[Discussion] Has BB been saved by plot

[shon93]

I was suppose to make a discussion on this along time ago but I found a vid expressing the exact way I feel so tell me what you think guys I think its extremely plot

[video=youtube;FSsBOsbwZzs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSsBOsbwZzs[/video]

1)Ace hits him with 2 flame lances in the chest and they errupt but he gets back up
2)WB hits him with a quake punch to his face and he gets back up casually
3)Sengoku hits him with 2 shockwaves directly

Sidenote:Somethings can only be explained with plot and I think this is the case honestly with BB. Because he shouldn't have the advantages of his Yami Yami but Oda ignores his disadvantage which states that he take more damage than a normal logia

 

[MugiwaraBoy]

Yeah he always seems to get ****ed, but it's like his Darkness saves him by absorbing the pain maybe?

 

[Hexuze]

BB and Akainu were. Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard Oda intended on having Akainu killed during the MF arc but ofc changed his mind. Which explains how Akainu survived the punches and that fall. But saying on topic, yes BB is protected heavily by plot since he's been built up so much. He won't be dying until near the end for sure.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Or it's a testament to how strong he is. The man is a Yonko, you expect him to be taken out so quickly? And everything in the story is for the sake of plot, "Saved by plot" is a truly and utterly meaningless statement.

 

[shon93]

BB and Akainu were. Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard Oda intended on having Akainu killed during the MF arc but ofc changed his mind. Which explains how Akainu survived the punches and that fall. But saying on topic, yes BB is protected heavily by plot since he's been built up so much. He won't be dying until near the end for sure.

I'm not sure about that bro. My problem why I can't question Akainu surving is because it wasn't stated that he takes more damage. Meanwhile BB took a quake puch to the face and got up casually...I call bullshit

Or it's a testament to how strong he is. The man is a Yonko, you expect him to be taken out so quickly? And everything in the story is for the sake of plot, "Saved by plot" is a truly and utterly meaningless statement.

Yes he is a yonko now..but not when he fought Ace and WB. I gave my facts bro you can't simply just give the lame argument that he is a yonko now..so what

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm not sure about that bro. My problem why I can't question Akainu surving is because it wasn't stated that he takes more damage. Meanwhile BB took a quake puch to the face and got up casually...I call bullshit



Yes he is a yonko now..but not when he fought Ace and WB. I gave my facts bro you can't simply just give the lame argument that he is a yonko now..so what

LOL, dafuq boy. He's the same man he was when he was becoming Yonko that he was when fighting them. Even then, Teach was greatly powerful. You can't deny that. You're talking like he walked away uninjured or won or some shit, why do you think he didn't fight Shanks and his crew? He was badly damaged and couldn't fight again.

 

[shon93]

LOL, dafuq boy. He's the same man he was when he was becoming Yonko that he was when fighting them. Even then, Teach was greatly powerful. You can't deny that. You're talking like he walked away uninjured or won or some shit, why do you think he didn't fight Shanks and his crew? He was badly damaged and couldn't fight again.

You still ignoring facts bro..its 100% factual that he take way more damage than a normal logia

1)BB vs Ace-He takes two flame lances to the chest and the exploded in his chest. Please consider he take way more damage than regular people and flame hit his organs

2)BB vs WB-Akainu gets hit with a quake puch to the stomach and he doesn't get up right away. BB gets hit with a quake punch while his neck is being hold down and he gets up like nothing happened. Keep in mind it should have hurt way more than Akainu's quake puch because he takes way more damage

3)BB vs Sengoku-Sengoku hits him with 2 shockwaves back to back and he they don't even effect him bro considering the yami yami absorbs more damage

My point is BB got back up casually after all of those direct hit. Some things are obvious as day brro. Thats no durability or greatness. Thats ****kin plot to the highest degree. I am one of those people who view OP as a masterpiece but if you can't put your love for a character aside and recongnize stuff like this somethings definetly wrong

 

[Punk Hazard]

You still ignoring facts bro..its 100% factual that he take way more damage than a normal logia

1)BB vs Ace-He takes two flame lances to the chest and the exploded in his chest. Please consider he take way more damage than regular people and flame hit his organs

2)BB vs WB-Akainu gets hit with a quake puch to the stomach and he doesn't get up right away. BB gets hit with a quake punch while his neck is being hold down and he gets up like nothing happened. Keep in mind it should have hurt way more than Akainu's quake puch because he takes way more damage

3)BB vs Sengoku-Sengoku hits him with 2 shockwaves back to back and he they don't even effect him bro considering the yami yami absorbs more damage

My point is BB got back up casually after all of those direct hit. Some things are obvious as day brro. Thats no durability or greatness. Thats ****kin plot to the highest degree. I am one of those people who view OP as a masterpiece but if you can't put your love for a character aside and recongnize stuff like this somethings definetly wrong

1. He's still a Logia. He has the same intangibility as other Logias, but he still feels pain. None of his organs were actually physically harmed, he just felt pain.

2. You have to take in mind that Whitebeard had less stamina and energy at that time, so it's likely his blows were weaker.

3. Once again, he's a Logia. His body still has the intangible factor, he just feels the pain. It's like, if he's hit with an attack that could break his leg were it not for the intangibility, he'd still feel the pain of the blow, but his leg wouldn't actually break.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

maybe he put more power in the punch against akainu
he seemed really pissed

 

[puni]

Marco stated that he has wierd body,maybe because of it.

 

[LuffyWantsMeat]

"...the user can absorb physical matter and attacks of any type by sucking it into the darkness..."

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This is from the One Piece Wiki and explains why BB was able to take all of the attacks that were under question. I like to think of his ability kind of like an impact dial because he can also expel the attacks.

 

[vasu 32]

you forgot~eating 2 devil fruits and still alive,and what we got as an explaination for this case? His body is special,like WTF?Give a damn proper explaination in place of saying BS explaination.

AND YEAH THAT GUY HAS HUGE PLOT SHIELD AT HIS SIDE.

 

[Olorin]

Yes he is a yonko now..but not when he fought Ace and WB. I gave my facts bro you can't simply just give the lame argument that he is a yonko now..so what

Yes bit you forget that the dude acts like a joke most of the time, like he did against Magellan, even though BB is probably stronger, he also scarred Shanks and defeated Ace, he was about admiral level back then, now ask yourself would Akainu or Kuzan be defeated by that, even if they're logia there's still haki, you say he got up faster than Akainu but overall Akainu didn't even get really all that damaged before WB went berserk

It's very obvious at this point that BB's body is special, the first hint to that was dropped in the Jaya arc

I find it funny that even though we know almost nothing about BB ppl jump on every thing about him that's irregular even though the first hint of him being special was 500 chapters ago and other hints were dropped since, but ppl still think that it will never be explained how he is special and ate 2 fruits etc

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I thought people, myself included, put it up to him having an absolutely huge amount of pain tolerance. I mean, look at WB. I could say that was plot. But he obviously has lots of endurance. It seems as though Oda is trying to get at the fact that even with his YYnM weaknesses he is still as resilient as Newgate, which I think is awesome

 

[shon93]

Yes bit you forget that the dude acts like a joke most of the time, like he did against Magellan, even though BB is probably stronger, he also scarred Shanks and defeated Ace, he was about admiral level back then, now ask yourself would Akainu or Kuzan be defeated by that, even if they're logia there's still haki, you say he got up faster than Akainu but overall Akainu didn't even get really all that damaged before WB went berserk

It's very obvious at this point that BB's body is special, the first hint to that was dropped in the Jaya arc

I find it funny that even though we know almost nothing about BB ppl jump on every thing about him that's irregular even though the first hint of him being special was 500 chapters ago and other hints were dropped since, but ppl still think that it will never be explained how he is special and ate 2 fruits etc

I have no problem at all with him having 2 DF's I'm 100% sure there will be a good explanation to it. But you as one of the biggest one piece fan on this forum just like me need to know the difference between durabilty and BULLSHIT...lol

I thought people, myself included, put it up to him having an absolutely huge amount of pain tolerance. I mean, look at WB. I could say that was plot. But he obviously has lots of endurance. It seems as though Oda is trying to get at the fact that even with his YYnM weaknesses he is still as resilient as Newgate, which I think is awesome

I feel like theres a dinstinct difference from DURABILITY and Bullshit bro...lol... What the purpose of fighting BB if Oda doesn't respect his weakness. I feel like if you get hit with a Quake puch to the face,Flame Lances explode in your chest,You take 2 shockwaves. It might not kill you in the world of shounen but you shouldn't be able to get back up considering you take way more damage than a normal logia. And these are Top 10 fighters besides Ace

 

[Olorin]

I have no problem at all with him having 2 DF's I'm 100% sure there will be a good explanation to it. But you as one of the biggest one piece fan on this forum just like me need to know the difference between durabilty and BULLSHIT...lol

Kuzan got stabbed by WB and tackled by Jozu and got right back up
Liffy got hit by Buddha as well

BB even said "I told you, this darkness sucks everything in. Absolutely everything. Bullets, blades, punches, fire, even thunder ...!"

It sucks everything in and he still has enough durability to just shrug it of. I don't think it's bullshit I think it is a testament to how strong and underrated BB is, ppl underestimate YYnM BB severely, the dud gave Shanks scars.

And I don't think OP is mistake free, I just don't think that THIS is an issue, it's simply a feat. For the record the biggest mistake imo that Oda made isn't Pell, I don't care about that one bit, my reaction was basically "oh cool he survived", my biggest issue that I've had with OP is Crocodile's power scaling, I think Oda should have waited and introduced him later because he is obviously far above all the Alabasta straw hats put together, he's much more powerful than he seemed in the 3rd fight with Luffy, the first two were completely OK but the third one he looked rather weak compared ... Though that is still one of my fav moments in Op

And as I've said many many times before, if a manga doesn't have any issues it's simply not long enough (yet) to have them

One thing I've come to realize as a manga fan is that way too many ppl prefer counting the bullshit to actually enjoying the story

For example when Madara used Susaoo without eyes I just didn't give a f yet ppl were raging all over the place, I usually don't give a f about that what I do care about is if power scaling makes characters irrelevant or if the story just dips in quality and intrigue

Or another example if someone calls bullshit on LoTR because not enough ppl died,
And than they put it down because it makes "no sense", if you wanna put the greatest fantasy story down because of your personal bullshit I think thats just stupid (not directed at you shon so please don't take this the wrong way )

 

[Punk Hazard]

-Sigh-


OP, do you know what your problem is? You keep thinking that it's like Oda said "BB can only take level 3 hits, and WB is level 5." You're acting like Oda said BB is weak, or is incapable of withstanding their blows. What you need to understand that this isn't bullshit, this isn't asspull, it's not retcons, it's simply Oda saying "BB is a monster, BB is one of the real deals, BB is a top tier fighter." You are blinded by your underestimation of BB.

 

[Uchiha Samater]

Nice question

Here is my take on it

WB would have killed BB at MF, if you go back to the manga it's clear even in his SEVERELY, [and I really can't stress the word enough], weakened state BB freaked out and is asked his crew for help

Despite that WB did strike him pretty powerfully, however the combination of the state he was in + BB's devil fruit ensured his survival.

I wouldn't have classified WB's attacks at that moment as Level 5.

That being said, BB is a ''D'', and managed to scar shanks, and Shanks mentioned that it wasn't as if he wasn't being careful, which is an ambiguous statement but implies that BB was either skilled prior to the Yami Yami no Mi or some random course of events he scarred him.

Ace was unable to beat him because of that fruit, his pain threshold seems to be up because of the fruit aiding him somehow

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I love the suggestion that Yami's Logia intangibility still works, but pain is still felt. I absolutely love it, it explains a lot. The idea that he feels every single attack tenfold, even though it is not physically damaging him. This makes Blackbeard not a physically fit character, but a spiritually strong one. All is battles, all his power, comes from his willpower. And that makes him the greatest foe of Luffy, because he too takes no physical harm, all his power comes from his own will. When they battle eachother, it is going to be a battle of wills and ambition.

Based on that, I believe Blackbeard will get King's Haki.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I love the suggestion that Yami's Logia intangibility still works, but pain is still felt. I absolutely love it, it explains a lot. The idea that he feels every single attack tenfold, even though it is not physically damaging him. This makes Blackbeard not a physically fit character, but a spiritually strong one. All is battles, all his power, comes from his willpower. And that makes him the greatest foe of Luffy, because he too takes no physical harm, all his power comes from his own will. When they battle eachother, it is going to be a battle of wills and ambition.

Based on that, I believe Blackbeard will get King's Haki.

I like this. I feel like this is why Oda made Luffy's specialty King's Haki, and why he hasn't been using it a lot. I feel like by the time Luffy and BB fight, they're going to be using King's Haki a lot, and we'll see so much more to it than we think it is.