Hashirama doesn't fit the Criteria of a Reincarnatin of Ashura

[saw2097]

Did anyone else notice that Hashirama doesn't actually fit the criteria of Ashura.

Naruto and Ashura are both dropouts that were born without talent and became strong by never giving up and friendship.

Hashirama was born with the Wood Release and has unbelievable power, such power that his genetics are used as steroids.

I am starting to wonder if Hashirama is something else entirely, we might finally learn what makes his genes so special and why he is the only person born with Wood Release.

I would note that Wood Release is basically the anti Jinchuriki, why it is has never been explained, and its connection to the Ten Tails who's true form is a tree has yet to be explained.

I am starting to wonder if Hashirama and Madara, are not the previous Indra and Ashura, as their relationship is vastly different from the Sons.


PS, yes I know the title has a misspelling.

 

[The Necromancer]

Maybe the Senju and Hyuuga were born of the brother while the Uchiha and the Uzumaki were born of the Sage.

 

[FatherOfMurder]

Obito fits the criteria, just sayin'

 

[Tobi98]

Yeah Hashirama was born a prodigy, but the genes are the same

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Stopped reading after you said he was born with amazing power.
You have no idea how hashirama came to cultivate his powe
Obviously form the flashbacks he did not have access to it right away.
Making your thread invalid

 

[Misconception]

I agree i don't know how you can even call it rivalry when Hashirama owns Madara all of there fights except for there finale battle...

 

[saw2097]

Stopped reading after you said he was born with amazing power.
You have no idea how hashirama came to cultivate his powe
Obviously form the flashbacks he did not have access to it right away.
Making your thread invalid

When they were kids, Madara openly said that Hashirama was more powerful than him who was already considered a prodigy.

Naruto and Ashura started off without any talent what so ever, and their relationship with their rivals was vastly different, they started off under their shadow and through hard work caught up with them.

Hashirama and Madara's relationship is the opposite, Madara lived under Hashirama's shadow but took pleasure in their rivalry.

 

[The Necromancer]

Stopped reading after you said he was born with amazing power.
You have no idea how hashirama came to cultivate his powe
Obviously form the flashbacks he did not have access to it right away.
Making your thread invalid

But he was born with great talent. He was better than Madara at a young age, whereas the Younger son and Naruto developed later in their lives.

 

[Invsblphntm]

Stopped reading after you said he was born with amazing power.
You have no idea how hashirama came to cultivate his powe
Obviously form the flashbacks he did not have access to it right away.
Making your thread invalid

He was always stronger than genius prodigy Madara Uchiha, strongest Uchiha ever. Even when they were kids.

Your posts are almost always just dumb lol.

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I saw the same parallel, but I imagine Masashu Kishimoto will find a way to argue that it's not about that, but how Hashirama had the strength of his people [Konoha].

 

[Niwdog]

Did anyone else notice that Hashirama doesn't actually fit the criteria of Ashura.

Naruto and Ashura are both dropouts that were born without talent and became strong by never giving up and friendship.

Hashirama was born with the Wood Release and has unbelievable power, such power that his genetics are used as steroids.

I am starting to wonder if Hashirama is something else entirely, we might finally learn what makes his genes so special and why he is the only person born with Wood Release.

I would note that Wood Release is basically the anti Jinchuriki, why it is has never been explained, and its connection to the Ten Tails who's true form is a tree has yet to be explained.

I am starting to wonder if Hashirama and Madara, are not the previous Indra and Ashura, as their relationship is vastly different from the Sons.


PS, yes I know the title has a misspelling.

Woah, woah, woah, assumptions much. You simply assume that Hashirama was born with wood release, when there is no proof and rather the contrary is suggested! If you pay attention to the flashbacks between Hashirama and Madara, Hashirama displayed no Wood Element and Tobirama was considered a more formidable shinobi and 2nd in command, so there's actually an implied hint that Hashirama also worked up the power ladder. And Hashirama fits the reincarnation bill so well and so many accounts. He wanted to unite the village and unite everyone and strongly believed he needed Madara and all the other clans to make Konoha work and achieve peace. Mokuton is to Hashirama what the Kyuubi power is to Naruto, the thing that is in him, but he needs to train and master to come up out of his nobody-status and climb up the ranks to become the great world-changing shinobi that he is destined to become.

 

[saw2097]

Woah, woah, woah, assumptions much. You simply assume that Hashirama was born with wood release, when there is no proof and rather the contrary is suggested! If you pay attention to the flashbacks between Hashirama and Madara, Hashirama displayed no Wood Element and Tobirama was considered a more formidable shinobi and 2nd in command, so there's actually an implied hint that Hashirama also worked up the power ladder. And Hashirama fits the reincarnation bill so well and so many accounts. He wanted to unite the village and unite everyone and strongly believed he needed Madara and all the other clans to make Konoha work and achieve peace. Mokuton is to Hashirama what the Kyuubi power is to Naruto, the thing that is in him, but he needs to train and master to come up out of his nobody-status and climb up the ranks to become the great world-changing shinobi that he is destined to become.

Like I said above, Madara who was a genius prodigy admitted that Hashirama was more powerful than him when they were kids.

Madara lived in Hashirama's shadow throughout his entire life, that is the complete opposite of the Indra and Ashura dynamic.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Well there is something important to remember here...Ashura and Naruto were born in times of peace and Hashirama grewup from the vey start surround by war and watching his friends and family die, so he could have simply gotten that extra motivation earlier and had that protect the important person lesson imparted on him earlier...remember Kaguya supposedly used her powers to suppress wars and bring an era of peace during her time...and it is unconfirmed if child hashi had awakened Mokuton yet and when Madara said that it was after a long off panel period with him and hashirama training together(he is the comrade hashi hone his skills together with) Naruto didn't start cooperating and training with others until after he graduated the academy then he showed rapid improvement that threatened the genius Sasuke...we don't know what Ashura's situation was...did he have a reason to become strong besides being jealous of his possibly dismissive elder brother...did he try to go it alone for a period in an attempt to gain recognition from his other gifted family members?when did he take up the philosophy of working with others...

this reminds me of 666 Satan written by Kishimoto's brother when the father chose between his sons to inherit the family sword style(one was perfect and the other son trained hard but kept failing...the father and elder son also had special eyes...they were cyclops's)...I wonder if Indra was angered by the choice that Hagoromo made and killed him while he layed in his weakened state gaining Ms and Susanoo(we still don't know if Ems is even required for perfect Susanoo)

 

[Niwdog]

Like I said above, Madara who was a genius prodigy admitted that Hashirama was more powerful than him when they were kids.

Madara lived in Hashirama's shadow throughout his entire life, that is the complete opposite of the Indra and Ashura dynamic.

He admitted he was stronger than him in a fight a couple of years after they had met, when they had to stop being friends again. Years is enough time to improve. But there's no indication in the very beginning of their relationship that Hashirama was automatically stronger than Madara, at least I think so. Also Madara didn't say anything like Hashirama had a natural ability better than his. He only said he was merely stronger, which could have been achieved by hard work, so it's still very presumptuous to say that Hashirama was born with this awesome power so doesn't fit the bill, when there isn't really such evidence that he was born with such awesome power. Also, you're ignoring all the other aspects where Hashirama is exactly like Ashura, aspects which are overwhelming; Hashirama's ideology of co-operation and unison, the fact that he had all the beasts together and united (not united as the Juubi) before distributing them out as an offer of peace to the other countries, the way he believed that peace, love and co-operation was the way forward and not power. The likeness is pretty strong.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

True. Hashirama had extreme talent even as a kid. Madara was stated to be able to be stronger than some adults and Hashirama was stronger than him. It's obvious he's not Ashura's reincarnation.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Stopped reading after you said he was born with amazing power.
You have no idea how hashirama came to cultivate his powe
Obviously form the flashbacks he did not have access to it right away.
Making your thread invalid

Do u even read naruto? Hashirama was blessed from birth with his mokuton. He was always stronger than madara throughout his life. He's background is way different from ashura or naruto's

 

[Nebula]

Didn't know Ashura could be naruto and hashirama at the same time.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Hashi is a direct descendant of martians Lol.

Did anyone else notice that kaguya appears to have something which looks like a third eye, on her forehead?
Where the hell's this chick from? Horns, a third eye, some weird white balls above her eyes. :s

 

[xcoyote]

Hashi is a mutant.