Hashirama is the strongest

[Lord Tywin]

First manga scan is only showing that Indra incarnated inside Sasuke, which we all knew
I already proved the second one wrong, as Indra's and Ashura's chakra in that context means Uchiha and Senju chakra. After all, they were both Uchiha and Senju, right?
As for the last scan, that is to be expected as Indra reincarnated into Naruto so of course Hagoromo would sense his son's chakra in Naruto as his spirit was in him. My question is, what special skills did Naruto receive from having Indra in him or Sasuke with Ashura? Rasengan? No. SM? No. Kyuubi? No, so what the exactly are trying to prove here?

Incarnates have no affect on their hosts power, PERIOD.

first scan shows hashiram was reincarnation of Ashura.
you didn't prove second wrong because Ashura and Indra's chakra only cling to one person. Just as sage told naruto that ashura's chakra is clinging to him, since naruto was a reincarnation of ashura like hashi.
On third scan we haven't seen the full extent of Naruto's power. we might see the mode Ashura had

 

[KingHashirama]

first scan shows hashiram was reincarnation of Ashura.
you didn't prove second wrong because Ashura and Indra's chakra only cling to one person. Just as sage told naruto that ashura's chakra is clinging to him, since naruto was a reincarnation of ashura like hashi.
On third scan we haven't seen the full extent of Naruto's power. we might see the mode Ashura had

won't be the same as Ashura.

Unless Ashura was also powered up by 10-mini tailed beasts, and rikudou's senjutsu.

 

[apsri]

Some people here really have no understanding of how they were the reincarnations.

1. Hashirama is more powerful than Ashura. Now if you want to claim Ashura is more powerful, I demand feats, or i demand the statements. Since thats the card most of you guys play

2. Madara is more powerful than Indra.

3. Hashirama was Ashura reincarnated however, he was not Ashura number 2. He was Sage of the 6 Paths number 2. Anyone wanna try to prove me wrong on this? come on..... go ahead, you won't be able to.

4. As I recall Naruto has the bijuus inside of him. Hashirama was able to restrain a 7/9 powered juubi... with the great gates of god. Does Naruto even come close? no. But eh i'm 50-50 on this thing either way. Though from current statements Naruto has said to surpass the Hokage.. However, the man who said it isn't really that credible....

5. Hashirama is the embodiment of the Juubi's skin/body (not gedo mazo) but the thing the juubi is made of aka Mokuton.

6. 8th gate Gai..... come on dude are you serious... all Hashirama has to do is switch with a wood clone to troll Gai.. .

1) We have a lack of feats, true, but the implication is strong that Ashura and Indra were half as powerful as the Sage, and in the manga scan we saw of Ashura and Indra fighting each other, Ashura's cloak, along with the black spheres, looked an awful lot like the Senjutsu of the Six Paths with the Gudou Damas. Still, I accept that this is speculation and hypothesising, and not solid evidence, so I concede.

2) Indra showed a Perfect Susano'o. That's, at the very least, in the same ballpark as EMS Madara. Also, Madara's eyes are actually Izuna's eyes that also have his chakra infused with them (since they are connected to his brain), and that resulted in the EMS. Indra, on the other hand, had a natural eternal MS, since he had nobody's eyes to steal take. The latest manga chapter has implied that original ownership makes a difference to ocular strength, at least with the Rinnegan. Indra's Sharingan is either derived from the Juubi's Eye or a mutation of the Sage's Rinnegan. Either way, the two eyes are connected, so it's entirely possible that the same applies to the Sharingan.

3) You're the one making the claim, so you have to prove it, not anyone else.

4) Naruto has the Senjutsu of the Six Paths. He was able to stomp on Madara a few chapters ago. Agreed, Madara was a bloody mess when Naruto did that, but Madara is the Juubi jinchuuriki now. When he beat Hashirama, he was an Edo, and he didn't have his Sage Mode either. Naruto has undoubtedly surpassed Hashirama now. Also, Madara is more powerful than Obito was when he was the Juubi jinchuuriki, and he beat Hashirama without much effort (although I agree that Hashirama left soon to deal with Edo Madara, so they didn't fight properly).

5) Agreed.

6) Agreed, and even then that's a draw at best since both die.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

first scan shows hashiram was reincarnation of Ashura.
you didn't prove second wrong because Ashura and Indra's chakra only cling to one person. Just as sage told naruto that ashura's chakra is clinging to him, since naruto was a reincarnation of ashura like hashi.
On third scan we haven't seen the full extent of Naruto's power. we might see the mode Ashura had

1. Obviously. We knew that he was a reincarnation of Ashura, we're trying to establish what this had to do with his powers. Also, Uchiha+Senju=Sage by logic. If we were to combine Naruto and Sasuke prior to their recent power-ups, they would not make the sage as Uzumaki and Namikaze bloodlines aren't directly linked with the Sage. That is why "Indra and Ashura's chakra" in that context in the manga means Uchiha and Senju because Indra and Ashura are the fathers of those clans.

2. Naruto never received any powers from having Ashura in him, so why would Hashirama be an exception? Naruto's current power is not Ashura's, bro it's the Sage's power himself. The same applies for Sasuke, he got absolutely no powers from having Indra in him and his current powers is the Sage's (i.e rinnegan, which Indra did not have).

 

[Lord Tywin]

won't be the same as Ashura.

Unless Ashura was also powered up by 10-mini tailed beasts, and rikudou's senjutsu.

i never said the same I said the same chakra. different people but same chakra

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Nope Madara was winning their last fight and just when hash pulled out his best move mad trolled him stole his dna and became the force he is now

Kyubi couldn't think for it self so it wasn't a out side force

 

[Vapid]

yeah, he won't only beat him, he would wipe the living sh!t out of him before he kills him. Lol
even JJ, SM, Rinnegan madara was almost killed by gai. Lol

oh, and Hashirama's chakra is from the Tree as well, so it's a borrowed power. :0

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*smh* *facepalm* *suicide*

1. I said Hashirama wins, which he does, high-diff.
2. Good job contradicting yourself; Gai has chakra as well, so your point is moot.

 

[apsri]

Nope Madara was winning their last fight and just when hash pulled out his best move mad trolled him stole his dna and became the force he is now

Kyubi couldn't think for it self so it wasn't a out side force

Er, yeah, yeah it was.

There are no words to describe the stupidity in your statement.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Nope Madara was winning their last fight and just when hash pulled out his best move mad trolled him stole his dna and became the force he is now

Kyubi couldn't think for it self so it wasn't a out side force

LOL, Kyuubi was an outside force! Just because Madara subjugated its powers doesn't mean that they were naturally his. If he hadn't have had Kyuubi, Hashirama would have owned from the start.
Nice try though.

 

[KingHashirama]

1) We have a lack of feats, true, but the implication is strong that Ashura and Indra were half as powerful as the Sage, and in the manga scan we saw of Ashura and Indra fighting each other, Ashura's cloak, along with the black spheres, looked an awful lot like the Senjutsu of the Six Paths with the Gudou Damas. Still, I accept that this is speculation and hypothesising, and not solid evidence, so I concede.

2) Indra showed a Perfect Susano'o. That's, at the very least, in the same ballpark as EMS Madara. Also, Madara's eyes are actually Izuna's eyes that also have his chakra infused with them (since they are connected to his brain), and that resulted in the EMS. Indra, on the other hand, had a natural eternal MS, since he had nobody's eyes to steal take. The latest manga chapter has implied that original ownership makes a difference to ocular strength, at least with the Rinnegan. Indra's Sharingan is either derived from the Juubi's Eye or a mutation of the Sage's Rinnegan. Either way, the two eyes are connected, so it's entirely possible that the same applies to the Sharingan.

3) You're the one making the claim, so you have to prove it, not anyone else.

4) Naruto has the Senjutsu of the Six Paths. He was able to stomp on Madara a few chapters ago. Agreed, Madara was a bloody mess when Naruto did that, but Madara is the Juubi jinchuuriki now. When he beat Hashirama, he was an Edo, and he didn't have his Sage Mode either. Naruto has undoubtedly surpassed Hashirama now. Also, Madara is more powerful than Obito was when he was the Juubi jinchuuriki, and he beat Hashirama without much effort (although I agree that Hashirama left soon to deal with Edo Madara, so they didn't fight properly).

5) Agreed.

6) Agreed, and even then that's a draw at best since both die.

1. There is no such implication as that. Unless you can lead me to that implication. But again, I'm gonna take someone who has the juubi's own body as a kkg, and the strongest SM known.. and the highest reserves known without being a jinchuriki. Also, Naruto's yellow cloak is Ashura's chakra following through him.

2.Actually you are false on that. They WERE Izuna's eyes. Just like how Madara credit's Sasuke's current eyes as Sasuke's own eyes.. even though they previously belonged to Itachi. However, the make up of the eyes was changed. And the fact that he has a EMS is actually what puts Madara superior to Indra. Where is the proof he had a natural EMS? there is none. EMS =MS.. there really is no difference, besides the fact that one doesn't cause bleeding. And also, Madara's rinnegan is also from Izuna's eyes.. but again are referred to as Madara's eyes.. not Izuna's.

3. I said prove me wrong if you want. Go ahead and answer my other questions i posed to the other mate. I don't have to either.. You people are the ones claiming Hashirama is Ashura number 2.. right? But you aren't proving it either.. just saying he has Ashura's chakra.. so what? I have my dad's blood doesn't mean i'm a second clone of him. Hell i might be more like my Grandpa.

4. Stomped a Madara who was still injured and wasn't able to heal, and is for some reason restricted to the things he can use.. please you have to be kidding me. And show me Obito beating Hashirama first.

6. Why would it be a draw if Hashirama isn't even fighting.. but switched out with a wood clone..

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

I'll conclude with this, Hashirama is the strongest, most skilled shinobi born with his own powers (no outside powers, no tailed beasts). No other shinobi would be able to amount to him w/o outside powers (other than Hagoromo and his mother).
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