Hashirama and Itachi

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@Exaar, you sound like if you still have any hope left that Hiruzen might stand up to Hashirama, at least 'cause he could have some monstrous unknown power in his prime.

btt, it should be clear that Hashirama talked in a moral sense by putting Itachi above him. What kind of information does Hashirama have about Itachis abilities, to be sure he is inferior? He knows nothing about Itachi's but his actions, logically he spoke about them, about what Itachi has done for the village.
 

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As an Itachi fan that thinks Itachi could beat Hashirama,

I believe most of NB is preoccupied with power.

Obviously, Hashirama can create shit that's ten times bigger than Kurama.

But Itachi's a lot smarter, and as he said, "Every jutsu has a weakness. The weakness to your jutsu is... me."

Basically, between Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Izanami, and the Totsuka, Itachi has the offensive oomph.

So as long as he outsmarts his opponent in maneuvering, he can beat just about anyone.

And since Itachi tricked Sage Kabuto with a clone feint twice, there aren't many people he can't trick that way.
 

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As an Itachi fan that thinks Itachi could beat Hashirama,

I believe most of NB is preoccupied with power.

Obviously, Hashirama can create shit that's ten times bigger than Kurama.

But Itachi's a lot smarter, and as he said, "Every jutsu has a weakness. The weakness to your jutsu is... me."

Basically, between Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Izanami, and the Totsuka, Itachi has the offensive oomph.

So as long as he outsmarts his opponent in maneuvering, he can beat just about anyone.

And since Itachi tricked Sage Kabuto with a clone feint twice, there aren't many people he can't trick that way.

If he used all these in a battle, he would die from chakra exhaustion. I am not an Itachi hater, I like the character just fine. It is the Itachi wankers I cannot stand.

#Itachi-Wankers-Gone-Wild
 

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it seems that you are easily bothered.

people/fans only took what hashirama said out of context

-because of the fact that they can use this to get under peoples skin, like you
and because other people use what they call 'logic' in a similar scenario that ironically is the same situation when they're defending a character that they favor more.

this not only leaves you vulnerable, but it slightly makes you look ignorant.
we know that hashirama wasn't implying that itachi was stronger that him any given category other than being a shinobi/ninja, but at the same time, hashirama isn't saying, "he's a better shinobi than me by the choices he made, but i know i know i'm still stronger in a fight."
 

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If he used all these in a battle, he would die from chakra exhaustion. I am not an Itachi hater, I like the character just fine. It is the Itachi wankers I cannot stand.

#Itachi-Wankers-Gone-Wild

Why on earth would he ever have to use ALL of them?

If Tsukuyomi lands, the battle is over.

If (his) Amaterasu lands, the battle is over.

If the Totsuka lands, the battle is over.

So with a clone feint, creating a dust cloud, etc. He could land those techniques.

We know Hebi Sasuke lasted because Itachi wanted him to.

Edo Nagato had to regenerate a few times from Amaterasu/Susano'o landing.

Kabuto had full knowledge and couldn't be killed or his Edo Tensei would forever be active.
 

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I'm an Itachi fan... and I swear... one of those days I'll start a massive purification of our ranks.. ~_~"
 

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If he used all these in a battle, he would die from chakra exhaustion. I am not an Itachi hater, I like the character just fine. It is the Itachi wankers I cannot stand.

#Itachi-Wankers-Gone-Wild

List of jutsus used vs the Sasuke fight (In which he was dying sick)

Genjutsu(s)
Crow bunshin
Tsukuyomi
Katon Fireball
Katon Fireball
Amaterasu 1
Amaterasu 2 (Massive 180 degree Amaterasu, not just ur 1 spot spawning amaterasu)
Removed Amaterasu
Susano 1 (Tanked Kirin and then dissapeared due to the damage involved)
Susano 2
Sealed Amaterasu in Sasuke for the hit on Tobi (Databook said it was his chakra, only using Sasuke's sharingan as a medium)


Itachi used more more than what you said would drain him good.... yet he died of his sickness, not chakra exhaustion.
 

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it seems that you are easily bothered.

people/fans only took what hashirama said out of context

-because of the fact that they can use this to get under peoples skin, like you
and because other people use what they call 'logic' in a similar scenario that ironically is the same situation when they're defending a character that they favor more.

this not only leaves you vulnerable, but it slightly makes you look ignorant.
we know that hashirama wasn't implying that itachi was stronger that him any given category other than being a shinobi/ninja, but at the same time, hashirama isn't saying, "he's a better shinobi than me by the choices he made, but i know i know i'm still stronger in a fight."

Ignorant: Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

Saying I am ignorant? Do you even know me? I am educated on this topic, because I have read the manga, and have seen Itachi wankers take this out of control. Calling people ignorant is not nice, so I would advise you not to do it again. It could lead too some reports, or negative reps. Anyways, that particular comment is an insult. Please read up on the global rules.

#Itachi-Wankers-Gone-Wild
 

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Ignorant: Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

Saying I am ignorant? Do you even know me? I am educated on this topic, because I have read the manga, and have seen Itachi wankers take this out of control. Calling people ignorant is not nice, so I would advise you not to do it again. It could lead too some reports, or negative reps. Anyways, that particular comment is an insult. Please read up on the global rules.

#Itachi-Wankers-Gone-Wild

i dont really care for neg reps since it's not doing any damage to me in real life.

i didn't say you ARE ignorant. i said it makes you LOOK ignorant. i do not know you, i can't label you but i can still give my opinion on a post that i've seen too much of.

i do sincerely apologize though if i hurt your feelings, it was not my intentions.

"entire ignorance is not so terrible or extreme an evil, and is far of being one of the greatest of all; too much cleverness and too much learning, accompanied by ill bringing-up, are far more fatal."
 
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I personally like Itachi more because of his good deeds and selfless personality, but i agree that Hashirama is far better than Itachi.
 

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people are dumb for saying that and i say again anyone in top 10 has a shot at killing each other as mortals
 

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Better shinobi is.......
Hashi can't kill tobi, when madara ask to hashi
But
Itachi kill all his clan for the village....

This is better shinobi put the village first then the family. But at first time hashi put dreams and family ( before konoha village created ) but after konoha village created hashi say, that he will kill every one who attack konoha even his brother, in this time hashi put horse behin cart.
 
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