Hashirama is weaker than Naruto

MickNerks

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Though I disagree with the points you used to prove your argument. I do believe that at this point naruto is stronger than hashirama.

Wood Dragon is not a good counter as naruto has already escaped it once. And If naruto is in BSM, it is highly possible that the wood dragon will turn to stone if it attempts to absorb his chakra.

Naruto has superior:

Strength
Speed
Reflexes
Sensing abilities
Chakra strength
Chakra Reserves
Arsenal of techniques


Its clear at least to me that naruto is on a level now where he can compete and defeat hashirama.
 

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Though I disagree with the points you used to prove your argument. I do believe that at this point naruto is stronger than hashirama.

Wood Dragon is not a good counter as naruto has already escaped it once. And If naruto is in BSM, it is highly possible that the wood dragon will turn to stone if it attempts to absorb his chakra.

Naruto has superior:

Strength
Speed
Reflexes
Sensing abilities
Chakra strength
Chakra Reserves
Arsenal of techniques


Its clear at least to me that naruto is on a level now where he can compete and defeat hashirama.


Hashirama's a sage, so absorbing natural energy is not a problem since he can control it. Other than that, good post. I'd like to add in something. Most put Hashirama above Naruto because Hashirama's wood style is the weakness bijus, but that logic doesn't work. Kakashi having Obito's eye enables him to beat Obito. Does that mean we should rank Kakashi above Obito? No. It's clear Obito's stronger, but Kakashi is just in possession of his weakness.


Same with Naruto and Hashirama. Naruto's in Hashirama's league. This shouldn't even be debatable.
 

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Jimmies will explode here , I sense KingHashimara is brewin .

OT : Hashimara rapestroys Naruto.

ppl seem to get the two confused.

once logic is trolled and facts/feats are and ppl get mad thats not being rustled or butthurt


once logic is questioned with facts and feasts and ppl get mad that is in essence butthurt and being rustled.


ot- your clearly baiting, hashirama beats naruto low to no diff

His sm mode is supireor


and his wood relesae solos naruto's handed kurama power
 

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Hashirama handily beats him.


Please explain how any of Hashirama's attacks are anywhere near as fast as Obito, or how ranenshuriken can't cut Naruto loose from wood style, or how Hashirama can counter 9 tailed ransengans.
 

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Please explain how any of Hashirama's attacks are anywhere near as fast as Obito, or how ranenshuriken can't cut Naruto loose from wood style, or how Hashirama can counter 9 tailed ransengans.

-They don't need to be. Not seeing how this is relevant.

-Doesn't matter if it can. Did I ever say it'd bind him in the first place?

-He's already blocked Bijuu Dama with little damage, don't bring any Rasengan or its weaker variants into this.

In fact, no attack bar Bijuu Dama is a factor since Hashirama has already tanked Bijuu Dama.
 

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Yes, Hashirama is "weaker" than naruto in the sense that Naruto has:

1) superior DC ( could argue otherwise, however we didnot get a good showing of 1,000 hand bhudda- so until then naruto has > DC) I have seen people calc that 1 punch is a mountain buster meaning hashirama can quite easily destroy 1,000 mountains in moments- but until feats are shown its null)

2) Naruto has speed + reactions superior than hashirama has shown

3) have same/similar durability- naruto can tank his own biju dama + juubi lazer,- non sage mode hashirama bunkers down in mokujin and tanks bijudama- so they both have rediculous durability potential.

So, if naruto characters had power levels,- since naruto has more speed and power and the same/similar defense as hashi ( feat wise) he is superior.
-So yes, it is very possible that Naruto > hashirama from that perspective. However, remmeber hashirama is haxed.

-Mokuton is a omnydiretional attack that 99% of ninja cannot dodge, the last .9% go to sleep because of pollon. My point is that, sure in a 1v1 Naruto has the ability to win ( if we assume hashirama would be unable to subdue kuruma) however, against most ninja, hashirama has the advantage.

so, lets say both hashirama and naruto are surrounded by jounin level ninja,
both hashirama and naruto would win almost neg diff- however hashirama would have an easier time.
-hashirama claps his hands, and instantly a forest blooms around defeating all his enemies ( wethor they get cut/crushed or inhale pollen )- remember Madara created a forest easily as a edo with some hashi cells- hashirama himself could probably create a forest the size of konoha near instantly.

-In order for naruto to win, he could create 1,000 clones and fight or transform into BM and roar/bijudama- but all of that is much more effort and less sublte than hashirama senju's way of acting.

-furthermore, not everthying is about power. hashirama creating forests is more usefull than most think-
-most likely can provide food for a entre village, can grow destroyed habits, restore vitality to dieing places.

Conclusion
Naruto may be more powerful in a sense- but I would argue that at that point,- having that much power is largly useless for most situtaions that might occur in the narutoverse.- In general, hashirama is much better rounded than naruto.
 

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-They don't need to be. Not seeing how this is relevant.

-Doesn't matter if it can. Did I ever say it'd bind him in the first place?

-He's already blocked Bijuu Dama with little damage, don't bring any Rasengan or its weaker variants into this.

In fact, no attack bar Bijuu Dama is a factor since Hashirama has already tanked Bijuu Dama.


Do you really want me to go in depth with why I think Naruto doesn't get curb stomped with evidence supporting it? If so, that will take a while.
 

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Do you really want me to go in depth with why I think Naruto doesn't get curb stomped with evidence supporting it? If so, that will take a while.

You'd be wasting your time since I don't think he gets curb stomped.
 

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Kidgamer65 is right. Hashirama stomps Naruto.
 

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Hashirama wins with moderate difficulty.
 

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BM Kurama Cloak isn't doing anything

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bye Chakra
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The Golum Stops TBB
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and naruto has no way to defend himself soo, he has to block
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Hashirama Be lettin His Wood FIght allday
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You'd be wasting your time since I don't think he gets curb stomped.

Really, I thought you said he beats him handily, which means easily. If you meant certainly, my bad.

BM Kurama Cloak isn't doing anything

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and naruto has no way to defend himself soo, he has to block
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Hashirama Be lettin His Wood FIght allday
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This tears it. I'm making the post later today, that demonstrates just how overpowered BSM is, and how things like this won't work.
 

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Really, I thought you said he beats him handily, which means easily. If you meant certainly, my bad.

lol, it does mean easily, but I guess I didn't use the right word.

He beats him, but not easily, not too hard either. Probably upper mid difficulty. I'm interested in this post you have anyway..so I'll check it out.

Also, easily doesn't mean stomp or curbstomp, which is even worse than a stomp.
 

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Hashirama beats him mid diff. Not a stomp match though.
 

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Hashirama's a sage, so absorbing natural energy is not a problem since he can control it. Other than that, good post. I'd like to add in something. Most put Hashirama above Naruto because Hashirama's wood style is the weakness bijus, but that logic doesn't work. Kakashi having Obito's eye enables him to beat Obito. Does that mean we should rank Kakashi above Obito? No. It's clear Obito's stronger, but Kakashi is just in possession of his weakness.


Same with Naruto and Hashirama. Naruto's in Hashirama's league. This shouldn't even be debatable.

Good point.. In response to the wood dragon, it is the technique itself that absorbs naruto's chakra, not hashirama. And since wood dragon isn't a sage based technique, it will suffer the same fate as preta path did in a attempt to absorb naruto's chakra.


Also, a point people tend to overlook is that hashirama's mokuton has negative side effects when it comes in contact with naruto.. His mokuton clones will become trees and loose the ability to fight.

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And also the wood dragon showed similar side effects. It started growing tree from its body..
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Which shows that naruto's version of the kyuubi actually gives him a benefit in using it against hashirama.
 

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Really, I thought you said he beats him handily, which means easily. If you meant certainly, my bad.




This tears it. I'm making the post later today, that demonstrates just how overpowered BSM is, and how things like this won't work.

SOrry. it will
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If this is Holding down Juubi
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naruto is gettign Pumped
 
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