Hashirama lost, Madara>>BM Naruto,Naruto is unqualified to be Hokage and Tsunade died

[Nous]

Re: Hashirama lost, Madara>>BM Naruto,Naruto is unqualified to be Hokage and Tsunade

Are you USSJ Future Trunks? Well I believe EMS Madara > Biju Modo Naruto and your idea of Madara waiting for something may be correct in regards to the Jubi or he's waiting for Obito or just waiting for Hashirama. Sasuke seems to care more for the Uchiha Clan than the village but maybe he'll adopt his brothers ideals in time. Naruto has the ideals but not the smarts. Sasuke has the smarts but not the ideals. Maybe they'll share the spot. Itachi however, as you pointed out would have made a magnificent Hokage.

And no, Madara < Hashirama.

 

[narutoblitz]

Re: Hashirama lost, Madara>>BM Naruto,Naruto is unqualified to be Hokage and Tsunade

Could not have stated it better myself, it bugs me when people say their own predictions has if it is the blinding truth, the person is assuming too much and coming out with things that are simply not true. Agreed with everything stated in the person I quoted

Obito != Madara, plus we already saw Obito is a pathological liar. He lied to Sasuke, Nagato and most of the Akatsuki. Chances are he doesn't know how Madara survived his fight with Hashirama. Afterall, he wasn't even alive for it...

 

[cmilius]

Re: Hashirama lost, Madara>>BM Naruto,Naruto is unqualified to be Hokage and Tsunade

It's really is a waste of time posting the fact to your stupid opinion since you more likely haven't read the manga or doesn't understand it. You do realize that naruto haven't even use his full power until now. The reason is because he always split his chakra to others and it was only a clone who tried to hit madara. You obviously in a genjutsu thinking that madara can beat naruto. Naruto haven't Even combine bijuu sage mode yet.

 

[Thorium]

Re: Hashirama lost, Madara>>BM Naruto,Naruto is unqualified to be Hokage and Tsunade

Aren't you the same kid who said he was dropping Naruto?

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lol...

 

[GiftofRah]

Re: Hashirama lost, Madara>>BM Naruto,Naruto is unqualified to be Hokage and Tsunade

I believe your opinion is based unfair untrue and boarder line hating the main character of the manga. First of alot of people don't get what it means to be hokage or a kage period.... It's not just about strength or smarts its more about who the village feels has the best interest of the village and who will protect the KING( the children) as far as strengths goes its more bout bein able to defend and protect the village which I believe naruto is more than capable of doin it. And to speak in narutos strength what makes him and other kage so strong is the will to protect someone dear to them( the village) something we learned in one of the very first arcs of the manga. With that being said we can't just assume this person can beat that person simply based on justu and brain there is always other factors that come into play winning a battle and also if all those shinob Weren't there naruto would be doin way more damage to madara


Now as others stated you shouldn't have came off as mr now it all speaking as you were stating facts instead of your own opinion.
Also naruto has proving to beat the rennegan as well as not being able to fall for genjutsu now I will agree that the combined power of the first hokage and madara is to much for naruto alone but that doesn't mean he can't over come it.
Just look at the manga manga has faced many that were stronger than him yet he stopped all in my opinion he only ever lost to sasuke and that's dabateable

 

[GiftofRah]

Re: Hashirama lost, Madara>>BM Naruto,Naruto is unqualified to be Hokage and Tsunade

I believe your opinion is based unfair untrue and boarder line hating the main character of the manga. First of alot of people don't get what it means to be hokage or a kage period.... It's not just about strength or smarts its more about who the village feels has the best interest of the village and who will protect the KING( the children) as far as strengths goes its more bout bein able to defend and protect the village which I believe naruto is more than capable of doin it. And to speak in narutos strength what makes him and other kage so strong is the will to protect someone dear to them( the village) something we learned in one of the very first arcs of the manga. With that being said we can't just assume this person can beat that person simply based on justu and brain there is always other factors that come into play winning a battle and also if all those shinob Weren't there naruto would be doin way more damage to madara


Now as others stated you shouldn't have came off as mr now it all speaking as you were stating facts instead of your own opinion.
Also naruto has proving to beat the rennegan as well as not being able to fall for genjutsu now I will agree that the combined power of the first hokage and madara is to much for naruto alone but that doesn't mean he can't over come it.
Just look at the manga manga has faced many that were stronger than him yet he stopped all in my opinion he only ever lost to sasuke and that's dabateable

 

[Mr Hiru]

Re: Hashirama lost, Madara>>BM Naruto,Naruto is unqualified to be Hokage and Tsunade

Madara seems to be waiting for something. Probably for perfect Juubi, and he even seems unconcerned with Hashirama clones at the moment. Let's consider the alternatives: Madara is excited because he can show Hashirama something.

We already know that EMS Madara > Naruto BM.

Yes, I just seriously said that Madara is stronger than Naruto But wait you can't say that seriously, narutoblitz! Yes, I can.

Why? Madara defeated Hashirama at the Valley of the End. That's right, folks. The God of Shinobi was defeated. Let us preponder the evidence:

-We don't know how Hashirama died
-Hashirama has NO IDEA how Madara survived, but we know he did
-Real Hashirama corpse: Is in the old Gedo statue in the Obito flashback, though barely visible
-Orochimaru had Hashi cells to create Yamato, implying a connection
-The panel where Hashi "defeats” Madara shows a close-up of Madara's Sharingan

So what happened? Easy. Hashirama was placed under genjutsu in the final fight. He was made to think he had killed Madara. In reality, Madara won. He was never fatally wounded and led a life away from the village. Hashirama cells were taken and used to awaken Rinnegan. The real Hashirama's corpse was added to the statue by a griefstruck Madara. Tobirama never knew.

We see Madara has done some pretty B.A. things since waking up. Consider, again, the logical evidence:

-The dude awoke Rinnegan on his own
-He summoned meteors. Twice.
-Madara wiped out an entire division of the Alliance without breaking a sweat, on his own
-He absolutely slaughtered all 5 Kage, using mere clones, in an OFF SCREEN battle
-Naruto's most powerful attack, TBB, with Naruto in BM mode, was deflected by Madara using one hand using his gunbai

So let's consider that EMS Madara probably was stronger than Hashirama or at least as strong. He dominated the complete Nine Tails. But, but cry the fanboys, Naruto is a perfect Jinch. Irrelevant. The Kyuubi is still subject to being controlled by Rinnegan/EMS. Naruto is immune to genjutsu, but Kurama is NOT. We are also told the Juubi was controlled by Rinnegan.

Madara is unconcerned with the main battle because he can kill Naruto at any given time he wants to. Unless we think BM Naruto is stronger than all 5 Kage combined. Wait I have a comment on that thought:

LOL! KCM Naruto struggled with Raikage alone and nearly died against Edo Nagato. BM Naruto was still not doing all so well against Obito, and that was with Kakashi and Bee's help. The simple reality is that Madara entirely outclasses Naruto in every single way. That\s without considering Edo Tensei or Rinnegan, which means that he can literally cancel all of Naruto's attacks or use Perfect Susanno to murder stomp Naruto and crew whenever, as noted by Obito.

Naruto is too young to be Hokage, and is basically too immature. He was even scolded by Itachi for thinking arrogantly he could end the war on his own. That arrogance led to his near-defeat by Edo Nagato and to needing Itachi's intervention AGAIN to escape defeat by the Edo Jinchuruki and Obito. If Itachi had not defeated Kabuto, then Naruto would have been captured twice over.

Naruto is too unintelligent to be a leader. This is shown time and time again when he lacks the intelligence to do anything except come up with momentary battle plans, and the fact that villains like Madara EASILY see through his clones and all of his cheap tricks. Naruto is likewise too immature to be Hokage, as stated by Kakashi earlier in the series.

After Minato died in the fight against a 16 year old Obito and failed to protect his wife and stop the kyuubi extraction, leadering to the deaths of thousands, Naruto grew up alone and isolated. The fact is that both Itachi and Sasuke would make superior Hokage candidates compared to a joker like Naruto.

So why is Tsunade dead? She got cut in half and told the slug to not revive her. Oh, and that slug just got summoned to the main battle. My guess is we get a time-skip before Naruto maybe becomes Hokage. I am guessing it's more likely that Madara will be defeated by the Power of Love and Friendship, rather than Naruto alone.

You got sources so there are good possibilities that you're right (about Madara and Hashirama). But these are possibilities, these are not proofs at all, so I can only say that you have a nice hypotheses right there... Until proven, that's all I can tell.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Re: Hashirama lost, Madara>>BM Naruto,Naruto is unqualified to be Hokage and Tsunade

There is absolutely nothing indicating that Madara had placed Hashirama in a genjutsu. What is MORE likely that happened is that Madara was stabbed through the torso, and Hashirama either didn't check to see if he was dead or simply, Madara put himself in a death trance like Zabuza did to Haku to give the allusion of it.

Also, I don't truly believe that EMS Madara is stronger than Naruto. Kurama cannot be put into a genjutsu if he is sealed inside of Naruto. The only reason that worked on Kushina is because Tobi made preparations and the seal was weak. If Madara could use Genjutsu to control Kurama, Minato would have found it pointless to seal Kurama inside of Naruto for him to combat a Sharingan user in the future.

And too immature? The fact that he's basically solo'd the entire army using clones states that he's putting on some grown man burdens. Also, realizing his mistake from being arrogant, he now has worked well in tandem with the alliance, overshadowing his previous arrogance.

A clone also beat the Raikage, and you act as though Edo Nagato was a fodder ninja.

While it's true that Obito had Naruto, Bee, Kakashi and Gai, Obito also had access to the Edo Tensei ninja's that Kabuto had prepared for him that were sent to the afterlife. The fact that Obito also had strong ninja on his side, one being a former Kage (Yagura) with unlimited chakra AND Tailed Beasts kind of evens it out.

Yes, you could say that "it was part of his powers" but in reality, they weren't. The fact of the matter is, Obito did not reasonably have those bodies under his control for more than one battle, unlike Nagato who primarily used the Deva Path and other bodies to make up for the fact that he was a cripple.

Meaning that in an average battle, you can count on Obito having the Sharingan, Rinnegan and Mokuton, but nothing more.

Also, it can be reasonably inferred that the Slug that Sakura just summoned was NOT Katsuyu, considering that Gamabunta wasn't summoned and Manda is dead, we can assume that Naruto summoned Gamakichi and that the Sasuke and Sakura summoned two unknown animals that I am assuming to be the "other children" of the Big Three (You know, the whole theme of the next generation surpassing the previous).

Your logic against what Madara has done here so far is flawed. Although he's done great things already, this is correct, you sound like he's in your mouth lol.

1. He awoke Rinnegan on his own, but other than Preta Path and the Meteorite Technique, what has he shown with it?
2. Naruto has a Bijuu capable of making TBB the SIZE of Meteors.

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3. Madara also wiped out a bunch of fodders.... It wasn't like he was taking on a division of Kakashi level ninja, no. They were FODDER except for Gaara, Oonoki and a few others.
4. Agreed.
5. It wasn't a fully powered TBB at all. The sad thing is, I'm sure you know this damn well.