Hashirama is the strongest

[Ababeel]

At the cost of his life, he could give Hashirama a run for his money, but there is no guarantee that Guy would prevail... Hashi's wounds would heal automatically and Guy would be on the ground dying.

- It does not matter, it's his own power.
- You asked who's stronger, and Gai is stronger. As for the "win" it depends, Hashirama got killed by some fodders in the first war as well and his power alone did not help him.

- lol, no, his healing is useless against Gai

Eight Gates Gai doesn't beat Sage Mode Hashirama.

yeah, he won't only beat him, he would wipe the living sh!t out of him before he kills him. Lol
even JJ, SM, Rinnegan madara was almost killed by gai. Lol

oh, and Hashirama's chakra is from the Tree as well, so it's a borrowed power. :0

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[HashiramaDescendant]

it seems you can't even read. sage clearly said that madara took chakra from Ashura, which was hashirama at that point, and fused it with his chakra, which was indra's, and awakened rinnegan. Naruto and Sasuke's chakra right now merged together would give birth to sage because they have Indra's and Ashura's chakra

No, your logic can simply be dismissed as Indra is the father of Uchiha which Madara is and Ashura is the father of the Senju which Hashirama is. It's because Uchiha+Senju=Hagoromo, not because Hashirama received any powers from Ashura.
Naruto and Sasuke right now merged together would equal the sage, that's because the SAGE GAVE THEM POWER-UPS DIRECTLY.

In case you missed that, Naruto and Sasuke do not have Indra and Ashura's power, they have power from the Sage himself. Prior to this power-up, they had not received any chakra from Indra nor Ashura. Unless you want to point out in the manga where it was stated that Naruto and sasuke did in fact receive chakra from Ashura and Indra respectively before dying?

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

- It does not matter, it's his own power.
- You asked who's stronger, and Gai is stronger. As for the "win" it depends, Hashirama got killed by some fodders in the first war as well and his power alone did not help him.

- lol, no, his healing is useless against Gai



yeah, he won't only beat him, he would wipe the living sh!t out of him before he kills him. Lol
even JJ, SM, Rinnegan madara was almost killed by gai. Lol

oh, and Hashirama's chakra is from the Tree as well, so it's a borrowed power. :0

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1. We don't know how Hashirama died or who killed him or even if he was directly killed by someone, so that notion can simply be dismissed.
2. The premises of strength in this regard comes from who would survive in battle. Frankly, if it takes Guy risking his life when it is not even guaranteed that he'll kill Hashirama, then it's obvious who is stronger. Can 8 gates see past durable SM wood clones? I didn't think so lol.

 

[KingHashirama]

Some people here really have no understanding of how they were the reincarnations.

1. Hashirama is more powerful than Ashura. Now if you want to claim Ashura is more powerful, I demand feats, or i demand the statements. Since thats the card most of you guys play

2. Madara is more powerful than Indra.

3. Hashirama was Ashura reincarnated however, he was not Ashura number 2. He was Sage of the 6 Paths number 2. Anyone wanna try to prove me wrong on this? come on..... go ahead, you won't be able to.

4. As I recall Naruto has the bijuus inside of him. Hashirama was able to restrain a 7/9 powered juubi... with the great gates of god. Does Naruto even come close? no. But eh i'm 50-50 on this thing either way. Though from current statements Naruto has said to surpass the Hokage.. However, the man who said it isn't really that credible....

5. Hashirama is the embodiment of the Juubi's skin/body (not gedo mazo) but the thing the juubi is made of aka Mokuton.

6. 8th gate Gai..... come on dude are you serious... all Hashirama has to do is switch with a wood clone to troll Gai.. .

 

[Youngkhalifa]

I truly belive Hashirama can defeat gai using 8gates because the only technique he has that would kill hashirama is the Night Gai the other techniques Hashi would rapid regenerate from and before he could use Night Gai Hashi could out smart gai and replace himself with a wood clone, hide underground then gai is done.

Just My Opinion.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Some people here really have no understanding of how they were the reincarnations.

1. Hashirama is more powerful than Ashura. Now if you want to claim Ashura is more powerful, I demand feats, or i demand the statements. Since thats the card most of you guys play

2. Madara is more powerful than Indra.

3. Hashirama was Ashura reincarnated however, he was not Ashura number 2. He was Sage of the 6 Paths number 2. Anyone wanna try to prove me wrong on this? come on..... go ahead, you won't be able to.

4. As I recall Naruto has the bijuus inside of him. Hashirama was able to restrain a 7/9 powered juubi... with the great gates of god. Does Naruto even come close? no. But eh i'm 50-50 on this thing either way. Though from current statements Naruto has said to surpass the Hokage.. However, the man who said it isn't really that credible....

5. Hashirama is the embodiment of the Juubi's skin/body (not gedo mazo) but the thing the juubi is made of aka Mokuton.

6. 8th gate Gai..... come on dude are you serious... all Hashirama has to do is switch with a wood clone to troll Gai.. .

I agree with all, especially number 8.
Guy would be owning SM wood clones while Hashi is sitting back watching Guy kill himself.

 

[KingHashirama]

I agree with all, especially number 8.
Guy would be owning SM wood clones while Hashi is sitting back watching Guy kill himself.

I don't get why people don't think that "wood clone" is a dangerous technique. I mean yo its the technique that trolled Madara. And Madara himself admit his eye prowess is the only thing that can see through it. (and now Sasuke of course).

 

[Lord Tywin]

No, your logic can simply be dismissed as Indra is the father of Uchiha which Madara is and Ashura is the father of the Senju which Hashirama is. It's because Uchiha+Senju=Hagoromo, not because Hashirama received any powers from Ashura.
Naruto and Sasuke right now merged together would equal the sage, that's because the SAGE GAVE THEM POWER-UPS DIRECTLY.

In case you missed that, Naruto and Sasuke do not have Indra and Ashura's power, they have power from the Sage himself. Prior to this power-up, they had not received any chakra from Indra nor Ashura. Unless you want to point out in the manga where it was stated that Naruto and sasuke did in fact receive chakra from Ashura and Indra respectively before dying?

you seriously can't read

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read these scans again. Manga>you speculation

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"Ashura's chakra is flowing in you"
Yet I'm coming up with manga scans and you're just using your logic

 

[Huzaifa]

This is kinda worse than itachi solo king threads in my opinion. At least you are sure they are trolling and trying to enjoy the moment and people also enjoy them. Hashi wank threads are just sad.

 

[apsri]

where would Hashirama be without mokuton? He was the only one in senju with mokuton because he inherited something others didn't and it was ashura's chakra

That would mean that Ashura himself had Mokuton, which hasn't been confirmed by the manga, and, logically, should mean that Naruto should have Mokuton.

 

[Jon Snow.]

Nah,8 gates Gai whoops him...then dies afterwards lel.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Some people here really have no understanding of how they were the reincarnations.

1. Hashirama is more powerful than Ashura. Now if you want to claim Ashura is more powerful, I demand feats, or i demand the statements. Since thats the card most of you guys play

2. Madara is more powerful than Indra.

3. Hashirama was Ashura reincarnated however, he was not Ashura number 2. He was Sage of the 6 Paths number 2. Anyone wanna try to prove me wrong on this? come on..... go ahead, you won't be able to.

4. As I recall Naruto has the bijuus inside of him. Hashirama was able to restrain a 7/9 powered juubi... with the great gates of god. Does Naruto even come close? no. But eh i'm 50-50 on this thing either way. Though from current statements Naruto has said to surpass the Hokage.. However, the man who said it isn't really that credible....

5. Hashirama is the embodiment of the Juubi's skin/body (not gedo mazo) but the thing the juubi is made of aka Mokuton.

6. 8th gate Gai..... come on dude are you serious... all Hashirama has to do is switch with a wood clone to troll Gai.. .

1. we don't know what ashura can do, but with feats hashi rapes ashura.

2. Same with number 1

3. Sage number 2? the only one besides sage with his chakra is Madara

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4. Naruto cut down god tree. Madara broke through the gates with force alone. Naruto>Madara in strength since naruto is all about body powers.

5, 6. Agree with both

 

[Darkas]

I agree with all, especially number 8.
Guy would be owning SM wood clones while Hashi is sitting back watching Guy kill himself.

Hashirama got fodder by Obito, so it doesn't matter what you say. Everything you base are just a bunch of assumptions.

 

[KingHashirama]

This is kinda worse than itachi solo king threads in my opinion. At least you are sure they are trolling and trying to enjoy the moment and people also enjoy them. Hashi wank threads are just sad.

Ahhh a Itachi troll thread supporter.

1. we don't know what ashura can do, but with feats hashi rapes ashura.

2. Same with number 1

3. Sage number 2? the only one besides sage with his chakra is Madara

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4. Naruto cut down god tree. Madara broke through the gates with force alone. Naruto>Madara in strength since naruto is all about body powers.

5, 6. Agree with both

1. Point exactly. If their power was superior to Hashirama and Madara's Madara would've made no hesitation to tell us by now.
3. You are looking at it physically. Let me ask you this.

Who brought peace to the world? Ashura or Rikudou?
Who stopped a chaotic time? Ashura or Rikudou?
Who created a system to establish peace? Ashura or Rikudou?
Who was the Shinobi no Kami? Ashura or Rikudou?
Who was the most feared man during his time? Ashura or Rikudou?

4. Yes he did. A great feat that had to do with his technique. But also, are you comparing the SM powered gates that were 100x the size of gamakichi to those petty gates a weakened Hashirama with hardly any chakra used on Madara who also was drained out of chakra? Manga so far shows us, only the Juubi's jinchuriki is superior to Hashirama..

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

you seriously can't read

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read these scans again. Manga>you speculation

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"Ashura's chakra is flowing in you"
Yet I'm coming up with manga scans and you're just using your logic

First manga scan is only showing that Indra incarnated inside Sasuke, which we all knew
I already proved the second one wrong, as Indra's and Ashura's chakra in that context means Uchiha and Senju chakra. After all, they were both Uchiha and Senju, right?
As for the last scan, that is to be expected as Indra reincarnated into Naruto so of course Hagoromo would sense his son's chakra in Naruto as his spirit was in him. My question is, what special skills did Naruto receive from having Indra in him or Sasuke with Ashura? Rasengan? No. SM? No. Kyuubi? No, so what the exactly are trying to prove here?

Incarnates have no affect on their hosts power, PERIOD.

 

[DaileyM]

This is kinda worse than itachi solo king threads in my opinion. At least you are sure they are trolling and trying to enjoy the moment and people also enjoy them. Hashi wank threads are just sad.

And kind of boring.

 

[KishimotoSeishi]

Hashirama Senju, founder of Konoha, is still the God of Shinobi. I can't think of one character without outside power from different clans (except for the shinobi progenitors, Kaguya and Hagoromo) who can defeat him.
I bet you can't either. That is why I established this thread- to see if anyone wants to try and see who is better than Hashirama without tailed beasts and outside clan powers/DNA. Good luck! LOL.

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[HashiramaDescendant]

Hashirama got fodder by Obito, so it doesn't matter what you say. Everything you base are just a bunch of assumptions.

What? "Hashirama got fodder by Obito"--- what do you mean by that? Lol

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

That would mean that Ashura himself had Mokuton, which hasn't been confirmed by the manga, and, logically, should mean that Naruto should have Mokuton.

EXACTLY. This should end this matter, well said.

 

[Senpou]

Agreed. Hashirama was born superior and died with the everlasting title "God of Shinobi" .