Naruto has yet to reach his potential at the age of 16. Pit Naruto against Hashi at the same age, and you'll find that Naruto negs.
By war arc, Naruto barely had time with SM, let alone BM. He had barely scratched the surface of his true potential.
Madara cannot be surpassed. He had Hashirama's power merged with his own and the Sage of Six Path's power. After possessing his Duel Rinnegan again, he reached Kaguya's level. I just don't see Sasuke or Naruto there or reaching that level.
These are scans of Naruto and Sasuke fighting at a very high level and showing impressive feats that surpass them.
Naruto was fighting the juubi head to head. Do you think Madara or Hashirama could ever do that?
Hashirama would need to use head seals to bind it otherwise he dies, and even madara would die if not for the rinnegan.
They completely surpass them that it's not even funny. Like what can EMS Madara do that EMS Sasuke hasn't already done? On top of that he has enton/amatersu that can take out bijuus. BM or Bsm naruto took on the juubi and tanked its attacks, that's already enough to triumph over sm hashirama
You can't be serious :lol You don't understand that you haven't surpassed another person if you can't beat them in a fight one on one and its blatant fact that EMS Madara > EMS SAsuke and SM Hashirama > BSM Naruto based on feats and even hype. Of course Hashirama could fight head on with the Juubi dude, you honestly think it would have been able to pull all that shit if Hashirama was fighting it? trasnformaion and firing Bijuu dama? Hashirama would have binded it like a puppy, smacked it around with Shinshuusenju, and literally attack it from all angles with Mokuton. To be honest Hashirama would have been more of a fight alone than the whole shinobi alliance against the Juubi beside superior tech's like Kamui which could be very useful. And lmao no he wouldn't die neither would Madara. All you're doing is being biased and trying to underestimate them.
Again, EMS Madara's PS > EMS Sasukes arsenal. EMS Madara's stamina and chakra > EMS SAsuke's. What he can or cannot do doesn't matter. fact is he's not as strong as Madara.
Hashirama's Chakra and Endurance > BSM Naruto's. Hashirama's Jutsu > Naruto's Jutsu even in BSM. He can counter everything Naruto has to offer, outlast and survive him. He probably could put the Kyuubi asleep too and make naruto lose BSM.
Naruto has yet to reach his potential at the age of 16. Pit Naruto against Hashi at the same age, and you'll find that Naruto negs.
By war arc, Naruto barely had time with SM, let alone BM. He had barely scratched the surface of his true potential.
Outside of RSM. Naruto's potential at 16 was the same 20years later according to gaiden.
The only thing that failed is what you just tried to defend :lol
If Hashirama has the same tech's at 16 as he currently does than Naruto isn't negging anything. If he doesn't then Naruto wins because of Kurama (external power).
The hand of the Mokujin that sits on top of Shinshusenju's head can hold the fully kyuubi like a kitten. How is Naruto going to destroy that without RSM techs?
How does Sasuke destroy MAdara's PS without Rikudo powerup?
You can't be serious :lol You don't understand that you haven't surpassed another person if you can't beat them in a fight one on one and its blatant fact that EMS Madara > EMS SAsuke and SM Hashirama > BSM Naruto based on feats and even hype. Of course Hashirama could fight head on with the Juubi dude, you honestly think it would have been able to pull all that shit if Hashirama was fighting it? trasnformaion and firing Bijuu dama? Hashirama would have binded it like a puppy, smacked it around with Shinshuusenju, and literally attack it from all angles with Mokuton. To be honest Hashirama would have been more of a fight alone than the whole shinobi alliance against the Juubi beside superior tech's like Kamui which could be very useful. And lmao no he wouldn't die neither would Madara. All you're doing is being biased and trying to underestimate them.
There is legitimately no dignified feats that any of them have besides the fact that they fought each other at vote. Shinshuusenju is worthless against the juubi, one juubi nuke would light up ten of those things.
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So don't start wanking hashirama to that extent, putting the juubi in a temporary head seal is pointless when the juubi can still attack when he is still in it. If not for the alliance, hashirama would be getting destroyed and regenerating over and over again against that wild beast. I'm surprise that you didn't take naruto's notable feats like.
1. Bm naruto deflecting five bijuudamas that are mountain busting range.
2. Tanking a juubi laser that was able to over power the kyuubi and hachibi's relentless bijuudama blast.
3. Fighting for two days with little to no fatigue while handing out chakra to the alliance including hashirama.
Again, EMS Madara's PS > EMS Sasukes arsenal. EMS Madara's stamina and chakra > EMS SAsuke's. What he can or cannot do doesn't matter. fact is he's not as strong as Madara.
Madara does not have more chakra than Sasuke, the only thing he has is better stamina because he was able to last for a day like Hashirama. Besides that Sasuke's chakra is not only stronger thanks to senjutsu but he also has a mangekyo doujutsu in each eyes unlike madara does.
You can't just rely on him simply being "stronger" Sasuke's latent power was said to surpass madara's already. Like what is he going to do to Sasuke?
-Susanoo? That's a stalemate, they're at the same level of Susanoo.
-Taijutsu? Both took out an army with three tomoe, Sasuke being a lot more than madara's considering that gaara stopped madara mid way.
-Katon? Hell no, especially with amatersu being the strongest firestyle in the series that burns fire itself.
-Speed? Nope, Sasuke is clearly faster every since hebi form existed. Madara's was still keeping up with hashirama in taijutsu.
Nothing there really. And just added Enton with lightining too and Madara has no response to it because all he had was uchiha basic katon.
Hashirama's Chakra and Endurance > BSM Naruto's. Hashirama's Jutsu > Naruto's Jutsu even in BSM. He can counter everything Naruto has to offer, outlast and survive him. He probably could put the Kyuubi asleep too and make naruto lose BSM.
BSM Naruto's Chakra and Endurance>>>Hashirama's by a mile. Hashirama fought Madara for one day and he fell down to fatigue. BSM naruto was there during the whole war out for two days fighting and still had enough stamina to fight kaguya and sasuke.
BSM Naruto's jutsu renders all of Hashiramas jutsus useless. His life energy turned wood dragon into a huge bush and hashirmama's signature wood human with wood dragon around it gets destroyed by a single tailed beast bomb like it did at Vote.
Hashirama can't put a jinchuuriki to sleep, where are you getting this from?
It seems alot of people are confused about this. If it wasn't for the war at least Naruto would never surpass Hashirama since he already reached the maximum height of his power at age 16 and it would level off there for the rest of his life. Sasuke would have eventually reached Madara's level with enough training experience.
Outside of RSM. Naruto's potential at 16 was the same 20years later according to gaiden.
The only thing that failed is what you just tried to defend :lol
If Hashirama has the same tech's at 16 as he currently does than Naruto isn't negging anything. If he doesn't then Naruto wins because of Kurama (external power).
The only way Hashi get's Naruto is if he uses the Avatar. BM is faster than anything Hashi has shown and BSM is much faster, being able to keep up with Juubito. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hashi state that Juubito is superior, even his brother agreed he was no match. Hash's biggest and most powerful tech is his 1000 arm Buddha. What good will it do if he can't touch Naruto. :lol
Don't bring up the pathetic external power excuse. If you want take Kurama out and give Naruto back all the years he spent dealing with him, then things will be fair.
As the years went by his power only grew.
Hokage Naruto BSM>>>TL Naruto BSM>>War arc BSM.
Naruto def. negs.
Hard to say. It depends which version of each we are talking about when comparing.
Don't forget, that pre 4th shinobi war Hashi was thought to have defeated Madara and Kurama with no additional power other than his Wood jutsu. Kishi later added both SM and extreme forms of wood avatar's to his repertoire to make him superior to a very powerful madara with an extremely powerful summon. After that, we learned Madara layered his Susanoo Avatar atop Kurama, making him more formidable but still inferior to Hashi.
Without a doubt, Hashi was superior to SM Naruto that defeated Pain, but I don't think he'd be able to compete with the Naruto you showed here. Naruto BSM with all tailed beasts' chakra nature added to his Rasenshiruken's roflstomps Hashi. I think Naruto before his interaction with the sage was still capable of defeating hashi, but it would be a duel for sure.
Sasuke though... I'd agree that before the sage's power up, he was not superior to EMS avatar layered Kurama. Even the Sasuke shown here wouldn't be able to defeat a full powered Madara from way back when imo.
Nope, EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto would've surpassed them eventually, they were only 16 and were already capable of overpowering a JuubiJin. In their prime their feats would shit on Hashirama and Madara's abilities.
BSM Naruto's Chakra and Endurance>>>Hashirama's by a mile. Hashirama fought Madara for one day and he fell down to fatigue. BSM naruto was there during the whole war out for two days fighting and still had enough stamina to fight kaguya and sasuke.
BSM Naruto's jutsu renders all of Hashiramas jutsus useless. His life energy turned wood dragon into a huge bush and hashirmama's signature wood human with wood dragon around it gets destroyed by a single tailed beast bomb like it did at Vote.
Hashirama can't put a jinchuuriki to sleep, where are you getting this from?
The only way Hashi get's Naruto is if he uses the Avatar. BM is faster than anything Hashi has shown and BSM is much faster, being able to keep up with Juubito. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hashi state that Juubito is superior, even his brother agreed he was no match. Hash's biggest and most powerful tech is his 1000 arm Buddha. What good will it do if he can't touch Naruto. :lol
Don't bring up the pathetic external power excuse. If you want take Kurama out and give Naruto back all the years he spent dealing with him, then things will be fair.
As the years went by his power only grew.
Hokage Naruto BSM>>>TL Naruto BSM>>War arc BSM.
Naruto def. negs.
Only RSM Naruto even comes close to Hashi. You're forgetting that BSM naruto was fodderised by a simple mokuton Dragon from Madara :|
After Naruto got RSM that was when Kakashi acknowledged that Naruto > Previous Hokage. Hashirama >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BM Naruto by a Long way.
He just spams a Gigantic forest with POISNOUS pollen and fire style meanwhile Mokuton dragon at bay is waiting at bay. BTW His golem shits on Bijuu dama :|
HashiraMadara soloing the most important posts here. Why I said "most important"? It bcus the lack of comprehension is present there and surely not looking deep enough into Manga feats.
People like to play with future potential where I unable to see significant differences between their teen age performance and adult performance potential wise and how they handle all situations.
Their battle prowess still not in the same league as HashiMad if they not receive any power up. Naruto and Sasuke lived in peace era. 4th World war not a nation war/clan war but Hashirama and Madara always in constant war between two powerful clans in NV history. Their battle sharpness were always in check bcus they need to prepare them selves for big clash.
It seems alot of people are confused about this. If it wasn't for the war at least Naruto would never surpass Hashirama since he already reached the maximum height of his power at age 16 and it would level off there for the rest of his life. Sasuke would have eventually reached Madara's level with enough training experience.
Sasuke is not even close to Madara in skill and knowlegde and can never surpass him in that. Dont forget that Madara got everything by his own skill while your fav got fed with diamond spoon.
On other hand Naruto skill can be increased in almost everything, sage mode instant, sage mode combined with Kurama and sage toads together by practicing. By young age Naruto has mastered seal ten to bring down Kurama, he already surpassed Hashirama in everything when he send all of his clones to all of war field and defeat all enemies.
It seems alot of people are confused about this. If it wasn't for the war at least Naruto would never surpass Hashirama since he already reached the maximum height of his power at age 16 and it would level off there for the rest of his life. Sasuke would have eventually reached Madara's level with enough training experience.
Only RSM Naruto even comes close to Hashi. You're forgetting that BSM naruto was fodderised by a simple mokuton Dragon from Madara :|
After Naruto got RSM that was when Kakashi acknowledged that Naruto > Previous Hokage. Hashirama >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BM Naruto by a Long way.
He just spams a Gigantic forest with POISNOUS pollen and fire style meanwhile Mokuton dragon at bay is waiting at bay. BTW His golem shits on Bijuu dama :|
No, Madara only suppressed BM Naruto's Avatar, not BSM. Even then he quickly got away once he undid the Avatar to aid Kakashi against Obito. Which is why I said in the earlier post that the only way for Hashi to get Naruto, is if he uses the Avatar.
It's a known fact that the body gets stronger each year for a certain amount of years, it doesn't just stop at age 16. By the time he'd reach Hashi's age, he'd be much stronger and his own chakra pool would increase as well.
In the war arc BSM Naruto is equal to or greater than Hashi, however in time he'd go beyond that. His peak doesn't stop at 16 years of age.
Hashi has no speed feats comparable to Naruto. What good are those giant attacks if they can't get to or hit Naruto?
