Hashirama can beat current Madara

[Bogard]

Ok not saying that Hashirama is stronger than Madara or something, but people seems to forget that Hashirama didn't only beat EMS Madara at that time, but he also beat Kyubi at the same time. So he beat EMS Madara+Kyubi

Current Madara is EMS Madara+Mokuton+Rinnengan, but he doesn't have Kyubi anymore. So current Madara has advantages he didn't had like Mokuton and Rinnengan, but he also lost the advantage to have Kyubi. I suppose that Kyubis power alone>Perfect Susanoo(if it wasn't the case, Madara wouldn't have needed to come with him and fight Hashirama), so during the fight against Hashirama, he had Perfect Susanoo, plus something stronger than Perfect Susanoo, but Hashirama still managed to beat him.

Currently he only has the advantage to have Mokuton and Rinnengan, but is Mokuton really an advantage? I doubt. His Mokuton must be weaker than Hashiramas like the control also, so using a Mokuton technique will only advantage Hashirama to take control of it, by controlling the trees for example. So it only stays Rinnengan. Is his Rinnengan ability really stronger than Kyubi? I doubt it especially when we've only seen him use Preta Path with the Rinnengan.

So not saying Hashirama is still stronger than Madara, but why not also? It can be possible. After all, Madara said it himself

 

[Cosmic Path]

I think Madara can defeat hashirama this time

 

[Ero-Sennin]

ooo yeahhh finaly someone agrees with me lol

 

[dominicansharingan]

Agree Madara is pretty over-rated

 

[Mischeif Maker]

all we know is hashi beat madara teeth out back in the say and madara was scared of him as to what would happen now no one knows to fanboys on both sides need to stop saying oh he will win because no one knows what would happen if they met again we have only seen hashi fight one time and it was dulled down big time because of oros weak control and use of his powers

 

[-Carnage-]

yes...i think this is the only time i have agreed with you....i completely agree with this.... +rep

 

[genii96]

There is no ABC here,madara currently has preta,which renders all moukton uselss,this combined with his meteor techs would kill hashi,madara is a lot more versatile noe than he was back then.

 

[Turson]

Edo Madara - 90%
Hashirama - 10%

Thats how I see their chances.

 

[HungryJack]

I agree. Hashirama was quite the fighter when he fought Madara, so I don't see how an Edo Hashirama that's been slightly upgraded can't beat an "invincible" Edo Madara.

 

[KingHashirama]

Its a 50% percent chance. Unlike the last time where it was Hashirama 100%. Madara now has a chance.

 

[Dantee]

Edo Madara is the fusion of Hashi and himself. Hell even Rinnegan Madara would beat Hashi. Hashirama isn't competing with Edo Madara. You can't compare having the Kyuubi to the equivalent of mokoton and Rinnegan. Not to mention Mokoton makes tailed beast useless so really thats a dum comparision.

 

[Itachi15]

nah hashirama would lose against current madara, rinnegan and mokuton > controlling kyuubi IMO because kyuubi might have nice things to shoot at hashi but if he attacks with his claws or w/e its slow, rinnegan he can use whenever he doesnt need to call for the kyuubi or wait till the perfect moment when to attack plus hashi can control kyuubi with his mokuton and he cant gain control over rinnegan

 

[markdabomb22]

Edo Madara is the fusion of Hashi and himself. Hell even Rinnegan Madara would beat Hashi. Hashirama isn't competing with Edo Madara. You can't compare having the Kyuubi to the equivalent of mokoton and Rinnegan. Not to mention Mokoton makes tailed beast useless so really thats a dum comparision.

I agree this^^

 

[Turson]

Its a 50% percent chance. Unlike the last time where it was Hashirama 100%. Madara now has a chance.

50 - 50? Rly?
EMS, Mokuton, Rinnegan, immortality, infinite chakra > Mokuton

 

[Bogard]

Edo Madara is the fusion of Hashi and himself. Hell even Rinnegan Madara would beat Hashi. Hashirama isn't competing with Edo Madara. You can't compare having the Kyuubi to the equivalent of mokoton and Rinnegan. Not to mention Mokoton makes tailed beast useless so really thats a dum comparision.

Madara was the one controlling Kyubi. There is no way that his Mokuton could have make Kyubi useless. We've even seen pics where he was clearly battling them both. You're right we can't compare Rinnengan with Kyubi since Kyubi has much more power

 

[Dantee]

Madara was the one controlling Kyubi. There is no way that his Mokuton could have make Kyubi useless. We've even seen pics where he was clearly battling them both. You're right we can't compare Rinnengan with Kyubi since Kyubi has much more power

No way mokoton could have whaaaattttttt. Hashirama had all tailed beast under his control at once. Mokoton is a bad matchup for tailed beast (fact). Rinnegans power can't be supressed by mokoton that's why you can't make such dum comparisons.

 

[Turson]

Madara was the one controlling Kyubi. There is no way that his Mokuton could have make Kyubi useless. We've even seen pics where he was clearly battling them both.

Mokuton can supress Kyuubis power, so actually it could make it useless. As for the bolded part, maybe that was the moment when Hashirama was supressing Kyuubis power?

 

[Prime Rib]

umm no

 

[TheSages456]

of course hashirama>edo madara. it isnt debatable. hashirama already beat the best of madara which is perfect susano. madaras new techs fail harder at killing hashirama than perfect susano did. people conveniently forget that madaras full power never changed as it is still perfect susano like it was years ago.

hashiramas full power>edo madara at the height of his power(perfect susano)=ems madaras full power(perfect susano)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>edo madaras new techs.

as long as madaras full power is perfect susano than hashirama will always be stronger than madara.

 

[ITACHItheINVINCIBLE7]

of course hashirama>edo madara. it isnt debatable. hashirama already beat the best of madara which is perfect susano. madaras new techs fail harder at killing hashirama than perfect susano did. people conveniently forget that madaras full power never changed as it is still perfect susano like it was years ago.

hashiramas full power>edo madara at the height of his power(perfect susano)=ems madaras full power(perfect susano)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>edo madaras new techs.

as long as madaras full power is perfect susano than hashirama will always be stronger than madara.

at the valley of end Madara was victor as he managed to get hashiramas dna without using his full power i mean izanami or izanagi since he needed the eyes how can anyone with mind believe that hashirama can or could defeat madara.now that madara has rinnegan,perfect susano he is unmatchable