Madara said Hashirama was best. But I'll put Itachi as the best base Taijutsu fighter without Weapons as Itachi slaughtered three OP uchiha from Uchiha clan Police force with no difficulty.
No he wasn't Madara was better, people often overlook the fact that Hashirama had to use his regeneration jutsu against Madara that's how he was aware of it. While Madara didn't have a regeneration jutsu so had to be more skilled to survive getting injured like Hashirama would.
Also no he wasn't the best thaijutsu fighter bar Guy there are many who would be better than him.
No he wasn't Madara was better, people often overlook the fact that Hashirama had to use his regeneration jutsu against Madara that's how he was aware of it. While Madara didn't have a regeneration jutsu so had to be more skilled to survive getting injured like Hashirama would.
Also no he wasn't the best thaijutsu fighter bar Guy there are many who would be better than him.
Speculation to an extent as ANYONE could have harmed Hashirama during the waring age they were in. One thing we do know is Hashirama hardly ever used Sage mode based on their encounters.
Hashirama hardly used Sage mode vs Madara. Madara struggled to take him down before Hashirama even used SM. Besides Mokuton clone REQUIRES EMS so yes Base Hashirama with Madara forces him to use EMS regardless if he has SM. If Madara didn't have Kyuubi Hashirama could have easily beat him without SM
Madara said Hashirama was best. But I'll put Itachi as the best base Taijutsu fighter without Weapons as Itachi slaughtered three OP uchiha from Uchiha clan Police force with no difficulty.
Speculation to an extent as ANYONE could have harmed Hashirama during the waring age they were in. One thing we do know is Hashirama hardly ever used Sage mode based on their encounters.
Nice fanfic Madara was recognising and equating Tsunade's power of healing to Hashirama's yet Mellanoma says it could've been anybody. Madara was conparing to a power he witnessed himself or the comparison cannot be made. Just accept the facts for what they are Hashirama would use SM against Madara there's not much else to it. Oh and Madara is the superior thaijutsu user since he'd have to be more skilled to avoid getting injured since he didn't have the healing jutsu.
Leave it to @Mellanoma to turn one of the most featless Taijutsu user in the series into a hype thread about him being the best Taijutsu user in the series. This is why I was laughing at you in the other thread. You can't let go of Hashirama, and you'll stop at nothing to fabricate his skills that he's not even close to having.
Nice fanfic Madara was recognising and equating Tsunade's power of healing to Hashirama's yet Mellanoma says it could've been anybody. Madara was conparing to a power he witnessed himself or the comparison cannot be made. Just accept the facts for what they are Hashirama would use SM against Madara there's not much else to it. Oh and Madara is the superior thaijutsu user since he'd have to be more skilled to avoid getting injured since he didn't have the healing jutsu.
Your argument was Hashirama used SM to heal. Mokuton users have canonically been capable of modifying their bodies in base form meaning they can also heal themselves. Hashirama fought Madara countless times but he also fought other uchiha countless times leaving plenty of room for injuries.
Hashirama fought Madara in base form and defeated him. He didn't use SM until AFTER Madara used Susanoo + Kurama.
How is Madara the more superior fighter? he NEEDs his sharingan to survive Hashirama not due to injuries but because Hashirama is the better fighter
Leave it to @Mellanoma to turn one of the most featless Taijutsu user in the series into a hype thread about him being the best Taijutsu user in the series. This is why I was laughing at you in the other thread. You can't let go of Hashirama, and you'll stop at nothing to fabricate his skills that he's not even close to having.
Hashirama fought Madara his entire life , so he probably got used to how to fight a Sharingan user, just like Gai did with Kakashi , but they were pretty much on pair since they had multiple battles before but that doesnt mean he was the best taijutsu user
Hashirama fought Madara his entire life , so he probably got used to how to fight a Sharingan user, just like Gai did with Kakashi , but they were pretty much on pair since they had multiple battles before but that doesnt mean he was the best taijutsu user
Leave it to @Mellanoma to turn one of the most featless Taijutsu user in the series into a hype thread about him being the best Taijutsu user in the series. This is why I was laughing at you in the other thread. You can't let go of Hashirama, and you'll stop at nothing to fabricate his skills that he's not even close to having.
Your argument was Hashirama used SM to heal. Mokuton users have canonically been capable of modifying their bodies in base form meaning they can also heal themselves. Hashirama fought Madara countless times but he also fought other uchiha countless times leaving plenty of room for injuries.
Only White Zetsu have a healing factor and they're not human. No Mokuton user has shown a healing factor not even Yamato who was made of hashi cells. Only SM Hashi can heal and Madara upon acquiring his SM made reference to possessing his healing factor. And the Hashiboob was also shown.
Hashirama fought Madara in base form and defeated him. He didn't use SM until AFTER Madara used Susanoo + Kurama.
First off there's no proof base Hashi fought Madara as Madara as there were many other injured Senju including Tobirama. After their fight they were floating around yet only Madara was shown so it's a given he fought them.
How is Madara the more superior fighter? he NEEDs his sharingan to survive Hashirama not due to injuries but because Hashirama is the better fighter
Edo SM Hashi was fighting Edo Madara yet Madara who wasn't even at his EMS power level impaled SM Hashi with rods. And the best Hashi could manage was wrap him with wood dragon. It's obvious Madara is superior to SM Hashi especially in thaijutsu or CQC otherwise SM Hashi wouldn't have been the one impaled.
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I know you'll argue Edo Madara was stronger blah blah so here's a scan were Hashi confirms that living no eyed Madara is regaining his former strength. In other words Edo Rinnegan Madara was weaker than a no eyed living Madara and he still impaled SM Hashi with rods. It's obvious who the superior fighter is/was and it's not Hashi.
Fact is manga only show us how they clashed once , according to your logic just because in one instance Hashirama was able to block Madara attack somehow means they are equal in CQC.
No for example Sasuke was able to clash swords with Killer Bee couple times and in end he got completely wrecked.Orochmaru was able to clash with Hiruzen couple times before he got out- performed. Your entire theory is based on just on scan showing Hashirama and Madara clashing with their weapon.
Also we later found out that is wrong.
Edo Madara stabbed Hashirama who was in SM six times with rods while Hashirama had to rely on wood dragon and not on CQC to stop Madara.Clearly Madara is superior in CQC that SM Hashirama.
Bro he simply ignores the manga dude. He fabricates everything about Hashirama and literally said that a stronger version of Madara (above Ems) stalemated a weaker version of Hashirama.
This comes no suprise to me and I just keep laughing every time he says some stupid fanfic about Hashirama.
Fact is manga only show us how they clashed once , according to your logic just because in one instance Hashirama was able to block Madara attack somehow means they are equal in CQC.
No for example Sasuke was able to clash swords with Killer Bee couple times and in end he got completely wrecked.Orochmaru was able to clash with Hiruzen couple times before he got out- performed. Your entire theory is based on just on scan showing Hashirama and Madara clashing with their weapon.
Also we later found out that is wrong.
Edo Madara stabbed Hashirama who was in SM six times with rods while Hashirama had to rely on wood dragon and not on CQC to stop Madara.Clearly Madara is superior in CQC that SM Hashirama.
People forget Hashirama was revived weaker than his normal strength but anyways...
Yes Edo Madara (With Hashirama's strength and abilities + Rinnengan) was able to force Hashirama to use wood dragon to stop him. Lets not forget Edo Madara was revived STRONGER than his prime and Hashirama was not revived at his full strength.
in regards to "One picture" there are plenty of instances in the series showing hashirama vs Madara. I see no SM but I do know there is a sharingan
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I'm starting to think people don't actually read the manga or actually think about what was said and meant.
Only White Zetsu have a healing factor and they're not human. No Mokuton user has shown a healing factor not even Yamato who was made of hashi cells. Only SM Hashi can heal and Madara upon acquiring his SM made reference to possessing his healing factor. And the Hashiboob was also shown.
First off there's no proof base Hashi fought Madara as Madara as there were many other injured Senju including Tobirama. After their fight they were floating around yet only Madara was shown so it's a given he fought them.
Yamato did heal so the fact remains that base Hashirama who's the original could heal as well.
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Edo SM Hashi was fighting Edo Madara yet Madara who wasn't even at his EMS power level impaled SM Hashi with rods. And the best Hashi could manage was wrap him with wood dragon. It's obvious Madara is superior to SM Hashi especially in thaijutsu or CQC otherwise SM Hashi wouldn't have been the one impaled.
You're basing your theories off of Edo Rinnegan with Hashirama abilities and strengths Madara vs Edo Hashirama who was not revived at full power?
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I know you'll argue Edo Madara was stronger blah blah so here's a scan were Hashi confirms that living no eyed Madara is regaining his former strength. In other words Edo Rinnegan Madara was weaker than a no eyed living Madara and he still impaled SM Hashi with rods. It's obvious who the superior fighter is/was and it's not Hashi.
Great comeback but there are a couple issues I have with this statement
1) Hashirama made this statement while Madara had his Sage chakra
2) Madara was fully revived in his prime form with both his DNA and Hashirama's DNA
With these two statements alone how can Hashirama make such a statement? Is he stating EMS Madara = blind Madara? Doubt it but if you have clear insight on this then let me know.
Also Hashirama was revived weaker than his normal strength.
Yes Edo Madara (With Hashirama's strength and abilities + Rinnengan) was able to force Hashirama to use wood dragon to stop him. Lets not forget Edo Madara was revived STRONGER than his prime and Hashirama was not revived at his full strength.
The scan I provided corms Edo Madara was never near his full power not even close. As Hashi said he's regaining his past strength not he was stronger (edo), weaker nowand that he's getting stronger. Edo Madara wasn't using Mokuton or Rinne powwrs against him.
in regards to "One picture" there are plenty of instances in the series showing hashirama vs Madara. I see no SM but I do know there is a sharingan
Pushing out a sword using wood doesn't equal healing from injury, I repeat again only white zetsu are shown to actually heal. Also the reference was to healing and once Tsunade proved him wrong he said your like Hashirama. If it was Mokuton based fanfic healing as you put it then the reference would never have been made. Madara also distinguished between the two when he dissed Tsunade.
You're basing your theories off of Edo Rinnegan with Hashirama abilities and strengths Madara vs Edo Hashirama who was not revived at full power?
Hashi confirmed Edo Madara wasn't at full strength not even close actually if we go by his words of living Madara regaining his former strength. Also Hashi was revived near full power as Tobirama confirmed when they were revived. You have an Edo Madara who's nowhere near his EMS strength vs an Edo SM Hashi who's near his full strength. All Madara is shown using is PS and rods. The point is SM which amps you manyfold was necessary against a Madara who's weaker than EMS Madara and you think it wasn't used against EMS Madara.
Great comeback but there are a couple issues I have with this statement
1) Hashirama made this statement while Madara had his Sage chakra
2) Madara was fully revived in his prime form with both his DNA and Hashirama's DNA
With these two statements alone how can Hashirama make such a statement? Is he stating EMS Madara = blind Madara? Doubt it but if you have clear insight on this then let me know.
Also Hashirama was revived weaker than his normal strength.
1st. Hashi knows Madara's abilities and his own and non SM Madara wrecked the gates that were holding him down while he was even weaker.
2nd. SM Hashi who should be tiers above Madara without SM according to yoy was still restrained by a blind Madara with no SM.
3rd. Hashi knows his own powers and he knows Madara's he made it clear Madara was regaining his past EMS level strength and that wouldn't include his own or SM strength. He also made reference to that once he saw the Hashiboob so he was fully aware of it and yet referred to Madara regaining his(Madara's) past strength.
Your excuse doesn't wash, SM automatically amps you many times over it still wasn't enough to deal with an equally weaker Madara. I've said what I needed to say also Tauren's scan confirmed Hashi was in SM yet had no visible markings on his face and we know this because Madara absorbed the SM later on. In other words SM can be used without markings in Hashi's case so that point is also out of the window.
