Hashirama is overhyped

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If we take hashirama based on his actions vs the hype he has been given, it doesn't add up. We have seen hashirama in a fight before and he doesn't live up to the hype he was given. It was already said that the 2nd hokage didn't perfect the technique and orochimaru perfected it. Kabuto took the technique even further by controlling dozens of edo tensei.

Other factors to take into consideration is even with hashirama's "hype" that hiruzen is well aware of since he was his student, he was more concerned with stopping the third one. Even though we all know the third one wouldn't of worked regardless, his intentions were to make sure it never came up for fear of the 4th hokage.



Even the ANBU are fully aware that the first and second were the best, yet with that knowledge hiruzen still was more concerned about the third coffin.



On this page it shows orochimaru returning them to their true forms. (which also could be used as evidence showing how madara was able to keep his form against hashirama but clearly aged to see nagato I think that's pretty neat)



This page dictates that they were complete. Now I know for a fact that a complete edo tensei isn't lacking in skill, as we all saw when kabuto erased nagatos personality.



So arguing that they were weaker then what is presented now, is a fail argument. Iruka even said he was known as the strongest hokage, and iruka was around for the 4th hokage as well.

Both characters are extremely over hyped, but everyone forgets that based on what both characters have displayed without hype, hiruzen still took the victory.
 

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If we take hashirama based on his actions vs the hype he has been given, it doesn't add up. We have seen hashirama in a fight before and he doesn't live up to the hype he was given. It was already said that the 2nd hokage didn't perfect the technique and orochimaru perfected it. Kabuto took the technique even further by controlling dozens of edo tensei.

Other factors to take into consideration is even with hashirama's "hype" that hiruzen is well aware of since he was his student, he was more concerned with stopping the third one. Even though we all know the third one wouldn't of worked regardless, his intentions were to make sure it never came up for fear of the 4th hokage.



Even the ANBU are fully aware that the first and second were the best, yet with that knowledge hiruzen still was more concerned about the third coffin.



On this page it shows orochimaru returning them to their true forms. (which also could be used as evidence showing how madara was able to keep his form against hashirama but clearly aged to see nagato I think that's pretty neat)



This page dictates that they were complete. Now I know for a fact that a complete edo tensei isn't lacking in skill, as we all saw when kabuto erased nagatos personality.



So arguing that they were weaker then what is presented now, is a fail argument. Iruka even said he was known as the strongest hokage, and iruka was around for the 4th hokage as well.

Both characters are extremely over hyped, but everyone forgets that based on what both characters have displayed without hype, hiruzen still took the victory.

LOL, Hashi is not overhyped..he is the strongest and you gotta admit it, if based on what characters have displayed without hype, Hiruzen>So6p because he have seen none of So6p's ability :rolleyes: what we have seen about Hashi is him as an imperfect Edo, and you can't prove me wrong unless Kishi decide to show all of his power. So Hashi's hype > your argument
 

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It's obvious Kishi just changed his mind about this.
 

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It's obvious Kishi just changed his mind about this.

Obviously. Shodaimes power back then was nothing compared to his current strength and this has nothing to do with Orochimarus inability to use Edo Tensei but with the fact that Kishimoto didn't consider to what the Manga will turn to. Madara with a few of Hashiramas DNA can use a large scale Mokuton with flowers which can cover the entry landscape. So what is about the original Hashirama who possesses the original Kekkei Kenkai and the DNA everyone is seeking for?
 

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AnBU - Hiruzen is the strongest

Madara - Hashirama is the strongest


so who are you going to believe? -.-
 

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LOL, Hashi is not overhyped..he is the strongest and you gotta admit it, if based on what characters have displayed without hype, Hiruzen>So6p because he have seen none of So6p's ability :rolleyes: what we have seen about Hashi is him as an imperfect Edo, and you can't prove me wrong unless Kishi decide to show all of his power. So Hashi's hype > your argument

That doesn't make any sense. The manga has never stated hashirama to be the strongest hokage at any point in time. No hokage has ever been stated to be the strongest except for hiruzen. He cannot be an imperfect edo as it was stated that orochimaru perfected edo tensei.
 

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AnBU - Hiruzen is the strongest

Madara - Hashirama is the strongest


so who are you going to believe? -.-

The AnBU. Not being ignorant, but someone who has been around longer then madara, knows more information on the current timeline and powers between the kages.
 

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The AnBU. Not being ignorant, but someone who has been around longer then madara, knows more information on the current timeline and powers between the kages.

ok, this is your opinion and is respected
 

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ok, this is your opinion and is respected

It wouldn't make any sense to believe someone who has been dead since the early stages of the second shinobi world war on whose the strongest. That's like having some revived from Rome's pinnacle of power, they say rome is the strongest nation, and everyone believes it. Its obviously not true since they haven't been around nor kept up to date with the ever changing flow of power.
 

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The AnBU. Not being ignorant, but someone who has been around longer then madara, knows more information on the current timeline and powers between the kages.

one of the anbus actually didnt know who hashi and tobirama was lool
 

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one of the anbus actually didnt know who hashi and tobirama was lool

this ^

OP the nick "Unbiased" doesn't suit you... just saying.
And it was obvious that Edo Hashirama and Tobirama was weak because Oro couldn't used them to their potential.
 

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The AnBU. Not being ignorant, but someone who has been around longer then madara, knows more information on the current timeline and powers between the kages.



Have anything remotely intelligent to say?

I see someone saying the Lords and a clueless ANBU. Whatever makes you feel better.

"Who on earth are those two" said an ANBU.
Madaras word > ANBU
 

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I see someone saying the Lords and a clueless ANBU. Whatever makes you feel better.

back then when someone spitted some water it was already a impressive feat
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this is how mokuton was back then
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how it is now, and dont you tell me that hashirama's mokuton is weaker then madara's
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a few fire, water and earth techniques were a hokage level battle LOL
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these are naruto battles nowadays
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these are battles in naruto nowadays, not some fire spitting and water spitting and earth spitting and a few branches techniques, naruto has changed alot
 

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The AnBU. Not being ignorant, but someone who has been around longer then madara, knows more information on the current timeline and powers between the kages.

Madara is probably at an old age, those anbu are like in their twenties... Do you mean combat experience or knowledge on the 3rd hokage.
 

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I'm honestly getting pissed off, because i've seen about a dozen of these threads the past week. Go away with this b.s., pleaseeeeeeeeeeee
 

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Overhyped by who? Kishi? You guys must believe his powers are actually fairytale despite kabuto is saying
 
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