[Discussion] Has BB been saved by plot

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I love the suggestion that Yami's Logia intangibility still works, but pain is still felt. I absolutely love it, it explains a lot. The idea that he feels every single attack tenfold, even though it is not physically damaging him. This makes Blackbeard not a physically fit character, but a spiritually strong one. All is battles, all his power, comes from his willpower. And that makes him the greatest foe of Luffy, because he too takes no physical harm, all his power comes from his own will. When they battle eachother, it is going to be a battle of wills and ambition.

Based on that, I believe Blackbeard will get King's Haki.
yup

he literally is the PERFECT villain for Luffy

because he is the EXACT opposite of Luffy

They both are D's

Oda really did this well by foreshadowing it in the cafe when they first met, [with them hating and loving the opposite food and drink], and especially what BB said to him and Luffy's intense stare at that weird stranger as he walked away:

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yup

he literally is the PERFECT villain for Luffy

because he is the EXACT opposite of Luffy

They both are D's

Oda really did this well by foreshadowing it in the cafe when they first met, [with them hating and loving the opposite food and drink], and especially what BB said to him and Luffy's intense stare at that weird stranger as he walked away:

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Well I wouldn't go as far to say he's a perfect villian for Luffy. Akainu seems to be a better candidate as of right now.
 

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Kuzan got stabbed by WB and tackled by Jozu and got right back up
Liffy got hit by Buddha as well

BB even said "I told you, this darkness sucks everything in. Absolutely everything. Bullets, blades, punches, fire, even thunder ...!"

It sucks everything in and he still has enough durability to just shrug it of. I don't think it's bullshit I think it is a testament to how strong and underrated BB is, ppl underestimate YYnM BB severely, the dud gave Shanks scars.

And I don't think OP is mistake free, I just don't think that THIS is an issue, it's simply a feat. For the record the biggest mistake imo that Oda made isn't Pell, I don't care about that one bit, my reaction was basically "oh cool he survived", my biggest issue that I've had with OP is Crocodile's power scaling, I think Oda should have waited and introduced him later because he is obviously far above all the Alabasta straw hats put together, he's much more powerful than he seemed in the 3rd fight with Luffy, the first two were completely OK but the third one he looked rather weak compared ... Though that is still one of my fav moments in Op

And as I've said many many times before, if a manga doesn't have any issues it's simply not long enough (yet) to have them

One thing I've come to realize as a manga fan is that way too many ppl prefer counting the bullshit to actually enjoying the story

For example when Madara used Susaoo without eyes I just didn't give a f yet ppl were raging all over the place, I usually don't give a f about that what I do care about is if power scaling makes characters irrelevant or if the story just dips in quality and intrigue

Or another example if someone calls bullshit on LoTR because not enough ppl died,
And than they put it down because it makes "no sense", if you wanna put the greatest fantasy story down because of your personal bullshit I think thats just stupid (not directed at you shon so please don't take this the wrong way ;))
Lol I know its not directed at me bro...I just feel like what the purpose of Oda putting BB in these dangerous situations if he can't respect the weakness of the Yami Yami. As durable as you claim him to be there is something called LOGICS in the case of durablity and that has to be acknowledged.

I'm just not buying that the WOrlds Strongest man can hold your neck and Quake puch you to the face and you get right back up like nothing happened considering the Yami Yami weakness. If thats the case how will Luffy beat BB if he has the total benefits of the Yami Yami and the weakness is disregarded. Also in the case of Aokiji I don't think we can call that bullshit because advanced Logias open there body before impact

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OP, do you know what your problem is? You keep thinking that it's like Oda said "BB can only take level 3 hits, and WB is level 5." You're acting like Oda said BB is weak, or is incapable of withstanding their blows. What you need to understand that this isn't bullshit, this isn't asspull, it's not retcons, it's simply Oda saying "BB is a monster, BB is one of the real deals, BB is a top tier fighter." You are blinded by your underestimation of BB.
BULLSHIT bro........this wasn't Bellamy who puch BB besides Ace these were Top 10 characters who hit him. I don't underestimate BB he is an absolute monster. But what I dislike is the bullshit that surrounds all of his DF. Like the complete disregard of the Yami Yami's weakness. No way on earth a man should get up from the attacks I listed and some you guys see it as Durability

Durability in my opinion must be followed by logics and BB durablity has no logics whatsoever and its a big plot device thats keeping him alive in fights

[video=youtube;qxnjZ-RrDSg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxnjZ-RrDSg[/video]

14:07 is not Durabilty its bullshit bro
 

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I feel like theres a dinstinct difference from DURABILITY and Bullshit bro...lol... What the purpose of fighting BB if Oda doesn't respect his weakness. I feel like if you get hit with a Quake puch to the face,Flame Lances explode in your chest,You take 2 shockwaves. It might not kill you in the world of shounen but you shouldn't be able to get back up considering you take way more damage than a normal logia. And these are Top 10 fighters besides Ace
I feel it's Oda showing us how durable he is...
I thought this was one of those things that everyone just presumed for a while.
 

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Lol I know its not directed at me bro...I just feel like what the purpose of Oda putting BB in these dangerous situations if he can't respect the weakness of the Yami Yami. As durable as you claim him to be there is something called LOGICS in the case of durablity and that has to be acknowledged.

I'm just not buying that the WOrlds Strongest man can hold your neck and Quake puch you to the face and you get right back up like nothing happened considering the Yami Yami weakness. If thats the case how will Luffy beat BB if he has the total benefits of the Yami Yami and the weakness is disregarded. Also in the case of Aokiji I don't think we can call that bullshit because advanced Logias open there body before impact



BULLSHIT bro........this wasn't Bellamy who puch BB besides Ace these were Top 10 characters who hit him. I don't underestimate BB he is an absolute monster. But what I dislike is the bullshit that surrounds all of his DF. Like the complete disregard of the Yami Yami's weakness. No way on earth a man should get up from the attacks I listed and some you guys see it as Durability

Durability in my opinion must be followed by logics and BB durablity has no logics whatsoever and its a big plot device thats keeping him alive in fights

[video=youtube;qxnjZ-RrDSg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxnjZ-RrDSg[/video]

14:07 is not Durabilty its bullshit bro
It's durability. It's not a hard concept to understand, yes, he feels a massive amount of pain, he's feeling that pain, he's just that durable. It's not BS.
 

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I love the suggestion that Yami's Logia intangibility still works, but pain is still felt. I absolutely love it, it explains a lot. The idea that he feels every single attack tenfold, even though it is not physically damaging him. This makes Blackbeard not a physically fit character, but a spiritually strong one. All is battles, all his power, comes from his willpower. And that makes him the greatest foe of Luffy, because he too takes no physical harm, all his power comes from his own will. When they battle eachother, it is going to be a battle of wills and ambition.

Based on that, I believe Blackbeard will get King's Haki.
Definetly not BB is the least likely to have Kings haki bro

A man who believes that he can conquerer anything with willpower doesn't try to eat the most powerful DF's in OP. He is eating them because he doesn't want to have to rely on willpower bro. He wants 100% confirmation that he'll win every fight without being challenged. A man with such high willpower wouldn't beg WB for his life on the ground bro. Willpower is simply believing you can overcome anything and thats 100% of what makes Luffy himself in all of his fights from the begining
 

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Definetly not BB is the least likely to have Kings haki bro

A man who believes that he can conquerer anything with willpower doesn't try to eat the most powerful DF's in OP. He is eating them because he doesn't want to have to rely on willpower bro. He wants 100% confirmation that he'll win every fight without being challenged. A man with such high willpower wouldn't beg WB for his life on the ground bro. Willpower is simply believing you can overcome anything and thats 100% of what makes Luffy himself in all of his fights from the begining
Strongest DF's (Yami/Gura) vs. Strongest Willpower (Luffy)

I like that.
 

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Strongest DF's (Yami/Gura) vs. Strongest Willpower (Luffy)

I like that.
Lol exactly you get the idea of how I'm defining Luffy and BB character and what makes them strong. I really don't think you give your main character a rubber DF and expect him to be PK that easy. All of Luffy's haxness will come through his willpower to conquerer.

Even conquereing the inscapability of the Yami Yami with sheer willpower
 

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I was suppose to make a discussion on this along time ago but I found a vid expressing the exact way I feel so tell me what you think guys I think its extremely plot

[video=youtube;FSsBOsbwZzs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSsBOsbwZzs[/video]

1)Ace hits him with 2 flame lances in the chest and they errupt but he gets back up
2)WB hits him with a quake punch to his face and he gets back up casually
3)Sengoku hits him with 2 shockwaves directly

Sidenote:Somethings can only be explained with plot and I think this is the case honestly with BB. Because he shouldn't have the advantages of his Yami Yami but Oda ignores his disadvantage which states that he take more damage than a normal logia
The same can be said about any character , Luffy got stabbed through the chest and stomach by crocodile and thrown in a sans out and he's still alive , zoro got slashed by the strongest blade and he's still alive ,who dies is determined completely by oda , ace got one punch and dies ,do you see what I'm saying .
 

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The same can be said about any character , Luffy got stabbed through the chest and stomach by crocodile and thrown in a sans out and he's still alive , zoro got slashed by the strongest blade and he's still alive ,who dies is determined completely by oda , ace got one punch and dies ,do you see what I'm saying .
I completely agree bro..=D...alot of characters you names have survived for plot purposes but what pisses me off is people call what BB has done Durability instead of plot.
 

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I always (well ever since BB got the Gura Gura) wanted it to be Luffy v BB, Willpower v DF's, Haki v 3 OP DF's
... I also want for BB to ironically sink and die in the ocean since he's so greedy gor DF's, I just always thought that would be a nice ending for the guy
 

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I think he's just a tank. Although i do blame plot for Ace losing to him. How can Ace be defeated like that. Dude had so much hype too.


R.I.P Ace
 

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I always (well ever since BB got the Gura Gura) wanted it to be Luffy v BB, Willpower v DF's, Haki v 3 OP DF's
... I also want for BB to ironically sink and die in the ocean since he's so greedy gor DF's, I just always thought that would be a nice ending for the guy
Luffy's Willpower and DF mastery vs Blackbeard Devil Fruits
Hard work and Determination vs Shortcuts to power

I always felt that way from Kings haki was introduced an the whole thing with Shanks not having a DF. I willpower to conquer is the strongest form of power you can achieve in OP.

Before Shanks could stop a war he had to believe he can stop it and thats what makes his willpower and Kings haki beastly it his belief.

Regarding BB I don't want him to fall in the sea or some bullshit. I want Luffy to beat him fair and square to show the main message in OP and thats overcoming with your will
 

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I love the suggestion that Yami's Logia intangibility still works, but pain is still felt. I absolutely love it, it explains a lot. The idea that he feels every single attack tenfold, even though it is not physically damaging him. This makes Blackbeard not a physically fit character, but a spiritually strong one. All is battles, all his power, comes from his willpower. And that makes him the greatest foe of Luffy, because he too takes no physical harm, all his power comes from his own will. When they battle eachother, it is going to be a battle of wills and ambition.

Based on that, I believe Blackbeard will get King's Haki.
He bleeds

/theory over
 

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Regarding BB I don't want him to fall in the sea or some bullshit. I want Luffy to beat him fair and square to show the main message in OP and thats overcoming with your will


well yea ofc, I meant after their fight, after Luffy kicked his behind and proved hi point, like when Lucci was blasted out of the building they were fighting in ... I thought that was a given -.-
 
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