Hashirama and tobirama must have had very good genjutsu defense.

[Gerkak]

Why not? Cause he hasn't showed it? The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It's a manga fact in order to have susano'o you need amaterasu and Tsukiyomi. And how else is he gonna cast infinite tsukiyomi on the moon?

Don't twist it it's a databook fact(which we know is total rubbish) not manga fact let me show you an example

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It says susanoo carries totsuka blade and yata mirror. Do you see sasuke and madara's susanoo with those weapons? no so therefore databook is outdated crap.

 

[Draphsin]

Bringer of darkness is a perfect counter to sharingan genjutsu

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[Awkward Linguist]

So he would rather risk dying? What if instead of stabbing him hashirama sliced his head off?

Or Hashi didn't make eye contact. Either way.

 

[oShux]

For now he doesn't. Usually every Uchiha have their own ocular jutsus. How can Itachi and Madara have the same jutsu even though they're not from the same family?

Family doesn't mean anything the abilities are random as far are we know or it depends on how you awakened your MS that determines the ability you get.

 

[Draphsin]

Yes he does it's a manga fact in order to have susanoo you need tsukiyomi and amaterasu. You need those two specific abilities in order to awaken susano'o why do you think Obito said it's a rarity for a user to awaken susano'o

Ive proven this wrong so many times...It is not a manga fact that you need both for susanoo, show me the scan. The databook is only referring to Itachi so dont use that as evidence. & you dont need tsukuyomi for infinite tsukuyomi.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Your second choice is correct. We all know Kishi doesn't use logic in his manga all the time it would kill the story. As I said to the other guy "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. It's a manga fact in order to have susano'o you need amaterasu and Tsukiyomi. And how else is he gonna cast infinite tsukiyomi on the moon?"

No no. If you translate it straight, Tsukuyomi means ''Moon God''. The plan was called ''Tsuki no Me'' that means ''Eye of the Moon''. It's possible that he meant normal Genjutsu. And it's possible that he's going to use Tsukuyomi. But wait. The time limit is 3 days isn't it? So how is he going to break that rule?

 

[Calpal]

For now he doesn't. Usually every Uchiha have their own ocular jutsus. How can Itachi and Madara have the same jutsu even though they're not from the same family?

ehem.. itachi UCHIHA.. madara UCHIHA...?
Lol mate you crazy. its just the way their eyes develop that is different, because they are unique.
just like oShux said "the absence of evidence..."

 

[oShux]

Don't twist it it's a databook fact(which we know is total rubbish) not manga fact let me show you an example

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It says susanoo carries totsuka blade and yata mirror. Do you see sasuke and madara's susanoo with those weapons? no so therefore databook is outdated crap.

Did I say the databook? No learn to ****ing read. and back then Itachi's susano'o was the first and only one we knew of HENCE why it showed only his. They were referring to his susano'o having those weapons stop nit picking

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"Susanoo, also known as the Tempestuous God of Valour (勇武の荒神, Yūbu no Aragami), is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan to those who awaken the abilities Tsukuyomi — which symbolises the "darkness of the spiritual world" and Amaterasu — which denotes the "light of the material world"."

 

[Gerkak]

Or Hashi didn't make eye contact. Either way.

So they didn't make eye contact here?

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[Kishi Uzumaki]

Hashirama was well-versed in genjutsu and could perform powerful illusions such as the Bringer-of-Darkness Technique . don't know about tobirama

 

[oShux]

No no. If you translate it straight, Tsukuyomi means ''Moon God''. The plan was called ''Tsuki no Me'' that means ''Eye of the Moon''. It's possible that he meant normal Genjutsu. And it's possible that he's going to use Tsukuyomi. But wait. The time limit is 3 days isn't it? So how is he going to break that rule?

Proof of time limit being 3 days. Even so being the jin of the juubi breaks that rule

 

[UchihaNagashi]

So they didn't make eye contact here?

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Hashi was staring at Madara's boobs for sure. Just checking the size and wanking over it, before they stop arguing and get back to bed.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Proof of time limit being 3 days. Even so being the jin of the juubi breaks that rule

LoL. Everybody answers the same. Even so, there's no proof on both sides. Just speculation. We should just focuse on Madara's trump card, and he may reveal everything then.

 

[Gerkak]

Did I say the databook? No learn to f*cking read. and back then Itachi's susano'o was the first and only one we knew of HENCE why it showed only his. They were referring to his susano'o having those weapons stop nit picking

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"Susanoo, also known as the Tempestuous God of Valour (勇武の荒神, Yūbu no Aragami), is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan to those who awaken the abilities Tsukuyomi — which symbolises the "darkness of the spiritual world" and Amaterasu — which denotes the "light of the material world"."

Why are you swearing?! You said it was a manga fact so I corrected you and said it was only said in databook. The naruto wiki though I applaud them it is not perfect. It is fans that write it not kishi so what you see thre you take with a pinch of salt. And by the way swearing makes people seem silly learn to tone down.

 

[Draphsin]

Did I say the databook? No learn to f*cking read. and back then Itachi's susano'o was the first and only one we knew of HENCE why it showed only his. They were referring to his susano'o having those weapons stop nit picking

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"Susanoo, also known as the Tempestuous God of Valour (勇武の荒神, Yūbu no Aragami), is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan to those who awaken the abilities Tsukuyomi — which symbolises the "darkness of the spiritual world" and Amaterasu — which denotes the "light of the material world"."

Lol You're telling him to read yet you completely disregard the fact that it was only referring to Itachi's susanoo? Databook states that it boasts those tools & it shows itachi being labelled as the only caster.

 

[Gerkak]

Ive proven this wrong so many times...It is not a manga fact that you need both for susanoo, show me the scan. The databook is only referring to Itachi so dont use that as evidence. & you dont need tsukuyomi for infinite tsukuyomi.

I know what you mean I did one on sasuke not having tsukuyomi. you should see what I had to deal with.

 

[oShux]

Why are you swearing?! You said it was a manga fact so I corrected you and said it was only said in databook. The naruto wiki though I applaud them it is not perfect. It is fans that write it not kishi so what you see thre you take with a pinch of salt. And by the way swearing makes people seem silly learn to tone down.

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Spoiler

I'm sorry :'(

 

[ballerjordan]

Fighting Uchiha's was a regular thing for them, of course they would have counters for genjutsu.

 

[Gerkak]

Fighting Uchiha's was a regular thing for them, of course they would have counters for genjutsu.

but what were these counters. unless all senju were sensors.

 

[oShux]

Lol You're telling him to read yet you completely disregard the fact that it was only referring to Itachi's susanoo? Databook states that it boasts those tools & it shows itachi being labelled as the only caster.

Because when the databook was made Itachi was the only one with it at the time I thought this was common sense?

I know what you mean I did one on sasuke not having tsukuyomi. you should see what I had to deal with.

Sasuke used tsukiyomi on Bee, and Danzo commented on Sasuke's tsukiyomi he said to himself "his tsukiyomi pales in comparison to Itachi's, since Itachi's can manipulate a persons perception of space and time"