Hashirama can beat MS Obito

[Gaara Of The Death]

1shot senju brothers + orochimaru. Yep yep he can

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Lol he soloed Orochimaru but why did he fail to kill him. He also beat the weakened Senju bro. Any any alive or Oro's Edo Senju bros solos Hizuren. ​

 

[Ababeel]

I disagree. U_U
obito beats Hashirama, the later can't do anything against obito's Kamui. U_U

 

[Draphsin]

See again, now you are making Hashirama himself attack Obito, when he doesn't have to.. Hence why I said these battles are decided by fan scenarios.

No I'm not read my posts, hashi using clones to attack is useless, he won't keep them all in a formation which prevents a kamui warp.

He doesn't even need to be in the battle itself. He doesn't even need to get close to Obito. FTW followed by Wood clones.. good luck to Obito knowing who the real Hashirama is.

It doesnt matter how close he is, in fact the further away obito is the better because then the clones will be even further away from hashi, thus leaving him wide open.

Ftw is countered by large scale bakufuu ranbu or a bijuudama if obito is allowed the summon, either way FTW is useless.

Lol & how many clones can hashi make? Hashi isn't making 20 so hashi isnt fooling obito. As you said hashi creates clones right off the bat, therefore obito easily tracks the handsigns via the sharingan.

the 5 Kages couldn't see when Madara switched out.. yet you are trying to claim a child inexperienced Obito in battle will be able to see the master of Mokuton switch out with wood clones.. nice to know..

First of all he isn't a child so I see your bias is starting to show. Secondly you put hashi in a situation where he would create his clones right away so now you're going back on what you said. Next, hashi's handsigns are tracked via the sharingan which none of the 5 kage have. & Finally hashi won't have any time to create a clone, all obito has to do is warp behind hashi as soon as he starts attacking or as soon as he creates clones to start attacking, it's a rather simple task as hashi has no info or a method to escape the warp.

By the way comparing the 5 kage to obito who can take them out just as easily as he can take out hashirama? Show me hashi fooling the sharingan with a clone then you have a feat.

Plus, Madara himself couldn't even see when Hashirama switched out with a clone.. lol.

Nice try, sharingan was off.

So let me ask you this, how is Obito going to know which is the real Hashirama? Because as i Said Hashirama can just sit back and be somewhere else.. and if Obito uses Kamui on a wood clone.. he is automatically checkmated.

@Bold: Simple, obito watches hashi create his clones, then he draws them out & away from hashi like you suggest, then he warps behind hashi.

No if obito uses kamui on a clone then he ejects it from his dimension.

Plus, the winner of a mano e mano = last man standing.. not teleporting someone to another place.. rofl.

This is what I'd like to call an excuse. Once someone is warped it's just as good as sealing them so yes last man standing = using kamui to end the fight.

 

[TheSages456]

only obito fanboys will disagree.

mokuton is faster than madaras black orbs, which was faster than kamuis teleportation. obito tries to warp, to which hashirama responds by spawning city level branches, but unlike madaras black orbs which he could deflect, he will be reduced to paste by mokuton.

 

[KingHashirama]

No I'm not read my posts, hashi using clones to attack is useless, he won't keep them all in a formation which prevents a kamui warp.



It doesnt matter how close he is, in fact the further away obito is the better because then the clones will be even further away from hashi, thus leaving him wide open.

Ftw is countered by large scale bakufuu ranbu or a bijuudama if obito is allowed the summon, either way FTW is useless.

Lol & how many clones can hashi make? Hashi isn't making 20 so hashi isnt fooling obito. As you said hashi creates clones right off the bat, therefore obito easily tracks the handsigns via the sharingan.



First of all he isn't a child so I see your bias is starting to show. Secondly you put hashi in a situation where he would create his clones right away so now you're going back on what you said. Next, hashi's handsigns are tracked via the sharingan which none of the 5 kage have. & Finally hashi won't have any time to create a clone, all obito has to do is warp behind hashi as soon as he starts attacking or as soon as he creates clones to start attacking, it's a rather simple task as hashi has no info or a method to escape the warp.

By the way comparing the 5 kage to obito who can take them out just as easily as he can take out hashirama? Show me hashi fooling the sharingan with a clone then you have a feat.



Nice try, sharingan was off.



@Bold: Simple, obito watches hashi create his clones, then he draws them out & away from hashi like you suggest, then he warps behind hashi.

No if obito uses kamui on a clone then he ejects it from his dimension.



This is what I'd like to call an excuse. Once someone is warped it's just as good as sealing them so yes last man standing = using kamui to end the fight.

FTW > Obito's fire justsu.. Just letting you right now..


Why are you still on "you said he creates clone from the start".. when i already we are only making fan scenarios.. Logically Obito has no chance. Logically, Obito wouldn't dare..


Logically using Kamui on Hashirama simply teleports him to a different place, doesn't make Obito win the fight.

I'm starting to think people don't even know what the winner of the fight is.. rofl.


Your argument is getting sloppy, so let me just simplfy my whole point:

- Madara couldn't see Hashirama pull out a wood clone, i doubt Obito will

- Kamui is useless unless Obito touches Hashirama

- The moment a clone ends up being Kamui'd to the other dimension, Obito is checkmated.

- Obito can't tell who the real Hashirama is and who isn't

- The skills gap is vast

- the scale of their techniques is fast..


@Bold, sadly you have to show me where a non-Madara EMS sharingan can tell which one is a wood clone and which isn't.

 

[Ababeel]

only obito fanboys will disagree.

mokuton is faster than madaras black orbs, which was faster than kamuis teleportation. obito tries to warp, to which hashirama responds by spawning city level branches, but unlike madaras black orbs which he could deflect, he will be reduced to paste by mokuton.

@bold, what's your proof???

 

[TheSages456]

@bold, what's your proof???

madaras black orbs were too fast for kamuis teleportation:

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the same black orbs were dodged by gai at point blank range:

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the same gai that couldnt avoid mokuton and was restrained by it:

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[TrollKing]

Hashirama>madara>obito

Don't see any argument except fanfiction

 

[AGoodBoy]

Obito is the most overrated Character on NB.

Actually, no, Kamui Makes anyone defending it turn instantly stupid. I've seen some of the 'smarter' seeming members sound retarded when kamui came into the discussion.

 

[Ababeel]

madaras black orbs were too fast for kamuis teleportation:

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the same black orbs were dodged by gai at point blank range:

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the same gai that couldnt avoid mokuton and was restrained by it:

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WTH???
gui in the last one was exhausted from using the 7th gate, that's such an extremely pathetic excuse. Also, did not gui tried to attack obito several time and couldn't because of obito's Kamui??! Why didn't you mention that?

 

[Ababeel]

Obito is the most overrated Character on NB.

Actually, no, Kamui Makes anyone defending it turn instantly stupid. I've seen some of the 'smarter' seeming members sound retarded when kamui came into the discussion.

Actually Hashirama is by far the most overrated character in faction history. People don't even give reasons when it comes to him. The only state "Cuz Hashirama" against every single jutsu in the manga "he's Hashirama, so it's useless no matte what jutsus it is" No one can possibly top that, not even itachi himself!

 

[TrollKing]

Obito is the most overrated Character on NB.

Actually, no, Kamui Makes anyone defending it turn instantly stupid. I've seen some of the 'smarter' seeming members sound retarded when kamui came into the discussion.

I've just responded to a post where 90% people believe kamui can snipe jubi's head faster than yellow flash flash to bathroom XD

Actually Hashirama is by far the most overrated character in faction history. People don't even give reasons when it comes to him. The only state "Cuz Hashirama" against every single jutsu in the manga "Hashi's Hashirama, so it's useless no matte what jutsus it is" No one can possibly top that, not even itachi himself!

Manga stated he's god of shinobi. You are accusing kishi overrating hashirama XD

 

[Draphsin]

FTW > Obito's fire justsu.. Just letting you right now..

Laughable, nice scans to back it up.

A katon the size of the juubi >>>> FTW

Why are you still on "you said he creates clone from the start".. when i already we are only making fan scenarios.. Logically Obito has no chance. Logically, Obito wouldn't dare..

Idk what you even mean by this quote.

@Bold: Logically? When you still have yet to counter kamui? All you say is clones when clones are useless to someone who can become intangible.

Logically using Kamui on Hashirama simply teleports him to a different place, doesn't make Obito win the fight.

Yes it does, stop whining. Obito warps hashi away & it's GG, hashi can't do anything except starve to death or die of dehydration.

I'm starting to think people don't even know what the winner of the fight is.. rofl.

I'm starting to think a particular hashi fanboy is getting quite butthurt over the fact that his lord can't escape kamui. Lol

Your argument is getting sloppy, so let me just simplfy my whole point:

- Madara couldn't see Hashirama pull out a wood clone, i doubt Obito will

Madara did not have the sharingan activated, moot point is absolutely moot.

& I find it hilarious that you're calling my argument sloppy. You keep on repeating the same nonsense so if anyone needs to re-evaluate their argument it's you.

- Kamui is useless unless Obito touches Hashirama

Which is easy as minato who has vastly superior reflexes/shunshin speed was nearly warped away if not for the fastest jutsu in the manga, which teleports you instantly.

By the time obito touches hashirama it will be too late, hashi is not creating any mokuton constructs large enough to stop obito from completely warping him away in time.

- The moment a clone ends up being Kamui'd to the other dimension, Obito is checkmated.

According to who? Lmao as I said your argument is the one that needs work, I already told you that obito simply ejects it, not that obito would ever be fooled by petty clones in the first place.

- Obito can't tell who the real Hashirama is and who isn't

Obito can see hashi create his clones & at that point can easily tell who the real one is, unless you believe he's blind & can't see shinobi being created from the ground in front of his eyes. This is an awful point as obito would need to be distracted in order for hashi to have any chance at creating a clone without him noticing, but that isn't happening as intangibility bypasses anything which then keeps obito focused on the real one the whole time.

- The skills gap is vast

Irrelevant, Obito's skill & experience with kamui >>> Hashi's experience with kamui. & as I said multiple times without info or experience on kamui hashi loses, as he can't escape a warp.

- the scale of their techniques is fast..

Not faster than a 1-panel warp that can be used even faster than a jinton could finish activating. This feat alone more than proves that anything hashi uses will be too slow for a warp.

@Bold, sadly you have to show me where a non-Madara EMS sharingan can tell which one is a wood clone and which isn't.

Lmfao! Sadly it's you who has to show me that hashi has the skill to use clones against a sharingan user without them noticing. You showed me a base madara getting fooled by clones, that proves that madara can be fooled when his sharingan is off, but now you have to prove your claim to be true.

 

[Ababeel]

Manga stated he's god of shinobi. You are accusing kishi overrating hashirama XD

So?
Hiruzen was called god of shinobi, and the strongest Hokage (stronger than Hashirama)
Minato was called unsurpaasable, and only Naruto who can surpass him.
itachi was called Invincible, and so was pain/nagato

...etc
However, you don't see people say this jutsu will not work just because he's X character. That retarded excuse come with Hashirama only who got defeated by some fodders in the first war. U_U

 

[TheSages456]

WTH???
gui in the last one was exhausted from using the 7th gate, that's such an extremely pathetic excuse.

well now i see that you dont read the manga.

gai was restrained by mokuton before even using hirudora:

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he used hirudora after he was restrained by mokuton, not before. im trying to dumb this down so you will understand.

Also, did not gui tried to attack obito several time and couldn't because of obito's Kamui??! Why didn't you mention that?

if you read my post, i specifically talked about kamuis teleportation, not its phasing ability. it was to counter people that said that obito could warp behind hashirama then warp him to the kamui dimension.

what i just proved is that mokuton is faster than kamuis teleportation, so obitos ability to warp is a nonfactor.

the very notion of obito even being on hashiramas tier is fanfiction that isnt entertained by manga canon in the slightest.

-obito tries to warp over to hashirama in the beginning of the match.
-hashirama uses generic mokuton thats faster than kamuis teleportation.
-obito dies.

its just that simple.

 

[Touken]

If Obito decided to light up FTW with Katon, he'd be putting himself in a really bad position. Fire consumes oxygen and then Obito would be forced to inhale more oxygen, which'd in turn make Obito inhale the pollen. It's the reason why Madara decided to light up his FTW with Katon.

Anyway, Hashirama wins. FTW's the key to defeating Obito.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Actually Hashirama is by far the most overrated character in faction history. People don't even give reasons when it comes to him. The only state "Cuz Hashirama" against every single jutsu in the manga "he's Hashirama, so it's useless no matte what jutsus it is" No one can possibly top that, not even itachi himself!

Except it's manga canon, confirmed by EDo madara and DSM kabuto, that hashi's the strongest ninja that even madara couldn't beat. So, saying he beats anyone just because is basically factually accurate unless they're juubi jin. That's not overrating, that's going off portrayal, the same way people say "Rikudo wins because he's rikudo".

Whereas obito goes off of fanfiction with no respectable feat, hype or portrayal to suggest he can do half the shit people claim he can do; especially when you consider the kinds of ninja he got bashed around by.

 

[TrollKing]

So?
Hiruzen was called god of shinobi, and the strongest Hokage (stronger than Hashirama)
Minato was called unsurpaasable, and only Naruto who can surpass him.
itachi was called Invincible, and so was pain/nagato

...etc
However, you don't see people say this jutsu will not work just because he's X character. That retarded excuse come with Hashirama only who got defeated by some fodders in the first war. U_U

The old man stronger than hashirama? Minato now gets to take a turn too? I really don't know where you got it from. Recent chapters shown only hashirama can stop lord madara. You are basically telling me screw what kishi trying to say because its full of contrdiction, so you go ahead and write the story for kishi. You can but I go by what kishi intend the story to be

You need to understand one thing. Fans didnt come up with how fights happened, kishi did. Only kishi logic applies XD

 

[KingHashirama]

Laughable, nice scans to back it up.

A katon the size of the juubi >>>> FTW



Idk what you even mean by this quote.

@Bold: Logically? When you still have yet to counter kamui? All you say is clones when clones are useless to someone who can become intangible.



Yes it does, stop whining. Obito warps hashi away & it's GG, hashi can't do anything except starve to death or die of dehydration.



I'm starting to think a particular hashi fanboy is getting quite butthurt over the fact that his lord can't escape kamui. Lol



Madara did not have the sharingan activated, moot point is absolutely moot.

& I find it hilarious that you're calling my argument sloppy. You keep on repeating the same nonsense so if anyone needs to re-evaluate their argument it's you.



Which is easy as minato who has vastly superior reflexes/shunshin speed was nearly warped away if not for the fastest jutsu in the manga, which teleports you instantly.

By the time obito touches hashirama it will be too late, hashi is not creating any mokuton constructs large enough to stop obito from completely warping him away in time.



According to who? Lmao as I said your argument is the one that needs work, I already told you that obito simply ejects it, not that obito would ever be fooled by petty clones in the first place.



Obito can see hashi create his clones & at that point can easily tell who the real one is, unless you believe he's blind & can't see shinobi being created from the ground in front of his eyes. This is an awful point as obito would need to be distracted in order for hashi to have any chance at creating a clone without him noticing, but that isn't happening as intangibility bypasses anything which then keeps obito focused on the real one the whole time.



Irrelevant, Obito's skill & experience with kamui >>> Hashi's experience with kamui. & as I said multiple times without info or experience on kamui hashi loses, as he can't escape a warp.



Not faster than a 1-panel warp that can be used even faster than a jinton could finish activating. This feat alone more than proves that anything hashi uses will be too slow for a warp.



Lmfao! Sadly it's you who has to show me that hashi has the skill to use clones against a sharingan user without them noticing. You showed me a base madara getting fooled by clones, that proves that madara can be fooled when his sharingan is off, but now you have to prove your claim to be true.

FTW covers area larder than that of the Juubi.... just so you know.. why do i need to provide scans since you already know about FTW and are able to search them up?

And again you are making scenarios, according to yourself.. to make sure obito wins.

But again logically, Hashirama won't bother fighting and even if Obito sees him making the clones.. once they all get mixed up.. he won't know who the real one is..

And then you are trying to say, Hashirama has to create them in front of Obito.. why??

And i mean scale of their technique is too VAST not fast. my bad on that.

Sadly no i don't. Manga puts it out there, that only person who can see the difference between Hashirama's clone is Madara with his EMS... nothing else.... So again, provide proof.

Of course now you would also have to provide that Obito's MS is stronger than Madara's EMS..

The flawed in your argument is that you believe Hashirama has to step into the battle himself.

Not to mention each of Hashirama's clones can create Jukai Kouton big enough to lead the Juubi's TBBS to the sea..

 

[ShiroT]

FTW covers area larder than that of the Juubi.... just so you know.. why do i need to provide scans since you already know about FTW and are able to search them up?

And again you are making scenarios, according to yourself.. to make sure obito wins.

But again logically, Hashirama won't bother fighting and even if Obito sees him making the clones.. once they all get mixed up.. he won't know who the real one is..

And then you are trying to say, Hashirama has to create them in front of Obito.. why??

And i mean scale of their technique is too VAST not fast. my bad on that.

Sadly no i don't. Manga puts it out there, that only person who can see the difference between Hashirama's clone is Madara with his EMS... nothing else.... So again, provide proof.

Of course now you would also have to provide that Obito's MS is stronger than Madara's EMS..

The flawed in your argument is that you believe Hashirama has to step into the battle himself.

Not to mention each of Hashirama's clones can create Jukai Kouton big enough to lead the Juubi's TBBS to the sea..

you keep forgetting that obito can walk through all of that! and stop saying kamu is slow, phasing and completley warping into the other deminsion are not at the same speed.