hashirama and obito

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is obito now truly stronger than hashirama. Itachi stated that if he and kisame were to fight jiraiya, they wouldn't win, whereas a lot of people do not believe this. So hashi saying obito is stronger than him may not be true. Your opinions
 

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Hashirama has never had a counter for Kamui, giving obito juubi makes it a shitstomp
 

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Hashirama has never had a counter for Kamui, giving obito juubi makes it a shitstomp

This. When itachi stated it, he was an active spy and pacifist who's last intention was harming anyone of konoha, so you can't take what he said at face value. Hashirama, however, has no reason to lie or believe that he is stronger than Obito.
 

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Itachi was loyal to Konoha I doubt he wanted to fight Jiraiya let alone kill him

Even if you don't go by Hashirama statement, Obito is still called the strongest at the end of the chapter

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It came from a SERIOUS Hashirama, do you really think this is not enough proof?? he sliced tobirama side clean off, enough proof??
 

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when they have their fight, hashi wud surely find a way to counter kamui
 

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we all knew obito to be stronger than kakashi,yet kakashi beat him.So am saying hashi can too. Some ninjas may be stronger than the other but it depends on whether the opponent is a good math up or not
 

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Hashirama had no reason to be lying. Plus anybody including ten ten that has the juubis powers and can control it is going to be more powerful than hashirama.
 

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ok sometimes you have to think rather than believing character's words.

the reason itachi came back to konoha was to tell konoha's elders that ''i am still alive'', so if itachi wants to protect konoha why would he attack jiraiya?. but then again if you who is stronger, it would be itachi due to his S-rank genjutsu skills which are a disadvantage to jiraiya. the perfect counter for jiraiya would be genjutsu, and itachi has tskuyomi which jiraiya cannot break. thats why itachi wins against jiraiya.

obito would still be stronger even if hashirama didnt say so. obito has kamui which hashirama needs to know how it works in order to defeat obito. obito has the rinnegan powers and its been stated countless times that he can use all of them, hashirama doesnt have a counter for any of them. obito's mokuton skills arent that good, but with juubi's chakra making his mokuton at least 20 times more powerful, it should be even stronger than hashirama's. and he has the juubi's unimaginable power which makes him unbeatable. do you think hashirama needs to say obito is stronger so that we can believe that obito is stronger? no. you have to look at their feats to compare who is stronger. character's words arent credible unless they dont contradict them selves, or they havent justified yet.
 
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