Hashirama can control bijuu not just suppress them

[Gerkak]

Hey guys I got a theory, Hashirama's control of tailed beasts is said by many people to be limited only to suppression of bijuu chakra. As shown when yamato suppressed naruto when the kyuubi was trying to take over.

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and when hashirama suppressed kyuubi during his fight with his biggest fan.. I mean madara.

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As a result of this people put sharingan and sometimes rinnegan methods of bijuu control above wood release.

Now why I think wood release can do more than suppression of chakra. First is yamato is weaker than hashirama, much weaker. He can't even suppress naruto without him wearing the shodaime's neckless. The second was shown by madara and obito.

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As one can see from the above image both madara and obito connected and controlled juubi using hashirama's wood release. Before anyone says they are using rinnegan there are no visible chakra stakes or chakra chains on the juubi. Nor is their any black zetsu substance. They were contolling the juubi with mere wood release. From this we know it is clear that hashirama can control bijuu. And that it backs obito's statement that he had several bijuu once in his possesion

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Thoughts?

 

[Οdin]

To subdue is a form of control... but I doubt he can make them perform actions like the Sharingan/Rinnegan can. My opinion. u_u

 

[Sacrosanct]

I covered this months ago.

Yes, Obito and Madara used mokuton to control the Juubi because there's no way they had it under a genjutsu.

 

[rollin]

According to oro he could

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[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Maybe but :

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So you basically came here to up your post count...

Also, I agree. I've never seen a thread that states Hashirama could not control the Bijuu but just suppress their chakra. Orochimaru and Obito have both stated that he could.

Also, Danzo stated that he had full control over the beasts... Danzo likely knew Hashirama himself. I don't quite get some of these people.

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[End of Days]

Hashirama's cells were used to strengthen the existing control, it was not being used to control the juubi
like it is used to extend izanagi but with hashirama's powers alone you cannot perform izanagi

 

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Hashirama's cells were used to strengthen the existing control, it was not being used to control the juubi
like it is used to extend izanagi but with hashirama's powers alone you cannot perform izanagi

They were connected to the juubi where Hashirama's cells were implanted if you look close enough. Obito, from his arm. Madara from his chest. They did not cast genjutsu on the Juubi.

 

[Gerkak]

They were connected to the juubi where Hashirama's cells were implanted if you look close enough. Obito, from his arm. Madara from his chest. They did not cast genjutsu on the Juubi.

you are Correct*_*. Hashi's cells were all they used

 

[End of Days]

They were connected to the juubi where Hashirama's cells were implanted if you look close enough. Obito, from his arm. Madara from his chest. They did not cast genjutsu on the Juubi.

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This is where they assumed control of the juubi, they are directly connected to it through their heads

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This is where madara specifically said to use Hashirama cells to strengthen the control since it would be too hard to control the juubi soon

 

[Sacrosanct]

Hashirama's cells were used to strengthen the existing control, it was not being used to control the juubi

What existing control? Just how did they control it before using mokuton?

 

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This is where they assumed control of the juubi, they are directly connected to it through their heads

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This is where madara specifically said to use Hashirama cells to strengthen the control since it would be too hard to control the juubi soon

The first scan shows them already using Mokuton behind them. They used more mokuton to make their control better.

 

[End of Days]

What existing control? Just how did they control it before using mokuton?

The rinnegan was used to summon the gedo from the moon and obito has been using the gedo all through the war through it without once bothering to use Hashirama's powers
The juubi is gedo with a huge battery, the bijuus.

The first scan shows them already using Mokuton behind them. They used more mokuton to make their control better.

It would be wrong to say that they were using mokuton since nothing was said about utilizing Hashirama powers utill the second time, they could just be physically attaching themselves to the juubi
The tubes came from below the juubi's body not their own