Has Kakashi now surpassed Minato?

[Bronze]

Kakashi surpassed him with his war arc Kamui feats.

 

[Black Wolf]

I put single Mangekyo Kakashi on the same general level as alive Minato. He may lose in a one vs. one confrontation against him, but if pit against multiple opponents, I see them performing roughly the same in the long run. Kakashi has a versatile, more lethal arsenal and a more flexible S/T jutsu in Kamui (self teleportation and long range teleportation). Minato has the arguably faster teleportation ability in FTG, but is lacking in offense.

Double Mangekyo Kakashi is unquestionably above alive Minato, and should be comparable to BM Minato. He still lacks feats, so it is yet to be seen, but Perfect Susano'o has paralleled Kyuubi avatar, and double Kamui is far more useful than Hiraishin. Again, we lack feats so all this is yet to be seen.

Overall, MS Kakashi ~ Minato's tier (again, speaking general level rather than one-on-one confrontation), and double MS Kakashi ~ BM Minato's tier.

Minato? The bastard summoned a dead god, sealed the fox inside him and then through his sealing leet skills made the fox's chakra seep into him.

This is a suicidal technique. BM was never achievable in life because the moment he activated the reaper, he signed away his life. The only reason we got a BM Minato is because by some miracle there was someone out there with his DNA that was also able to revive him. We also don't know how Minato magically became best friends with the Kyuubi and skipped the whole "internal battle" with it like Naruto / Bee did (unless Naruto beating it made the half in Minato friendly as well, which makes sense). Alive Minato deserves BM just as much as alive Itachi deserves Kotoamatsukami; it was a power available to them under very unusual conditions.

It's why I tend to separate alive Minato and BM Minato due to this.

It's -ALL HIM-. He never had a KKG or some awesome gifts. Everything he did was through his own efforts.

It isn't really a fair comparison. Kakashi had the Sharingan thrust upon him when he lost his eye in battle. He then had to attribute and train his body to accept a foreign Kekkei Genkai, and we see him gradually improve with it throughout the entire series. It isn't fair to call the Sharingan a free power-up; Kakashi worked hard to make it usable over the span of 18 years. It initially drained him and he worked his way up to the level he was before Madara snatched it.

Kakashi had the Sharingan for pretty much his entire relevant life as a ninja. It makes no sense to randomly snatch it away from him when he has had it for 18 years and then measure his power without it and say "he sucks without Sharingan." He centered his entire fighting style around it. He was already a genius at age 12 / 13, was a Jonin, and was improving rapidly. Had he never received the Sharingan, he would have centered his fighting style around something else.

But yes, I agree with you if we're talking the double Mangekyo and Perfect Susano'o. That was 100% completely gifted and out of the blue. But Kakashi deserves the left eye because he worked with it throughout his entire ninja life, and it wasn't easy; it was draining at first and only became more usable as the series went on.

Were Kakashi to invent some Lightning FTG or an awesome jutsu of his own that can trump Hiraishin, maybe. BUt as long as his strongest jutsus are copied/received... meh.

Minato didn't invent Hiraishin, Tobirama did. Minato "copied" Tobirama's jutsu.

As I said earlier, I agree with you if we're talking about double Mangekyo Sharingan because Kakashi never had to work for the right eye and the process of unlocking Perfect Susano'o - it came out of the blue. But Kakashi is more entitled to the left eye than Obito was; he had it for 18 years and worked through the trials and tribulations of becoming accustomed to a foreign, draining Kekkei Genkai.

 

[Unorthodox]

Minato wins

 

[kamui14]

I also always said war arc Kakashi is on the same level.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kakashi would shit on Minato. It's clear that Kakashi has copied Sasuke Susanoo. So it just as powerful as Sasuke's inb4 someone say that's terrible logic. Kakashi copied Zabuza's water dragon and the copied version was just as strong as the original. Minato Bm or not gets obliterated.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakashi would shit on Minato. It's clear that Kakashi has copied Sasuke Susanoo. So it just as powerful as Sasuke's inb4 someone say that's terrible logic. Kakashi copied Zabuza's water dragon and the copied version was just as strong as the original. Minato Bm or not gets obliterated.

Fanfic for the win huh? Lmao, desperation at its finest.

 

[Conspirator.]

Fanfic for the win huh? Lmao, desperation at its finest.

How is it even possible to copy Susanoo? The sharingan only copies hand seals and body movements, and Susanoo requires none of those things. Obito probably just gave him the power to use Susanoo.

 

[KidGamer65]

How is it even possible to copy Susanoo? The sharingan only copies hand seals and body movements, and Susanoo requires none of those things. Obito probably just gave him the power to use Susanoo.

Exactly. I don't know where this copy BS came from, but it needs to end.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Fanfic for the win huh? Lmao, desperation at its finest.

How is it even possible to copy Susanoo? The sharingan only copies hand seals and body movements, and Susanoo requires none of those things. Obito probably just gave him the power to use Susanoo.

So wait you think Kakashi awakened Ps? Also why does it have wings like Sasuke's and the face looks buffed like Sasuke's?

 

[Demonic.]

So wait you think Kakashi awakened Ps? Also why does it have wings like Sasuke's and the face looks buffed like Sasuke's?

We shall find out next week whether you're a genius or an idiot bruh. I'm rooting for you.

 

[TRE MERCER]

We shall find out next week whether you're a genius or an idiot bruh. I'm rooting for you.

L0l i can't wait.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I don't have a problem with 1 MS Kakashi being stronger than Alive Minato.

Current Kakashi, destroy any form of Minato.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Not as far as their most powerful forms are concerned, considering BM Minato > Current Kakashi.

 

[Red Slayer]

nop, he will never surpass him... he simple can't...

 

[KidGamer65]

So wait you think Kakashi awakened Ps? Also why does it have wings like Sasuke's and the face looks buffed like Sasuke's?

The face looks nothing like Sasuke's, and even Madara's had things that looked like wings. Lol, use a Hagoromo buffed jutsu, without Hagoromo's chakra. Copying Sasuke's Susanoo, when it doesn't look anything like it. Lol. Kakashi's Susanoo is modeled after himself, hence the scar on its left side. He didn't copy anything.

Copying Susanoo alone is nothing but nonsense. If Susanoo could be copied, why hasn't someone done it? Lol.

 

[Haizaki]

Kakashi would shit on Minato. It's clear that Kakashi has copied Sasuke Susanoo. So it just as powerful as Sasuke's inb4 someone say that's terrible logic.

Until you have scans to back up your ridiculous claims, outta here with this nonsense.

 

[DHOH]

People seem to forget that Minato only had half of the kyuubi's chakra.. There's no way that can stand up against a ps Susanoo. Bm minato is probably the most overrated character in the manga. All he gain was more chakra and bigger resengan. Kakashi beats him without much trouble... Kakashi is not one eyed 14 year old Kabuto... He's a genius, master of the sharingan and battle strategy only match by Sasuke..

 

[KidGamer65]

People seem to forget that Minato only had half of the kyuubi's chakra.. There's no way that can stand up against a ps Susanoo. Bm minato is probably the most overrated character in the manga. All he gain was more chakra and bigger resengan. Kakashi beats him without much trouble... Kakashi is not one eyed 14 year old Kabuto... He's a genius, master of the sharingan and battle strategy only match by Sasuke..

Lol....just stop.

 

[KCN]

if kakashi copied sasuke's susano'o why is there a scar on his susanoo's face?

 

[DHOH]

Lol....just stop.

Nice counter... You know it's true..