Uhm yes it does, just read what the sage said in the bottom right corner. There's a reason why he left the stone tablet to Indra and his incarnates. Hashirama doesn't have special chakra in the optic nerves either.
nagato was living proof of that...he was of asura's bloodline yet used the rinnegan just fine...
You just made that up. Nagato does not have Ashura's bloodline, he has distant senju bloodline.
His Uzamaki life force was so great that he was able to handle the rinnegan. That's completely different from any other Senju for that matter. Nagato had it for since like 10 years old training under jiraiya (elements) and Tobi (rinnegan capabilities) yet he still couldn't use full power of the rinnegan.
if anything would support hashirama's inferiority when it came to wielding the rinnegan would be EXPERIENCE
Not sure why members are bringing up Nagato though, he wasn't the original owner,
even Obito was being taxed by the Rennegan, to the point he said he could only use one,
regardless of the fact that he was both an Uchiha and had Hashi cells.
OT - With a Rinnegan Hashirama would be able to see Limbo and 1 eyed Rinnegan Madara can't even use PS, so Hashi would rape him. Not sure about a hypothetical DRSM Maddy.
He's carrying truth seeking orbs. And having the body of the sage is having the rsm of the sage.
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Uhm yes it does, just read what the sage said in the bottom right corner. There's a reason why he left the stone tablet to Indra and his incarnates. Hashirama doesn't have special chakra in the optic nerves either.
You just made that up. Nagato does not have Ashura's bloodline, he has distant senju bloodline.
His Uzamaki life force was so great that he was able to handle the rinnegan. That's completely different from any other Senju for that matter. Nagato had it for since like 10 years old training under jiraiya (elements) and Tobi (rinnegan capabilities) yet he still couldn't use full power of the rinnegan.
1. you dont need senjutsu to use truth seeking balls...tenseigan
2. hagoromo left the stone tablet to stop the recreation of the rinnegan...no where does it state that the rinnegan can only be awakened by indra's bloodline "ONLY" and you wont ever find that becuase it doesnt exist...
3. Asura's bloodline= senju and uzumaki clans...do you understand?...I did not make sh*t up...I am not you...ps why would handling the rinnegan be different for senju?...they inherited asura's powerful life force and physical energy no?...
4. yes it would...in fact experience is what kurama cited as the reason sasuke's rinnegan paled in comparison to nagato's prowess during the valley of the end 2 fight
That's a movie and it was chakra mode that gave Toneri the tsb
2. hagoromo left the stone tablet to stop the recreation of the rinnegan...no where does it state that the rinnegan can only be awakened by indra's bloodline "ONLY" and you wont ever find that becuase it doesnt exist...
False. Hagormoo said that he always thought that the rinnegan will appear in Indra and his incarnates so he left the stone tablet to reform their thinking. Indra's incarnate are the only ones with the sharingan, an Senju obtaining a rinnegan is impossible because they don't meet the standards. Uchiha's special chakra is from the brain that reflect off their eyes, this includes Indra's incarnates. Senjus have no special chakra in the brains
3. Asura's bloodline= senju and uzumaki clans...do you understand?...I did not make sh*t up...I am not you...ps why would handling the rinnegan be different for senju?...they inherited asura's powerful life force and physical energy no?...
Uzamakis are descendants of the Senju, they're a cousin clan. Ashura appearing before naruto isn't only because of thinned connections but there is no senjus around. Ashura has strong physical energy yes, but he does not have strong spiritual energy to use anything ocular.
4. yes it would...in fact experience is what kurama cited as the reason sasuke's rinnegan paled in comparison to nagato's prowess during the valley of the end 2 fight
At the Bold part, the kyuubi never said that at all. He said his rinnegan is new so he can't use all his techniques in one session. That's it.
Nagato was taught how to use his rinnegan, Sasuke natural did all of his on his own with little to no chakra left.
That's a movie and it was chakra mode that gave Toneri the tsb
False. Hagormoo said that he always thought that the rinnegan will appear in Indra and his incarnates so he left the stone tablet to reform their thinking. Indra's incarnate are the only ones with the sharingan, an Senju obtaining a rinnegan is impossible because they don't meet the standards. Uchiha's special chakra is from the brain that reflect off their eyes, this includes Indra's incarnates. Senjus have no special chakra in the brains
Uzamakis are descendants of the Senju, they're a cousin clan. Ashura appearing before naruto isn't only because of thinned connections but there is no senjus around. Ashura has strong physical energy yes, but he does not have strong spiritual energy to use anything ocular.
At the Bold part, the kyuubi never said that at all. He said his rinnegan is new so he can't use all his techniques in one session. That's it.
Nagato was taught how to use his rinnegan, Sasuke natural did all of his on his own with little to no chakra left.
1. a chakra mode that came from the tenseigan...correct
2. stop twisting kishi's words...why dont you cite that page...what hagoromo stated was that he always thought that someone within the uchiha would try to awaken the rinnegan because "indra= power and emotions bullshit"...not because chakra in the damn brain...if thats how it was why did black zetsu also APPROACH THE SENJU in the hopes of awakening the rinnegan?...lolololol I'll go ahead the cite the page...
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3. nope...asura appearing in naruto is because plot...if asura was strictly pro-senju then tsunade would have been a reincarnation because plot...do you understand?...spiritual energy does not equate to dojutsu...if it does then explain the hyuga...
4. nagato was taught how to use the rinnegan by whom?...LMAOOOO
Tenseigan Energy vessel. And again, it's a non canon movie.
2. stop twisting kishi's words...why dont you cite that page...what hagoromo stated was that he always thought that someone within the uchiha would try to awaken the rinnegan because "indra= power and emotions bullshit"...not because chakra in the damn brain...if thats how it was why did black zetsu also APPROACH THE SENJU in the hopes of awakening the rinnegan?...lolololol I'll go ahead the cite the page...
How am I twisting his words? the Sharingan is what became the rinnegan in the first place. Black zetsu approaching senjus means nothing when no senju is able to awaken it in the first place. Naruto received Hagormoo's chakra and he didn't get any rinnegan, so your logic there is flawed. Without the sharingan first, there will be no rinnegan.
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3. nope...asura appearing in naruto is because plot...if asura was strictly pro-senju then tsunade would have been a reincarnation because plot...do you understand?...spiritual energy does not equate to dojutsu...if it does then explain the hyuga...
LMAOOO What kind of excuse is this? PLOT? You're not serious
Spiritual energy does not equate to doujustus? This is priceless. All Uchiha doujustus are Spiritual energy related.
Heading: Yin-Yang Release Techniques. The "origin's" properties are filled with great mysteries. The Yin-Yang Release techniques are analyzed here.
Six Paths: The secret technique forming all creation out of nothingness and giving it life.
↓ Spiritual and physical energy. That is Yin-Yang Release.
"Yin Release", which creates form out of nothingness and "Yang Release", which breathes life into form. The one with the skill to manipulate those two attributes, the Sage of Six Paths Hagoromo Otsutsuki, developed the "Creation of All Things Technique". He also created the nine bodies of the Tailed Beasts out of the Ten-Tails chakra, making them gifts of Yin-Yang Release. After this, the Uchiha Clan inherited Yin Release and the Senju Clan inherited Yang Release.
Hashirama is not a doujutsu-type.
Nagato had his entire life, like 30-40 years?, to train with the Rinnegan and still was very weak compared to Madara and Sasuke. Madara, as an Uchiha, is a doujutsu-type AND the original user of his Rinnegan which is very important for doujutsu-users. So without doubt, Madara Rinnegan > Hashirama Rinnegan.
Yea this, I don't see hashi using the rinnegan to its fullest potential, and ocular prowess is best suited for uchihas, ashuuras transmigrants are not smart enough to wield complicated powers, having chakra to spam is their area of expertice, but an indra incarnate would be having a better buff if his body is enhanced
Tenseigan Energy vessel. And again, it's a non canon movie.
How am I twisting his words? the Sharingan is what became the rinnegan in the first place. Black zetsu approaching senjus means nothing when no senju is able to awaken it in the first place. Naruto received Hagormoo's chakra and he didn't get any rinnegan, so your logic there is flawed. Without the sharingan first, there will be no rinnegan.
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LMAOOO What kind of excuse is this? PLOT? You're not serious
Spiritual energy does not equate to doujustus? This is priceless. All Uchiha doujustus are Spiritual energy related.
1. you mean THE F*CKING TENSEIGAN...the energy vessel just housed byakugan...the energy vessel has nothing to do with the dojutsu...if it did then the fight between naruto and toneri wouldnt have happened...and the Last is canon...its even called chapter 699.5 on official posters...kishimoto even called it "the story that tells what happens during the timeskip"...you just dont wanna admit it because it disproves your stupid ass fanfiction...lololololol see the link below...
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2. WRONG...its the rinnegan that devolved into the sharingan...just because senju doesnt have dojutsu doesnt mean that they wont awaken the rinnegan...naruto not getting the rinnegan didnt happen because kishimoto didnt want it to happen...
- black zetsu also approached the senju...meaning your entire fanfiction argument is proven wrong...
- nagato had no problems wielding the rinnegan...disproving your fanfiction argument again...
- hagoromo (kishimoto) stated that indra + asura chakra= equals rinnegan...not indra + asura chakra + sharingan = rinnegan...
- show me ANYWHERE IN THE MANGA where it states that you need sharingan to awaken the rinnegan...until you show me that link then you will always be typing stupid fanfiction...and you wont ever find that in the manga because that stupid fanfiction doesnt exist...
3. yes plot...and so what?...sharingan being spirit related doesnt mean jack shit when the dojutsu itself produces body related tecnhiques...in fact if all dojutsu are just spirit related then explain the hyuga clan's byakugan...lolololololol
4. so WHO TAUGHT NAGATO HOW TO CONTROL THE RINNEGAN???...last time I checked jiraiya didnt know jack shit about how that dojutsu worked...he just stated that that nagato learned everything he taught him because he was able to use all 6 change in chakra natures...and it cant be obito because if it was then it opens up some MASSIVE plot holes...such as:
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to summon the gedo statue?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the deva path?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the rinne rebirth?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the six paths of pain?...
^^^ I'm glad you and your fanfic bullsh*t isnt actually in the story of naruto...it'd be filled with massive plot holes and sh*tty ass writing
Yea this, I don't see hashi using the rinnegan to its fullest potential, and ocular prowess is best suited for uchihas, ashuuras transmigrants are not smart enough to weild complicated powers, having chakra to spam is their area of expertice, but and indra incarnate would be having a better buff if his body is enhanced
"asura's transmigrants are not smart enough to wield complicated powers" is the single dumbest thing I have ever read...and I read that "sasuke teleported naruto" bullshit thread so I know what the hell I am typing about
1. you mean THE F*CKING TENSEIGAN...the energy vessel just housed byakugan...the energy vessel has nothing to do with the dojutsu...if it did then the fight between naruto and toneri wouldnt have happened...and the Last is canon...its even called chapter 699.5 on official posters...kishimoto even called it "the story that tells what happens during the timeskip"...you just dont wanna admit it because it disproves your stupid ass fanfiction...lololololol see the link below...
THE F*CKING ENERGY VESSEL IS A TENSEIGAN.
Chakra mode is what gives Toneri the his tsb and the Tenseigan enabled him to use it. Your stupid ass argument has nothing to do with the rinnegan and six path sage mode.
2. WRONG...its the rinnegan that devolved into the sharingan...just because senju doesnt have dojutsu doesnt mean that they wont awaken the rinnegan...naruto not getting the rinnegan didnt happen because kishimoto didnt want it to happen...
Wrong! Sasuke and Madara's eyes developed from a sharingan to a rinnegan. Derp
Bold: That's the dumbest thing I've ever read. You don't get a doujustu power without having a doujutsu.
- black zetsu also approached the senju...meaning your entire fanfiction argument is proven wrong...
Fan fiction!
Hagoromoo said that Ashura's chakra+Indra's chakra= Hagormoo's chakra. By Madara gaining Hagormoo's chakra his sharingan became a rinnegan. Same deal with Sasuke. Naruto who was given Hagoromoo's chakra did not awaken the rinnegan either.
- show me ANYWHERE IN THE MANGA where it states that you need sharingan to awaken the rinnegan...until you show me that link then you will always be typing stupid fanfiction...and you wont ever find that in the manga because that stupid fanfiction doesnt exist...
Show me in the manga where it states that a senju awakened the rinnegan? Go ahead, I'll wait for you to pull that stupid fanfiction out of your ass because I know that stupid logic doesn't exists
3. yes plot...and so what?...sharingan being spirit related doesnt mean jack shit when the dojutsu itself produces body related tecnhiques...in fact if all dojutsu are just spirit related then explain the hyuga clan's byakugan...lolololololol
Stupid fanfiction retort plot remains stupid and nonfactual. TROLL
And again I said Uchiha doujustus. Read the f*cking manga.
4. so WHO TAUGHT NAGATO HOW TO CONTROL THE RINNEGAN???...last time I checked jiraiya didnt know jack shit about how that dojutsu worked...he just stated that that nagato learned everything he taught him because he was able to use all 6 change in chakra natures...and it cant be obito because if it was then it opens up some MASSIVE plot holes...such as:
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to summon the gedo statue?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the deva path?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the rinne rebirth?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the six paths of pain?...
Nagato was meeting Tobi before he got crippled. Nagato never used gedo mazou until after he met Tobi, Tobi was the one in possession of the statue. Only those who read the stone tablet are able to utilize these techniques and nagato never seen the tablet before. Who else would he learn it from?
^^^ I'm glad you and your fanfic bullsh*t isnt actually in the story of naruto...it'd be filled with massive plot holes and sh*tty ass writing
"asura's transmigrants are not smart enough to wield complicated powers" is the single dumbest thing I have ever read...and I read that "sasuke teleported naruto" bullshit thread so I know what the hell I am typing about
It does'nt suit them one bit, the can't utilize it to its fullest potential, and ashuura transmigrants failed to unlock the rinnegan, atleast we are shown that the uchihas have more potential in awakening/using the rinnegan unlike the senju
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to summon the gedo statue?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the deva path?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the rinne rebirth?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the six paths of pain?...
You should check the manga again.
Nagato was indeed trained by Obito (Rinnegan-wise), after Madara taught Obito everything per Genjutsu prior his death. Obito as "Tobi" even had Gedo Mazou in Madaras cave.
You should check the manga again.
Nagato was indeed trained by Obito (Rinnegan-wise), after Madara taught Obito everything per Genjutsu prior his death. Obito as "Tobi" even had Gedo Mazou in Madaras cave.
no he wasnt...he was never trained by obito ever...in fact you wont ever find anything that says nagato was trained by obito in the manga which makes it fanfiction bullsh*t...madara taught obito rinnegan moves in the cave yea...obito didnt teach nagato jack shit...and if he DID then:
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to summon the gedo statue?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the deva path?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the rinne rebirth?...
- if nagato got trained by obito then how the hell did he know how to use the six paths of pain?...
^^^ see that?...if obito really did train nagato then its plot hole city by kishimoto...take your pick
It does'nt suit them one bit, the can't utilize it to its fullest potential, and ashuura transmigrants failed to unlock the rinnegan, atleast we are shown that the uchihas have more potential in awakening/using the rinnegan unlike the senju
which is why nagato used the rinnegan to its fullest potential more than ANYONE IN THE SERIES correct?...and he's not even a transmigrant...lololololololol
It is common sense that Nagato learned the Rinnegan-techniques with help of Obito, who manipulated Nagato in the same time. Jiraiya taught Nagato only the basics and how would Nagato learn ancient, secret Rikudou-stuff from the stone tablet by himself?
which is why nagato used the rinnegan to its fullest potential more than ANYONE IN THE SERIES correct?...and he's not even a transmigrant...lololololololol
This is just wrong.
Nagato was very inferior to Madara and Sasuke in usage of the Rinnegan. Obito wasn't as good as Nagato because he lacked the Uzumaki life-force and had the Rinnegan only for about 2 days.
Please compare his Chibaku Tensei with them from Madara and Sasuke. He couldn't even use a unique jutsu like Limbo: Hengoku or Amenotejikara.
Again, common sense. It was in the favor of the plot that neither Madara nor Sasuke used all the others six-paths techniques. Otherwise, Naruto would be over with the success of Mugen Tsukuyomi or ended with a successful Sasuke who killed Naruto in VOTE2.
But I guess, many people around here lack common sense.
They didn't have contact? Please chech the manga again, really.
Obito visited Nagato immediately after Madaras death. Look at the last page of chapter 606.
It is common sense that he trained and manipulated him during all the years. How else would Nagato with zero knowledge of the ancient, secret Rikudou-stuff learn these techniques? Did he wake up and said "Oh, today I will summon a statue that was sealed in the moon, even while I don't know that it exists" ?
This is just wrong. Again, common sense.
Nagato was far inferior to Madara and Sasuke in the usage of the Rinnegan. Obito couldn't compete with Nagato because he lacked the Uzumaki life-force and he had the Rinnegan only for about two days.
Please compare the Chibaku Tenseis from Nagato with the ones from Madara and Sasuke. There is a massive difference. It was in favor of the plot and the success of Naruto that neither Madara nor Sasuke showed all the six-paths techniques in the manga. Otherwise the manga would've ended with a world sleeping in Mugen Tsukuyomi or Sasuke would have killed Naruto in their final battle.
But I guess, here are a lot of people who lack common sense.
The kid is incapable of reading. Did you see all the things he posted?
It's not even naruto manga anymore, just leave him and his stupidity he's too far gone.
They didn't have contact? Please chech the manga again, really.
Obito visited Nagato immediately after Madaras death. Look at the last page of chapter 606.
It is common sense that he trained and manipulated him during all the years. How else would Nagato with zero knowledge of the ancient, secret Rikudou-stuff learn these techniques? Did he wake up and said "Oh, today I will summon a statue that was sealed in the moon, even while I don't know that it exists" ?
This is just wrong. Again, common sense.
Nagato was far inferior to Madara and Sasuke in the usage of the Rinnegan. Obito couldn't compete with Nagato because he lacked the Uzumaki life-force and he had the Rinnegan only for about two days.
Please compare the Chibaku Tenseis from Nagato with the ones from Madara and Sasuke. There is a massive difference. It was in favor of the plot and the success of Naruto that neither Madara nor Sasuke showed all the six-paths techniques in the manga. Otherwise the manga would've ended with a world sleeping in Mugen Tsukuyomi or Sasuke would have killed Naruto in their final battle.
But I guess, here are a lot of people who lack common sense.
1. explain why nagato was able o use deva path and summon the gedo statue with the only contact form obito being him talking about joining obito and zetsu's side?...
2. nagato's use of the rinnegan was worse than madara and sasuke's?...lmaooo nagato had people questioning if madara and sasuke could actually use each of the six paths jutsu...THAT ALONE disproves your bullsh*t claim that nagato was inferior...in fact nagato could wield multiple rinnegan techs in rapid succession...in terms of feats nagato wielded the rinnegan better than anyone in the series...have you forgotten chapter 551?...the person who lacks common sense if you child
How else would Nagato with zero knowledge of the ancient, secret Rikudou-stuff learn these techniques? Did he wake up and said "Oh, today I will summon a statue that was sealed in the moon, even while I don't know that it exists" ?
The Gedo Statue had already been summoned there by Madara.
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Nagato summoned it from the cave.
Off Topic: Please don't tell me you think MS Obito can summon the Mazo without the Rinnegan like a retard with that X at the end of your name used to say. :th:
I know that Madara summoned it first, thanks.
My point was that Nagato didn't know anything about the Rinnegan, the techniques and the Gedo Mazou.. while Obito who should keep an eye on Nagato, did know.
And no, don't make up things that I never said. MS Obito cannot summon the statue.
The kid is incapable of reading. Did you see all the things he posted?
It's not even naruto manga anymore, just leave him and his stupidity he's too far gone.
Yeah, I guess all hope is lost.
But still, I don't get how people can be so unintelligent. Maybe he is 10 years old or something, that would explain his way of writing full of "lmao, lol" and capslock.
@gerizzyYMcrew
As I said, the only reason why Madara/Sasuke never used all of the techniques is simply "plot". Otherwise Naruto would've lost.
If you feel better that way, then keep living in your bubble of untruth.
