in manga canon.

He's talking about edo Madara here.

 

[TheSages456]

He's talking about edo Madara here.

ok? people know that you deny manga canon when it doesnt benefit anyone other that naruto or other characters that you like. hashirama is straight up stated to be stronger than madara and its been made obvious that madara wouldve been sealed right now if he fought hashirama instead of the 5 kages.

 

[Midday]

ok? people know that you deny manga canon when it doesnt benefit anyone other that naruto or other characters that you like. hashirama is straight up stated to be stronger than madara and its been made obvious that madara wouldve been sealed right now if he fought hashirama instead of the 5 kages.

If you want to bring up manga cannon, petra path > ninjutsu(mokuton).

 

[TheSages456]

If you want to bring up manga cannon, petra path > ninjutsu(mokuton).

not according to the databook written by kishimoto.

 

[Midday]

not according to the databook written by kishimoto.

Funny because the databook I've read said, every jutsu regardless of it's chakra properties.

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[TheSages456]

Funny because the databook I've read said, every jutsu regardless of it's chakra properties.

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mokuton isnt chakra. the elements are mixed underground and are the roots for the trees. mokuton is just the result.

 

[Midday]

mokuton isnt chakra. the elements are mixed underground and are the roots for the trees. mokuton is just the result.

It's made from Hashirama's chakra or were there tree roots on the rooftop where he fought Hiruzen? The chakra can also be absorbed out of the technique.

 

[TheSages456]

It's made from Hashirama's chakra or were there tree roots on the rooftop where he fought Hiruzen? The chakra can also be absorbed out of the technique.

his chakra is merely the source which make the trees spawn. im sorry but facts are facts and according to kishimoto, mokuton isnt chakra but real trees.

 

[Turson]

mokuton isnt chakra. the elements are mixed underground and are the roots for the trees. mokuton is just the result.

Remember when Jiraiya used Deep Fryer technique? Pain effortlessly sucked whole mass of oil.

 

[Midday]

his chakra is merely the source which make the trees spawn. im sorry but facts are facts and according to kishimoto, mokuton isnt chakra but real trees.

Stop passing off your assumptions as facts, where are the tree roots on the rooftop where Hiruzuen solo'd? The trees are made from his chakra.

 

[TheSages456]

Remember when Jiraiya used Deep Fryer technique? Pain effortlessly sucked whole mass of oil.

its a shame that kishimoto said that mokuton was actually living trees. the oil mass was just chakra converted into a different form. hashiramas chakra is merely a source for the trees. your going to need to take this up with kishi not me.

 

[Turson]

its a shame that kishimoto said that mokuton was actually living trees

Yeah, just like oil is just a oil.