Hashi=Gaara 1 on 1?

[TheSages456]

correct. gaara can fly to avoid pollen and hashi has nothing he can do about that. then gaara can transform the ground into a desert while he uses gourd sand to block wood attacks. yamato hasnt shown he can use wood as a projectile. i doubt hahisrama can.

show me this magical fight and scans where he did all of this. wait...wait..you cant...and gaara has shown to be strong enough to fight and capture 3 legendary immortal kages, AND take on madara who had 5 susano clones all trying to kill him and couldnt.

how do you know he faced perfect susano? show me proof he has done this backed up with manga pages. and show me gaara crying vs madara.

large scale sand tsunami and quicksand quickly makes mokuton useless, combined with flight, sand clone feints, sand hail, sensing, and defensive outer armour leaves all attacks on him useless. hashiramas featless regeneration is literally helpless against being crushed inside a sand prison.

the auto sand defence was from his mother's will and the fight with 4th kazekage showed he still has it.

really? show me the manga page he has done this.

gaaras superior feats have spoken

yet kisame and mei did the exact same thing

irrelevant. as madara =/= hashirama. and gaaras shown he can turn a grassland to a desert in a few minutes as well as superior intelligence, skill, versatility and flight

tsunade warned them when they were ALREADY IN THE AIR

despite the fact someone far stronger was unable to...

it tanked a nuke. it will handle wood

larger =/= more effective and strong

how do you know? show me some pages of him fighting and physically taking down PS. whats that? you cant? so why bring it up if its worthless?

how does those trees penetrate sand thats harder than goddamn steel?

hashirama beat perfect susano and madara and kishi backs it up. your opinion is worthless in front of the authors intent so why bother with your BS. perfect susano is in ems madaras arsenal and he had no reason not to use it. you might as well ask for proof of madara using katons in his fight with hashirama. again kishis portrayal and intent>your BS.

hashirama crushes gaaras defense the same way he beat perfect susano. map rewriting attacks>sand.

 

[ltachi Uchiha]

Hash wins no difficulty

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

kishi had madara say "everyone who has faced this has died"

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so hashirama died at VOTE did he? or at a later fight?

your opinion is worthless in front of the authors intent

really? so pains invincible

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kishi intended me to accept this.

perfect susano is in ems madaras arsenal and he had no reason not to use it.

frequently there are reasons given by kishi for a shinobi not to use something. bee couldnt go full hachibi vs kisame. jiraiya couldnt use SM on orochimaru and manda. nagato couldnt use the deva on SM naruto (for 5 minutes). naruto couldnt use kcm on madara. obito isnt using 6 paths on naruto.

map rewriting

so gaara cant do exactly that?

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GTFO

hashirama crushes gaaras defense the same way he beat perfect susano

ok..how did he beat PS? explain it to me. ill wait.

 

[TheSages456]

kishi had madara say "everyone who has faced this has died"

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so hashirama died at VOTE did he? or at a later fight?

really? so pains invincible

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kishi intended me to accept this.

frequently there are reasons given by kishi for a shinobi not to use something. bee couldnt go full hachibi vs kisame. jiraiya couldnt use SM on orochimaru and manda. nagato couldnt use the deva on SM naruto (for 5 minutes). naruto couldnt use kcm on madara. obito isnt using 6 paths on naruto.

so gaara cant do exactly that?

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ok..how did he beat PS? explain it to me. ill wait.

its a legend. thats why madara said "it is said".

kishis intent has hashirama above madara who is stronger than everyone else. pain is old news and has obviously been surpassed in power as the story progressed. kishis portrayal has hashirama and madara as the strongest.

kishi obviously portrayed hashirama and madaras VOTE fight as a 1 on 1 deathmatch with them both at full power. its obvious that madara used it against hashirama because he states that "only hashirama could ever stop me" while using perfect susano and says that without hashirama, the extent that the maps would be altered would be alot less drastic while using perfect susano to decimate a mountain range. you can stop bullshitting now.

hashirama has valley creating powers and gaara doesnt. gaara uses terrain thats already there. there is no map altering gaara uses prexisting material and hashirama makes his own battlefield out of thin air.

madaras words and kishis portrayal are all i need to say hashirama>perfect susano.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

thats why madara said "it is said".

yeah. it is said. BY HIM.

kishis intent has hashirama above madara who is stronger than everyone else

kishis intent has yet to show me anything but worthless hype. in a vs match, telling people statements automatically enable wood to overcome a giant chakra warrior, meteors, amaterasu, preta path is ridiculous.
its like saying pain > everyone because obito called him invincible.
its like saying itachi > everyone because his tsukiyomi is only countered by someone of the same uchiha blood.
its like saying genin naruto > everyone because genin naruto said he was above everyone.
kishi tried to tell me hashi can take edo madara yet sage of six paths cannot since madara left him out. its obvious madaras either exagerrating or wrong.

kishi obviously portrayed hashirama and madaras VOTE fight as a 1 on 1 deathmatch with them both at full power

how do you know? kishi didnt portray it. not even a little bit. he left it offscreen

pain is old news and has obviously been surpassed in power as the story progressed

so was hashirama, since he was the best of his time, and hiruzens best hokage of all time.
VIZ translation of raikage "(minato) was a great man. a finer shinobi never lived"
so does this mean minato > everyone despite being old news? raikage didnt become aware of madaras power till he fought him. just like how madara died too soon to truly say hashirama > everyone. sure hashis the best hes ever fought so far, but that doesnt mean hes the best in all of history. madaras not omniscient.

hashirama because he states that "only hashirama could ever stop me" while using perfect susano

so? muu was using dust when he said only onoki can stop him. but muus statement turned out to be incorrect as it took 3 of the strongest shinobis to take him out. madara said only hashi can beat him but hashi was beaten himself by hiruzen. and we all know madara stands no chance vs naruto. whos unkillable via plot armour.

the extent that the maps would be altered would be alot less drastic while using perfect susano to decimate a mountain range

yet VOTES smaller than the damage done during gedo vs naruto and bee. the entire battlefield seems to be uprooting itself as juubi gets revived.

hashirama has valley creating powers

no madara and kurama did.

gaara doesnt

so because gaara cant make a valley that means he cant win? even though he can just make hashirmaa sink and suffocate 200m below the earth? gaara turns the battlefield into another element by grinding up stones underground. that is battlefield altering power.

madaras words and kishis portrayal are all i need to say hashirama>perfect susano.

its not enough for a vs match. i want cold hard feats. not speculations.

 

[TheSages456]

yeah. it is said. BY HIM.

kishis intent has yet to show me anything but worthless hype. in a vs match, telling people statements automatically enable wood to overcome a giant chakra warrior, meteors, amaterasu, preta path is ridiculous.
its like saying pain > everyone because obito called him invincible.
its like saying itachi > everyone because his tsukiyomi is only countered by someone of the same uchiha blood.
its like saying genin naruto > everyone because genin naruto said he was above everyone.
kishi tried to tell me hashi can take edo madara yet sage of six paths cannot since madara left him out. its obvious madaras either exagerrating or wrong.


how do you know? kishi didnt portray it. not even a little bit. he left it offscreen

so was hashirama, since he was the best of his time, and hiruzens best hokage of all time.
VIZ translation of raikage "(minato) was a great man. a finer shinobi never lived"
so does this mean minato > everyone despite being old news? raikage didnt become aware of madaras power till he fought him. just like how madara died too soon to truly say hashirama > everyone. sure hashis the best hes ever fought so far, but that doesnt mean hes the best in all of history. madaras not omniscient.


so? muu was using dust when he said only onoki can stop him. but muus statement turned out to be incorrect as it took 3 of the strongest shinobis to take him out. madara said only hashi can beat him but hashi was beaten himself by hiruzen. and we all know madara stands no chance vs naruto. whos unkillable via plot armour.

yet VOTES smaller than the damage done during gedo vs naruto and bee. the entire battlefield seems to be uprooting itself as juubi gets revived.

no madara and kurama did.

so because gaara cant make a valley that means he cant win? even though he can just make hashirmaa sink and suffocate 200m below the earth? gaara turns the battlefield into another element by grinding up stones underground. that is battlefield altering power.

its not enough for a vs match. i want cold hard feats. not speculations.

its already confirmed that hashirama>perfect susano but i will try to find the VIZ scan of madaras statement.

by your logic moegi>rikudo sennin because he has no on panel feats.

hashirama is still getting hyped so no he isnt old news. everytime madara shows some power, it hypes up hashirama.

did mu know about onokis back problems and such? he didnt know about every shinobi. madara doesnt know about everyother shinobi but he is the strongest currently and that would make hashirama the strongest as well.

i dont see a valley so no gedo mazo powering up isnt doing more damage than hashirama and madara did.

madara stated that without hashirama, the extent that the maps would be redrawn wouldnt be as drastic. kurama didntt cause as much damage as hashirama and madara.

hashirama makes his forest out of gaaras desert, the same way that madara made a forest out of a desert in the manga.

beating madara and the kyuubi isnt a feat? thats like saying that rikudo sennins feats about facing the juubi doesnt count because its never been shown.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

its already confirmed that hashirama>perfect susano

then show me how he did it

by your logic moegi>rikudo sennin because he has no on panel feats.

NEITHER DOES MOEGI YOU FOOL

hashirama is still getting hyped so no he isnt old news

but you claim people who are old news are weaker than him simply because their hype has ended. thats because hyping them more simply isnt relevant. the only reason hashis being hyped now is because madaras on the battlefield. when he wasnt we barely heard about him besides in passing and people having his cells.

hashirama makes his forest out of gaaras desert,

and gaaras desert sinks the forest

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did mu know about onokis back problems and such? he didnt know about every shinobi. madara doesnt know about everyother shinobi but he is the strongest currently and that would make hashirama the strongest as well.

ABC logic doesnt work. as madara claimed you gotta seal him to beat him. minato has the best fuinjutsu in the manga. so him stopping madara doesnt mean hes strongest. stop =/= beat. minato stopped kurama and obito right? but he didnt win since hes DEAD.

i dont see a valley so no gedo mazo powering up isnt doing more damage than hashirama and madara did.

idiot. the valley is little more than a river fissure and that was after the whole fight was over. this fights still going on. already naruto rearranged a mountain range with those bijuudamas.

madara stated that without hashirama, the extent that the maps would be redrawn wouldnt be as drastic. kurama didntt cause as much damage as hashirama and madara.

if not then he wasnt a big factor int he fight since there was no bijuudama mountain busters. and that still doesnt prove how hashirama penetrates the sand which is harder than steel.

beating madara and the kyuubi isnt a feat?

he did neither. madara escaped with all he came to get. kyuubi was left to his wife.

 

[6pathofpain]

hashirama beat perfect susano and madara and kishi backs it up. your opinion is worthless in front of the authors intent so why bother with your BS. perfect susano is in ems madaras arsenal and he had no reason not to use it. you might as well ask for proof of madara using katons in his fight with hashirama. again kishis portrayal and intent>your BS.

hashirama crushes gaaras defense the same way he beat perfect susano. map rewriting attacks>sand.

Just wanted to add that Madara said himself that it was said that whoever has seen his perfect suasnoo has died...hashi didnt, i dont think he would say whoever has seen it has died if he used it on hashi who obviously didnt...

 

[Cosmic Path]

Hashirama would murder gaara

 

[6pathofpain]

Hashirama would murder gaara

how?

 

[HiddenWarrior]

Kill this guy already

*Leaves Thread*

 

[Koha]

A > B > C logic doesn't matter in the least in Naruto...
Everyone can be defeated.

 

[6pathofpain]

A > B > C logic doesn't matter in the least in Naruto...
Everyone can be defeated.

thank you smh at least someone understands that

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I am the biggest gaara fan on this site I agree he won't win
But how y'all are making it seem is unlikely I agree with the guy who made the thread the mokoton/pollen thing won't work before it wouldn't work against gaara now
Then again he prob could do it better then madara idk
Gaara can fly levitate w.e u want to call it out of the way
Everybody is comparing how gaara is fighting madara but seemingly forgets tht he didn't have rinnigan when he faught hashi not to mention hashi's own abilities as far as PS
we Dnt kno madara used PS we Dnt een know if Thts sharigan cuz he still had his rinnigan in when he pulled it out....
And we Dnt even know what was used in tht fight all we do know is madara tried to use kurama..
By hype hashi wins
We can't compare them cuz we haven't seen enough of hashi
As far as scaled jutsu they have the same kind of Terrian changing jutsu
Chakra levels by hype hashi should have as much as gaara (formed junjirichi) expecally if he was controlling kurama
Taijutsu obviously hashi wins lml
Speed hashi wins but gaara sand speed should be faster but then again we Dnt know anything bout his speed
Intelligence who knows lml
I Dnt count expirence simply because its like this hashi is older then gaara there for he will always have more expirence the. Gaara
Ppl say SUITON would do gaara in ? Gaara hid his sand in the Mei water it didn't do nothing to it it was perfectly fine

Honestly gaara has good chance his sand is more versatile then mokoton they have different fighting styles but hashi would most likely win but how everybody is putting it is either extreme ease or simply hype witch is neither the case it's Atleast at mid diff to say the least


And honestly guys do u think hashi was anywhere near gaara is now at his age I Dnt think so

Hashi wins mid-high diff

 

[Koha]

That's wrong, if you looked in the manga the automatic defense came from his Mother's love for him which is why it took on the shape of his mother while he was fighting the Mizukage and his father.. The defense stays along with his father's gold dust now.

 

[Stark]

Are you trolling?

 

[6pathofpain]

I am the biggest gaara fan on this site I agree he won't win
But how y'all are making it seem is unlikely I agree with the guy who made the thread the mokoton/pollen thing won't work before it wouldn't work against gaara now
Then again he prob could do it better then madara idk
Gaara can fly levitate w.e u want to call it out of the way
Everybody is comparing how gaara is fighting madara but seemingly forgets tht he didn't have rinnigan when he faught hashi not to mention hashi's own abilities as far as PS
we Dnt kno madara used PS we Dnt een know if Thts sharigan cuz he still had his rinnigan in when he pulled it out....
And we Dnt even know what was used in tht fight all we do know is madara tried to use kurama..
By hype hashi wins
We can't compare them cuz we haven't seen enough of hashi
As far as scaled jutsu they have the same kind of Terrian changing jutsu
Chakra levels by hype hashi should have as much as gaara (formed junjirichi) expecally if he was controlling kurama
Taijutsu obviously hashi wins lml
Speed hashi wins but gaara sand speed should be faster but then again we Dnt know anything bout his speed
Intelligence who knows lml
I Dnt count expirence simply because its like this hashi is older then gaara there for he will always have more expirence the. Gaara
Ppl say SUITON would do gaara in ? Gaara hid his sand in the Mei water it didn't do nothing to it it was perfectly fine

Honestly gaara has good chance his sand is more versatile then mokoton they have different fighting styles but hashi would most likely win but how everybody is putting it is either extreme ease or simply hype witch is neither the case it's Atleast at mid diff to say the least


And honestly guys do u think hashi was anywhere near gaara is now at his age I Dnt think so

Hashi wins mid-high diff

thank you for a well thought out response

That's wrong, if you looked in the manga the automatic defense came from his Mother's love for him which is why it took on the shape of his mother while he was fighting the Mizukage and his father.. The defense stays along with his father's gold dust now.

i Actually forgot about that, thanks for the reminder. Ill refer that to who ever told me he didnt have the auto defense anymore

Are you trolling?

did you read it?

 

[Koha]

"We don't know everything about Hashirama yet...

Everything else, it's purely speculated by the fans..

We know only some of his major strengths, and not much else.. So seeing how many people add so much hype to him, as he was owned by a decrepit 3rd Hokage. Not detracting from Hashirama's greatness, but can we please wait to make these type of threads either insulting or praising Hashirama AFTER we learn the ENTIRE story about him? I'm just saying..."



My post on a different thread....

 

[Koha]

Most fans just overexamine his power and hype him as such since he was truly on seen in one fight in the entire series, we know his techniques, but do we even know his battle strategies, his weaknesses, his limitations? Everybody just piles massive S-Rank Jutsu upon Jutsu in his advantage not even knowing in what manner or situations he would use his techniques in...
Which is why I call irrelevance on most people who argue on behalf and against Hashirama. He was sealed by a decrepit old man. So, that's actually saying something... But I won't judge against that either, not because the Edo Tensei was imperfect but the plot made it so Orochimaru's power was most focused upon.

And my second post..

 

[6pathofpain]

Most fans just overexamine his power and hype him as such since he was truly on seen in one fight in the entire series, we know his techniques, but do we even know his battle strategies, his weaknesses, his limitations? Everybody just piles massive S-Rank Jutsu upon Jutsu in his advantage not even knowing in what manner or situations he would use his techniques in...
Which is why I call irrelevance on most people who argue on behalf and against Hashirama. He was sealed by a decrepit old man. So, that's actually saying something... But I won't judge against that either, not because the Edo Tensei was imperfect but the plot made it so Orochimaru's power was most focused upon.

And my second post..

hmm indeed, you have a good out look on things