Hashirama is the strongest

[HashiramaDescendant]

Free Ashura chakra yay!

Gai 8th Gate >

Hashirama would just automatically heal after the fight like Madara did. Guy would then die in vain.

 

[Lord Tywin]

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Prime Hiruzen > Hashi

Kishi > you

I've yet to see how fodderuzen counters Flower Tree World

 

[Mark Sanchez]

I've yet to see how fodderuzen counters Flower Tree World

Sigh again

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[Ababeel]

That must be why he was the first Hokage to be defeated, and the most useless one by far. Lol

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

How is it funny, mangaphaxs say that Prime Hiruzen > Hashi

Old Hiruzen beat Hashi and Tobirama

Yeah, with only 25 percent of their full power.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Kabuto with ET stomps Hashi

Doesn't count. That's considered power from different clans or outside powers overall.
Try again.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Stop please Hashirama can defeat Kabuto

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Edo Madara and Nagato are enough to beat Hashirama. Kabuto has dozens of strong shinobi which together would rape hashirama

 

[Ashura San]

Yeah, with only 25 percent of their full power.

Hiruzen's power was also greatly lessened due to his age.

 

[Lord Tywin]

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the range of that attack is pathetic compared to this

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Flower tree world would fodderize hiruzen

 

[Lord Tywin]

Doesn't count. That's considered power from different clans or outside powers overall.
Try again.

By your logic hashi wouldn't be strong because he had Ashura's chakra.

 

[Zen Uchiha]

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Edo Madara and Nagato are enough to beat Hashirama. Kabuto has dozens of strong shinobi which together would rape hashirama

I was talking about Hashi and Kabuto 1v1 not Kabuto with 100 k zetsu's lool

 

[Vapid]

Hashirama being the strongest, excluding the Hagaromo and Kaguya (Hashirama could beat Indra and Ashura, high-diff, imo), without outside/given/borrowed powers is not debatable; it's pretty much fact.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Hiruzen's power was also greatly lessened due to his age.

Which is exactly why that battle was irrelevant in proving who was stronger.
Hiruzen has not shown anything that puts him above Hashirama at 100%. The only people Hashi said were stronger than him were people with Juubi chakra (e.g people w/ outside powers).

 

[Lord Tywin]

I was talking about Hashi and Kabuto 1v1 not Kabuto with 100 k zetsu's lool

I know kabuto can't beat hashirama alone, even though sound genjutsu might pull it off if he is fast enough to use it

 

[Darkas]

Which is exactly why that battle was irrelevant in proving who was stronger.
Hiruzen has not shown anything that puts him above Hashirama at 100%. The only people Hashi said were stronger than him were people with Juubi chakra (e.g people w/ outside powers).

Naruto is stronger then Hashi with just Ashura power; and Ashura power is technically not borrow since he is reincarnated into Ashura / Hagoromo. So basically it is apart of his power, even the Senjutsu mode.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

By your logic hashi wouldn't be strong because he had Ashura's chakra.

Please show me where in the manga he has Ashura's chakra? Ashura simply reincarnated into him because they shared similar ideologies, much like all those who he reincarnated before Hashi.

 

[xcoyote]

Hashirama being the strongest, excluding the Hagaromo and Kaguya (Hashirama could beat Indra and Ashura, high-diff, imo), without outside/given/borrowed powers is not debatable; it's pretty much fact.

This!
(10 chars)

 

[Flakez]

Please show me where in the manga he has Ashura's chakra? Ashura simply reincarnated into him because they shared similar ideologies, much like all those who he reincarnated before Hashi.

Hashirama and Naruto are the only reincarnations, so that makes them special. And strong as f*ck obviously.

 

[HashiramaDescendant]

Naruto is stronger then Hashi with just Ashura power; and Ashura power is technically not borrow since he is reincarnated into Ashura / Hagoromo. So basically it is apart of his power, even the Senjutsu mode.

They never received any powers from Indra nor Ashura. They are simply reincarnating into them because they share similar ideologies.
That being said, Hashirama stomps Naruto w/o outside powers, period.

 

[Ashura San]

Which is exactly why that battle was irrelevant in proving who was stronger.
Hiruzen has not shown anything that puts him above Hashirama at 100%. The only people Hashi said were stronger than him were people with Juubi chakra (e.g people w/ outside powers).

I agree completely. I never agreed that Hiruzen > Hashi.
But I don't agree with Hashi being the strongest.
What do you say to Hashi going against people like Minato, Obito, or Pain?
Not saying he couldn't kill Minato but it'd be rather hard b/c of FTG but the other two I seriously doubt he'd beat.