Hashirama Loses To Sasuke Without Plot Shield

[Booker]

Mokuton Bunshin used it.
Yamato gets all his abilities from Hashirama
Hashirama can use it.

Slap yourself for the bold.

Hmmm still haven't proved he has it, circumstancial evidence.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hmmm still haven't proved he has it, circumstancial evidence.

Mokuton Bunshin used it.
Yamato gets all his abilities from Hashirama
Hashirama can use it.

 

[Booker]

Mokuton Bunshin used it.
Yamato gets all his abilities from Hashirama
Hashirama can use it.

Show me a scan where it says EVERY SINGLE ABILITY Yamato has came from Hashirama.

 

[Sky99]

only way sasuke doesn't get stomped by hashi is because of plot shield

 

[KidGamer65]

Show me a scan where it says EVERY SINGLE ABILITY Yamato has came from Hashirama.

Obviously only his Mokuton abilities came from Hashirama. Mokuton abilities are the abilities this whole debate has been about.

-Mokuton Bunshin have shown the ability to merge with their surroundings.
-Edo Madara who has gained Hashirama's DNA is able to merge with his surroundings.
-Zetsu who is a clone of Hashirama can merge with his surroundings.

So you think that they all pulled the same ability out of their ass despite all having Hashirama's cells?

Hashirama can merge with the ground if people who only contain his cells can and his incomplete clone can do it.

When you actually post something worth responding to then I'll reply again.

 

[Booker]

Obviously only his Mokuton abilities came from Hashirama. Mokuton abilities are the abilities this whole debate has been about.

-Mokuton Bunshin have shown the ability to merge with their surroundings.
-Edo Madara who has gained Hashirama's DNA is able to merge with his surroundings.
-Zetsu who is a clone of Hashirama can merge with his surroundings.

So you think that they all pulled the same ability out of their ass despite all having Hashirama's cells?

Hashirama can merge with the ground if people who only contain his cells can and his incomplete clone can do it.

When you actually post something worth responding to then I'll reply again.

Somebodie's intimidated, alright later.

 

[Strict]

Zetsu is said to be a copy of Hashirama with low quality above all. Would anyone say that a cheap copy is blessed with abilities the original doesn't have?

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[Sky99]

most ignorant person ive ever seen (as far as one can see someone on internet forums). kidgamer and everyone else have given much stronger evidence than you have. so far your only argument is: the absence of _____ means it doesn't exist.
sasuke gets stomped by hashi.

 

[TouchMyMangos]

rubbish, kidgamer destroyed you.

 

[Chief Darui]

Didnt Hashi's clone sink into the ground when he stabbed Madara? Im sure if his clone can he can too right? All in all Hashi would stomp holes in Sasuke's whole existence low difficulty. And all this Enton/Amaterasu shit is confusing people...they are the same damn thing enton is just shape manipulation.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

People argue that Madara must have Amatersu to have Susano'o yet we know how the fight between he and Hashirama turned out now don't we?

That's what itachi said. Yet sasuke, and madara don't have it yet they have susanno.
I dont think the requirement is tsukyomi and amaterasu. Its more along the lines of awakening the two unique abilities each ms user has.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Didnt Hashi's clone sink into the ground when he stabbed Madara? Im sure if his clone can he can too right? All in all Hashi would stomp holes in Sasuke's whole existence low difficulty. And all this Enton/Amaterasu shit is confusing people...they are the same damn thing enton is just shape manipulation.

Its not. Itachi doesn't have enton and can only create flames based on what he is looking at. Sasuke can manipulate the flame's outside his point of view and cover his susanno with the flames without having to look at his susanno.

Hashi doesn't have the speed feats to dodge ama yet.

 

[Chief Darui]

Without amaterasu their is no Enton...true or false?

 

[VolatileSoul]

You do have a point OP, though you did get carried away with the whole Hashi doesn't have mayfly thing. Hashirama may be powerful, but he, like everyone else, can be defeated, Sasuke might just so happen to have the tools to do it, but it is not so easy as to hit Hashi with Amaterasu.

That wood bunshin is a real problem, and unless Sasuke can see through it, there is a chance he only hits a fake Hashirama. If he has the element of surprise on his side, and Amaterasu hits, Hashi's could probably heal his injury as fast as the flames damage him. Dodging Amaterasu is something I just don't see Hashirama doing.

Hashirama is not going to go sage mode and use Shinsuusenju in the time it takes to use Amaterasu. In fact, standing still to enter Sage mode would be suicide, if he can't heal of the damage. I don't think he can create an entire forest to hide or defend himself in the time it takes to cast Amaterasu either, but since Amaterasu has a charge time, maybe.

And guys, please remember that it is not always the stronger one that wins the fight.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Without amaterasu their is no Enton...true or false?

False. The technique is called amaterasu. That's what creates the black flames based on eye contact. The flames themselves aren't called amaterasu but "flames of amaterasu" Being flames created from the technique.Moreover, when sasuke covers his susanno in the black flames its not called amaterasu but enton flame manipulation . Two different techs that both produce black flames but the way in which its created is completely different. Amaterasu=/=Enton