Hashirama can't be top 1!!! (Soups up!)

[ItachiStillSolos]

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Kishis own words say this, and it's from AFTER the yata mirror.

Itachi also says all things have a weakness.

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, just because you haven't seen/heard of a weakness ( OTHER THAN THE ONE I JUST GAVE YOU ) doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Deal with it.

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Both manga and the databook support Yata's hype unlike the Kabutowari and Perfect Susano'o slash.

Itachi said every jutsu has a weakness, Yata Mirror is a spiritual/magical/ethereal weapon.

BTW Kishi writes the databook too.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, just because the Yata hasn't been shown to tank Kabutowari or Perfect Susano'o slash doesn't mean it can't.

Deal with it

 

[Mitarashi]

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Both manga and the databook support Yata's hype unlike the Kabutowari and Perfect Susano'o slash.
Itachi said every jutsu has a weakness, Yata Mirror is a spiritual/magical/ethereal weapon.
BTW Kishi writes the databook too.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, just because the Yata hasn't been shown to tank Kabutowari or Perfect Susano'o slash doesn't mean it can't.

Deal with it

A sword that can destroy anything, no 2 swords that can, cannot co-exist with a shield that can block everything.
Both of these swords where made BY KISHI AFTER YOUR FACTS CAME INTO PLAY meaning that kishi intended them to >Yata

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

A sword that can destroy anything, no 2 swords that can, cannot co-exist with a shield that can block everything.
Both of these swords where made BY KISHI AFTER YOUR FACTS CAME INTO PLAY meaning that kishi intended them to >Yata

Perfect Susano'o's hype is obviously false since it hasn't breaken all creation. So you are comparing a wooden sword with a spiritual/ethereal/magical weapon :|

Are you Kishi?I don't think so. So you don't really know what Kishi intended.

If it makes you feel any better Hashirama>Itachi but the Yata Mirror is invincible the only downside to it is the fact Susano'o wields it and Susano'o will diminish Itachi's chakra and stamina reserves quite fast.

 

[Mitarashi]

Perfect Susano'o's hype is obviously false since it hasn't breaken all creation. So you are comparing a wooden sword with a spiritual/ethereal/magical weapon :|

Are you Kishi?I don't think so. So you don't really know what Kishi intended.

Now you're avoiding what he wrote, that's cute

Why would he make a sword OR 2 that could destroy anything after he made a shield that could block anything, if the swords couldn't destroy the shield.
It's called logic
I've won this debate, your posts no longer count.

/Done

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

Now you're avoiding what he wrote, that's cute

Why would he make a sword OR 2 that could destroy anything after he made a shield that could block anything, if the swords couldn't destroy the shield.
It's called logic
I've won this debate, your posts no longer count.

/Done

You're avoiding both manga and databook facts, XD now that's cute

So we the readers will get excited and think those characters are haxxed.
Won the debate? More like I lost it so I am gonna abandon the thread XD.Yata is a magical, spiritual, ethereal weapon it is obviously stronger than a mere wooden sword.
As for Perfect Susano'o it needed 20 TBB Perfect Susano'o slashes to destroy Shinsuusenju. What happened to one slash from its sword destroys creation hmmm The fact Madara said the bijuus rival its strength makes it illogical. Since bijuu are creations and would have been destroyed by its slash.

XD You lost this debate if anything Lol

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Perfect Susano'o's hype is obviously false since it hasn't breaken all creation. So you are comparing a wooden sword with a spiritual/ethereal/magical weapon :|

Are you Kishi?I don't think so. So you don't really know what Kishi intended.

If it makes you feel any better Hashirama>Itachi but the Yata Mirror is invincible the only downside to it is the fact Susano'o wields it and Susano'o will diminish Itachi's chakra and stamina reserves quite fast.

he's just mad because Itachi's weapons are only non-dehyped ones in the series U_U

 

[Mitarashi]

You're avoiding both manga and databook facts, XD now that's cute
.Yata is a magical, spiritual, ethereal weapon it is obviously stronger than a mere wooden sword.
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How is it 'Obvious?'
IT SAYS THAT IT CAN BREAK THROUGH ANY AND ALL DEFENCES.
Do you not understand that?
you're assuming because it's wooden that it cannot break through the yata, without using any sources.
the fact of the matter is that it penetrates any and all defences, yata falls under that catagory.

What you're saying is.

'It's wood, it can't break through the yata even though I just read a panel that said it could. I refuse to believe what kishi wrote because Wood<yata in the narutoverse because of what I say'

I'll admit you're good, but it doesn't matter how good you are, you can't prove something that is wrong to be right.

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

How is it 'Obvious?'
IT SAYS THAT IT CAN BREAK THROUGH ANY AND ALL DEFENCES.
Do you not understand that?
you're assuming because it's wooden that it cannot break through the yata, without using any sources.
the fact of the matter is that it penetrates any and all defences, yata falls under that catagory.

What you're saying is.

'It's wood, it can't break through the yata even though I just read a panel that said it could. I refuse to believe what kishi wrote because Wood<yata in the narutoverse because of what I say'

I'll admit you're good, but it doesn't matter how good you are, you can't prove something that is wrong to be right.

I don't believe your implying a normal weapon can break through Yata which is regarded as magical, ethereal, and spiritual. :|
Yata has been hyped twice by Kishimoto while Kabutowari was hyped once and never shown to live up to its hype at least the Yata repelled the snakes, sword, and explosive tags.

Thank you, you aren't bad either. I am sorry if I sounded rude or anything.

 

[Mitarashi]

I don't believe your implying a normal weapon can break through Yata which is regarded as magical, ethereal, and spiritual. :|
Yata has been hyped twice by Kishimoto while Kabutowari was hyped once and never shown to live up to its hype at least the Yata repelled the snakes, sword, and explosive tags.

Thank you, you aren't bad either.

The Yata mirror is almost invincible, I think that the Kabutowari is the only thing able to brake it.
and then only when wielded by a master swordsman.

I just don't see the logic of him making a sword that can destroy anything after he makes a shield that can block everything, and then have the shield block said sword, it doesn't make sense.

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

The Yata mirror is almost invincible, I think that the Kabutowari is the only thing able to brake it.
and then only when wielded by a master swordsman.

I just don't see the logic of him making a sword that can destroy anything after he makes a shield that can block everything, and then have the shield block said sword, it doesn't make sense.

I guess it depends on personal preference, the way I see it a normal sword shouldn't be even compared to a magical, spiritual, ethereal weapon. I guess we will just have to agree on disagreeing.

 

[Mitarashi]

I guess it depends on personal preference, the way I see it a normal sword shouldn't be even compared to a magical, spiritual, ethereal weapon. I guess we will just have to agree on disagreeing.

Mhhh.
Well let's just put it this way.
Yata = Strongest defense.

Itachi had the strongest defense making him the 'Hardest to kill'

How is that

 

[Strict]

IT SAYS THAT IT CAN BREAK THROUGH ANY AND ALL DEFENCES.

Mere hype done by a fodder Shinobi who believes in the effectiveness of this weapon. The Yata mirror however was not only hyped to be completely invincible, the databook further characterized the shields properties and how exactly it counters attacks. Supernatural weapons are categorized above anything that is used on earth and so the databook says that anything loses its effect before the might of a god. Once an Edo and wielder of the Rinnegan like Nagato was, was hit by the counterpart Totsuka, he lost all his power - implying that anything humanely no matter what power he possesses is subjected to these weapons.

 

[Mitarashi]

Mere hype done by a fodder Shinobi who believes in the effectiveness of this weapon. The Yata mirror however was not only hyped to be completely invincible, the databook further characterized the shields properties and how exactly it counters attacks. Supernatural weapons are categorized above anything that is used on earth and so the databook says that anything loses its effect before the might of a god. Once an Edo and wielder of the Rinnegan like Nagato was, was hit by the counterpart Totsuka, he lost all his power - implying that anything humanely no matter what power he possesses is subjected to these weapons.

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[Strict]

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Black Zetsu's hype + showed feats + databook's hype & description > Mere hype. :b

 

[Mitarashi]

Black Zetsu's hype + showed feats + databook's hype & description > Mere hype. :b

Kishis word = Kishis word.

 

[Strict]

Kishis word = Kishis word.

Sounds like you think Kishimoto speaks his omniscience through any character.

 

[Mitarashi]

Sounds like you think Kishimoto speaks his omniscience through any character.

You are cookies.
I win

 

[Zexion~]

Its the same logic people use to justify Sasori>Deidara Which is simply BS .. IMO IF someone admits Inferiority one should just assume that in reality they are the stronger ones lol

 

[mmmmm Soup]

What if I told you, Hashirama >>>> Itachi,

Then i'd say you're a silly billy.

 

[mmmmm Soup]

You use fact of another thing entirely, it looks like you didnt read my response or the manga. I think you should go back & check it out *_*

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These three links prove me right & prove your ignorance, sasuke asks what a shinobi is, hashi calls Itachi a better shinobi, he then later concludes his story by saying that a shinobi is someone who endures to achieve their goals. Hashi put himself down as a shinobi & failed, & when sasuke told him how Itachi had to shoulder konoha all by himself then he made his comment.

In conclusion, your scan only proves that Itachi is only a better shinobi in the sense that he's endured a heavier burden while hashi has failed to endure his....GG

Itachi's goal was to be the solo king which in turn he proved