Hashirama and Hiruzen Timeline!!!

[MickNerks]

This is a discussion thread to discuss the Timeline of Hiruzen and Hashirama. I've noticed that many Hashirama supporters like to claim that the only reason people called Hiruzen the strongest of all the hokage is because they were not around during Hashirama's time. This is extremely incorrect. Ill attempt to explain.


Hashirama was Hiruzen sensei, and died while he was young. Hashirama and tobirama were both around when hiruzen was younger (between 5-16):

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Tobirama was also Hiruzen's sensei and was alive during Hashirama's time. Tobirama once again died in battle, but the people around his age were still alive and were around to see hashirama and tobirama in battle. Hiruzen entered his prime shortly after tobirama's death, maybe 5 to 10 years afterwards which would still leave people alive who knew of Hashirama's power. So the people who were around to see hiruzen become hokage were the same people who saw Hashirama and Tobirama as hokage.

Ill give you an figurative example:

Pre-Hashirama Death

Hashirama Age:25-27
Tobirama Age: 22-24
Hiruzen Age: 7-9
Peers of Hashirama & Tobirama: 21-29


Post-Hashirama Death

Hashirama (at time of death): 29 - 31
Tobirama Age: 26 - 28
Hiruzen Age: 11 - 13
Peers of Hashirama & Tobirama: 23 - 31


Tobirama's Death + Hiruzen Made Hokage

Tobirama Age: 30 - 31
Hiruzen Age: 15 - 17
Peers of Hashirama & Tobirama: 25 - 33


Hiruzen in his Prime + Hokage

Hiruzen Age: 27 - 29
Peers of Hashirama & Tobirama: 35 - 43


With this little example I hope you can see that the same people who saw Hashirama in his prime, were the same people to see Hiruzen in his prime. There is no time difference between the two. And when Iruka stated that it is said that he possess superlative strength, it was stated by people who were around to see both Hashirama and Hiruzen in their prime.

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This is all I am trying to clear up.. This IS NOT A VERSUS thread, and its also not a "OH KISHI CHANGED HIS MIND" thread. This was just to bring awareness of the timeline.​

 

[A$AP Wap]

Hashirama only looks young because of that Jutsu that makes Tsunade look young.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB]

 

[Zook1]

Hashirama only looks young because of that Jutsu that makes Tsunade look young.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB]

Fail ^^^ .

OT: Nice observation and decent info. +rep

 

[MickNerks]

Hashirama only looks young because of that Jutsu that makes Tsunade look young.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB]

??? Hashirama was youung!!

He wasnt that much older than Tobirama, and tobirama was young when he died.

 

[Filo]

I read it, and it does make sense.

 

[SenjuOmar]

Hiruzen is not even on the same level as the senju hokages he's not even on the sane level as minato

 

[MickNerks]

Hiruzen is not even on the same level as the senju hokages he's not even on the sane level as minato

That has nothing to do with this thread. This is about the timeline

 

[A$AP Wap]

??? Hashirama was youung!!

He wasnt that much older than Tobirama, and tobirama was young when he died.

Ok? He only looked like he was 20 due to that Jutsu Tsunade used. We still don't know how he died.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB]

 

[Gααrα]

plausible .......

 

[Skull Knight]

Ill give you an figurative example:




Post-Hashirama Death

Hashirama (at time of death): 29 - 31



This is all I am trying to clear up.. This IS NOT A VERSUS thread, and its also not a "OH KISHI CHANGED HIS MIND" thread. This was just to bring awareness of the timeline.[/CENTER]

(Bold)Are u serious?
Hashirama saw his granddaughter Tsunade at a age of what 31.
When did he married then?
or when did his children grown up?or gave birth to Tsunade?

 

[Gααrα]

Kishi's brain hole v.v

 

[LuckyMan]

(Bold)Are u serious?
Hashirama saw his granddaughter Tsunade at a age of what 31.
When did he married then?
or when did his children grown up?or gave birth to Tsunade?

Nope that was a plot hole. Hashirama never saw young Tsunade. Kishi just threw that in there.

 

[MickNerks]

(Bold)Are u serious?
Hashirama saw his granddaughter Tsunade at a age of what 31.
When did he married then?
or when did his children grown up?or gave birth to Tsunade?

Hashirama was married during his last fight with madara.
Tsunade could have been born especially if Hashirama had his child in his teens with mito.

 

[LuckyMan]

Hashirama was married during his last fight with madara.
Tsunade could have been born especially if Hashirama had his child in his teens with mito.

No

Hiruzen was 70 at death. Tsunade was 50. That makes Hiruzen 20 years older than all the Sannin. Hiruzen became Hokage when he was a teenager (15-18) so Tsunade or the other Sannin were not even born yet and Hashirama was already dead because Tobirama was Hokage so Hashirama never seen Tsunade and he never knew her. It was a huge plot hole through in by Kishi!

 

[MickNerks]

No

Hiruzen was 70 at death. Tsunade was 50. That makes Hiruzen 20 years older than all the Sannin. Hiruzen became Hokage when he was a teenager (15-18) so Tsunade or the other Sannin were not even born yet and Hashirama was already dead because Tobirama was Hokage so Hashirama never seen Tsunade and he never knew her. It was a huge plot hole through in by Kishi!

Nice catch. Completely agree, would +rep if I could. That is a unnecessary plot hole.

 

[startup97]

Damn straight MickNerks!

 

[MickNerks]

I hope they can stop using the timeline excuse as why the comments about hiruzen arnt valid.

 

[Narutobirama]

Hashirama knew Tsunade when she was around two years old. He probably died after that.

If Tsunade was born when Hashirama was around 36, that would mean he died when he was 38.

Hiruzen would be 22. And Tobirama had around 35.

So, Hiruzen became Hokage when he was 23. And Tobirama died when he was around 36.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Nope that was a plot hole. Hashirama never saw young Tsunade. Kishi just threw that in there.

Calling it a plot hole just to avoid the complexity of the manga. Kisimoto making Hashirama say that he sopiled Tsunade and that she picked up his habits, obviously means that she was born during his life time. That's a fact that you are knowingly turning away from.

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No

Hiruzen was 70 at death. Tsunade was 50. That makes Hiruzen 20 years older than all the Sannin. Hiruzen became Hokage when he was a teenager (15-18) so Tsunade or the other Sannin were not even born yet and Hashirama was already dead because Tobirama was Hokage so Hashirama never seen Tsunade and he never knew her. It was a huge plot hole through in by Kishi!

Hmm. . . and tell me, how do you know that Hiruzen was a teenager when he became a Hokage. . . ? hmm

You are concentrating only on one or two events from the whole Naruto Timeline, thus misjudging the whole situation. . . meaning the way you put it, will not add up with the rest of the Timeline. :yeah: