Hashirama can't be stronger than Madara, don't fool yourself

[Dazuza360]

Do you really think that Kishi revived the Hokages to leave Hashirama fight Madara alone?
Do you really think that with the entire shinobi alliance and Hokages around, Hashirama will fight Madara alone?

So Hashirama fans don't get your hopes that up to be totally disappointed in the end when Madara shits on him with some unknown technique or so and needs help in the end. In terms of feat they may be comparable or whatever you think, but in terms of scenario it would mean nothing at all that one of the last threat in the manga gets soloed again especially by someone who has nothing to do with the main character like Hashirama

Obviously Hashirama can't or rather won't win this fight since Madara is waay powered-up and i don't think Hashirama's at full strength. Also he isn't a main character (just a flippin strong one ) so for him to beat the main antagonist is not right as you said.

They will probably postpone it or it will get abruptly ended and Team 7/the other previous Hokage will face off against Madara or something.

 

[Dazuza360]

Even if Madara is stronger than Hashirama, Hashirama and Madara clearly outclass the other hokages.

Yep, that's very true. None of the previous or current Kage for that matter even come close (not really sure about Tobirama coz we haven't really seen much of him) to these two monsters.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

Sorry late reply, I'll start by saying, don't worry, it's a debate and I wont get upset. The only time I'll get angry or annoyed is when fanboy's come into it and ruin it with their fanboy posts. (Not implied at you because you haven't done that)

Well...yes I'm saying Hashirama can't make as many because he hasn't shown to do so. From my understanding on Naruto base if you show not, you can not. I believe he can but we can't assume and be as intrepid to state it as fact if someone has not been shown to, or said to is all I'm saying. No disrespect....but your comparisons on Edo Hashirama, and Hashirama are also incorrect...the technicalities you mention are all opinionated, no? Just asking, but has it been revealed that what you say is fact? Atm I believe all we know is that Edo Hashirama is inferior to Hashirama as it has been said. Nao, the minuscule technicalities have yet to be exhumed, no? Im not trying to addle, or disrespect you I'm just saying. Plz don't be upset.

Ok now to the points.

Hashirama can 100% make as many clones as Madara, this is being that Hashirama is the master of Mokuton, he also created it. It's not like when Minato created Rasengan and Naruto perfected and bring it new levels, Hashirama is the master and creator of it. Madara will never be better than Hashirama with Mokuton so it's obvious Hashirama can make more or at least the same amount of clones. It's true if you don't show it, it's not taken into a count but that's not true if it's completely obvious. It's like when Minato was said to create the Rasengan, back when this was never shown in part 1 we could only call it hype but it was so obvious that it's true so it can be counted.

My comparisons are not wrong. I just say what the Manga has done already. Normal Hashirama has full power (100%) power) but can die and doesn't have to be sealed, he also doesn't have unlimited Chakra. While Edo Hashirama is near full power (you could say 80%) but he has infinite Chakra and has to be sealed to "die". Now which one is going to be more fearsome/stronger?

An 80% powered Hashirama would still be able to beat EMS Madara without Kurama with at max mid difficulty. I say this because full Hashirama beat Madara and Kurama so surely 100% Hashirama deals with EMS Madara 1 vs. 1 easily so 80% shouldn't be to much worse.

The 80% is just an estimate and could be lower or higher but near full power would be around that, it's common sense.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Sorry late reply, I'll start by saying, don't worry, it's a debate and I wont get upset. The only time I'll get angry or annoyed is when fanboy's come into it and ruin it with their fanboy posts. (Not implied at you because you haven't done that)



Ok now to the points.

Hashirama can 100% make as many clones as Madara, this is being that Hashirama is the master of Mokuton, he also created it. It's not like when Minato created Rasengan and Naruto perfected and bring it new levels, Hashirama is the master and creator of it. Madara will never be better than Hashirama with Mokuton so it's obvious Hashirama can make more or at least the same amount of clones. It's true if you don't show it, it's not taken into a count but that's not true if it's completely obvious. It's like when Minato was said to create the Rasengan, back when this was never shown in part 1 we could only call it hype but it was so obvious that it's true so it can be counted.

My comparisons are not wrong. I just say what the Manga has done already. Normal Hashirama has full power (100%) power) but can die and doesn't have to be sealed, he also doesn't have unlimited Chakra. While Edo Hashirama is near full power (you could say 80%) but he has infinite Chakra and has to be sealed to "die". Now which one is going to be more fearsome/stronger?

An 80% powered Hashirama would still be able to beat EMS Madara without Kurama with at max mid difficulty. I say this because full Hashirama beat Madara and Kurama so surely 100% Hashirama deals with EMS Madara 1 vs. 1 easily so 80% shouldn't be to much worse.

The 80% is just an estimate and could be lower or higher but near full power would be around that, it's common sense.

:yayy::ls::ls:XD:flowers

 

[BlackFlame44]

:yayy::ls::ls:XD:flowers

Friendzoned....

 

[Shodai Hokage]

Give up Op.
Even Madara admits that Hashirama is on his level.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Friendzoned....

No my intentions were not to pursue, you have misunderstood my friend. I was merely commending her efforts to try and make her opinion fact. Of course she still failed as opinion cannot be fact...since most of what she wrote is mostly theorized. She just doesn't understand where I'm coming from, nor do you. I just respect her resolve. I posted the emotions in a way to mitigate the situation, and concede. I felt no need to continue. :yayy:

My apologies for being vague...next time I'll make things entirely more simplistic for you to understand.

 

[BlackFlame44]

No my intentions were not to pursue, you have misunderstood my friend. I was merely commending her efforts to try and make her opinion fact. Of course she still failed as opinion cannot be fact...since most of what she wrote is mostly theorized. She just doesn't understand where I'm coming from, nor do you. I just respect her resolve. I posted the emotions in a way to mitigate the situation, and concede. I felt no need to continue. :yayy:

My apologies for being vague...next time I'll make things entirely more simplistic for you to understand.

OOOOOOOHHHH I see I see yeah that's why I said she's smexy(smart and sexy )

 

[Bronze]

hashirama barely won against ems madara and kyuubi, how is he going to win against ems, rinnegan and mokuton?

 

[aimop95]

its not about jutsu is about skills and i think it was zetsu who said someone can have a a shiruken and still be beat by a pebble thrown by a master

it does not matter what jutsu madara has....hashirama is just a better more skilled thinker and ninja get over it madara fanboys

This guy has it right.

 

[Erza Scarlet]

No my intentions were not to pursue, you have misunderstood my friend. I was merely commending her efforts to try and make her opinion fact. Of course she still failed as opinion cannot be fact...since most of what she wrote is mostly theorized. She just doesn't understand where I'm coming from, nor do you. I just respect her resolve. I posted the emotions in a way to mitigate the situation, and concede. I felt no need to continue. :yayy:

My apologies for being vague...next time I'll make things entirely more simplistic for you to understand.

What part of my post was an opinion? The only part is the 80% power thing, but we do know that Hashirama is weaker in Edo form but more harder to kill.

Edit: How is it false that Hashirama is better than Madara at Mokuton?