Harvard students debate whether white people should just kill themselves

[Claymantan]

She didn't say slavery is bad moron she said " Why is white America so reluctant to identify white college males as a problem population?"

it's perfectly harmless

If you knew anything about anything you'd know that this is a (clumsy) critique of black males being viewed as a problem population by institutions run by college-educated white males

Aside from that, her other comments target things like "white masculinity" which is a legitimate term in social scholarship for behaviors that manifest based on the intersection of race and gender

It's Twitter tho so

I mean seriously, Twitter is the most satirical social media site of the big three and people are sensitive af

Bunch of freaking anti-intellectuals who decry political correctness but don't understand jack and get hyper butthurt when people who aren't white aren't politically correct

I mean, she was gauche, but her couple of tweets isn't the same thing as some Duke professor editorializing in the NYT comments section about blacks being lazy

Both should be allowed to say what they want though, I'll give you that

But private institutions like universities have the right to regulate the behavior, including speech, of their employees as long as it doesn't transgress against state and federal guidelines (or basic human rights).

Deal with it

 

[slimreaper]

They weren't Harvard students, they were from the University of West Georgia. Turns out the argument wasn't actually an argument, but a statement made to show the absurdity of their opponent's argument:

Spoiler

Dear Mr. Davis,I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to email me directly concerning the posting of this video clip. We understand the concern surrounding a video posted this week that includes comments made by two former University of West Georgia debate students. While these students participated in a nationally sanctioned debate event in 2012 representing UWG, their comments, or the comments made in any debate, do not reflect the University’s views or values.We take diversity and inclusion very seriously. We work hard every day to ensure our students, faculty and staff from all backgrounds feel welcome and valued. Our top priority remains fostering the safest learning environment we can in which students can learn, grow and achieve.As part of that commitment, UWG will not tolerate or allow comments or behavior that incite prejudice or violence against any individual or group. Any student who engages in such behavior will be investigated under the university’s student code of conduct, resulting in appropriate sanctions.Comments made during debate training or debate events or theater rehearsals are rare exceptions to this policy. College debate programs operate in a manner similar to laboratories, where events like those depicted in the video are closely controlled and monitored. One team presents a position and the other responds, often using extreme arguments to show that a particular point is illogical.In the case of the 2012 video, the debate centered on energy policy. The first team argued that white people embracing the location of wind turbines in their neighborhoods would be a way to address criticism that racism is inherent in the movement of white populations from urban areas. The former UWG students countered that argument by claiming that the extreme would not be for white people to locate themselves near wind turbines, but rather for white people to sacrifice themselves to remove racism altogether. The purpose of the statement was to show the absurdity of their opponents’ position.Unfortunately, the purposefully-edited video posted this week does not capture the complete discussion. It includes less than a minute and a half of a debate that lasted more than an hour and a half. It does not show that the first team injected the element of racism. Ultimately, it focuses solely on the extreme points used by one of the UWG students to counter an argument in a sanctioned debate. When taken out of the context of a competition in which one team commonly uses extreme rhetoric to argue against an opponent’s extreme rhetoric, the scenes from the video are shocking. The fact that the debate was not halted and authorities were not notified shows the controlled environment in which the comments were made.Again, the students’ comments included in the video do not reflect the values of our university. They do not represent beliefs or doctrines we teach to students.I sincerely hope that by providing the context in which this video is depicted helps restore your faith in our university and in future generations of leaders.Sincerely,Kyle Marrero

I found this in less than a minute. It really does help not to be biased and/or jump to conclusions. I'm not a BLM supporter per se, but it doesn't mean I won't get the full facts before forming a conclusion. You don't set a precedent of equality for all by looking at things from just one angle.

allow me to quote a youtube comment


" Because in the same breath, they hypocritically force white people to be restricted in what speech they are allowed. The reverse of this video, with a white person arguing to deport blacks, would cause that person to be expelled from school immediately and the video would be played on the national news for weeks as proof that whites are racist, then there would be BLM riots outside the school smashing windows and demanding the school president resign."


Would the reverse have been allowed in this debate setting? I highly doubt it

 

[Claymantan]

allow me to quote a youtube comment

That's nice

 

[deadp00l]

This guy at it again

 

[slimreaper]

If you knew anything about anything you'd know that this is a (clumsy) critique of black males being viewed as a problem population by institutions run by college-educated white males

Aside from that, her other comments target things like "white masculinity" which is a legitimate term in social scholarship for behaviors that manifest based on the intersection of race and gender

It's Twitter tho so

I mean seriously, Twitter is the most satirical social media site of the big three and people are sensitive af

Bunch of freaking anti-intellectuals who decry political correctness but don't understand jack and get hyper butthurt when people who aren't white aren't politically correct

I mean, she was gauche, but her couple of tweets isn't the same thing as some Duke professor editorializing in the NYT comments section about blacks being lazy

Both should be allowed to say what they want though, I'll give you that

But private institutions like universities have the right to regulate the behavior, including speech, of their employees as long as it doesn't transgress against state and federal guidelines (or basic human rights).

Deal with it

Boston University is private btw.


I believe in the right to say whatever the **** you want about me, but I don't believe in double standards.


Stop justifying what she said while condemning the the duke professor. Nobody likes a hypocrite


Good to know it's alright to be racist as long as it's on twitter

 

[Claymantan]

Boston University is private btw.

I don't mean private vs. pubic university; all run with relative autonomy and people who are employed by them aren't state or government officials/representatives

Private as in, outside the direct administration of state and federal governments

Stop justifying what she said while condemning the the duke professor. Nobody likes a hypocrite

Reading comprehension:

Both should be allowed to say what they want though, I'll give you that

Good to know it's alright to be racist as long as it's on twitter

I'm not 100% convinced you know what racism or satire are

 

[slimreaper]

I don't mean private vs. pubic university; all run with relative autonomy and people who are employed by them aren't state or government officials/representatives

Private as in, outside the direct administration of state and federal governments



Reading comprehension:





I'm not 100% convinced you know what racism or satire are

IN what ****ing world is this satire? Where is your basis for it being satire? Why would she mention trying to find non white stores to shop in if it was satire?

 

[Claymantan]

IN what ****ing world is this satire? Where is your basis for it being satire? Why would she mention trying to find non white stores to shop in if it was satire?

Oh she meant whatever she said.

But you need the context of satire to understand what she said.

I already explained it earlier but the white male problem population thing is a reference to scholarly literature about white masculinity and its impact on behavior. It's just a term. It's a legitimately used term in sociology.

By the way, you're only focusing on the white part, she called out males too ("masculinity").

She said it clumsily because it's twitter and you can't write essays on Twitter explaining every little thing you say. So you phrase things as satirical references and people either get it or don't.

The shopping in non-white-owned stores thing is a reference to how back in MLK's time, black communities had to be essentially self-suffcient (she specifies "during MLK week"). It was possible because many blacks would set up stores in their own communities. That self-sufficiency of the ghetto has since broken down due to the gentrification of many ghettos in the U.S. She's talking about gentrification brah.

It's basic African-American history

 

[Karna]

So who are the actual idiots, the guy who edited the video or the people who bought it?

I think it's the white people, who made a point that resulted into the absurd comment from black guy.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Reminds me of that African Studies professor who advocated the extermination of all white people :sdo:

[video=youtube;kBS2Frnbt6U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBS2Frnbt6U[/video]

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Daaaaaamn OP. Back at it again with the extremism!

 

[Claymantan]

Reminds me of that African Studies professor who advocated the extermination of all white people :sdo:

[video=youtube;kBS2Frnbt6U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBS2Frnbt6U[/video]

Yeah this is properly insane

 

[slimreaper]

Oh she meant whatever she said.

But you need the context of satire to understand what she said.

I already explained it earlier but the white male problem population thing is a reference to scholarly literature about white masculinity and its impact on behavior. It's just a term. It's a legitimately used term in sociology.

By the way, you're only focusing on the white part, she called out males too ("masculinity").

She said it clumsily because it's twitter and you can't write essays on Twitter explaining every little thing you say. So you phrase things as satirical references and people either get it or don't.

The shopping in non-white-owned stores thing is a reference to how back in MLK's time, black communities had to be essentially self-suffcient (she specifies "during MLK week"). It was possible because many blacks would set up stores in their own communities. That self-sufficiency of the ghetto has since broken down due to the gentrification of many ghettos in the U.S. She's talking about gentrification brah.

It's basic African-American history

By specifically calling out white, she isn't calling out all males. That's a terrible argument.


There is literally no indication that before or after those tweets to indicate she was anything but serious with those comments.


ANnd if she was only telling a bad joke, why would she put it with something she's talking about with no need for a different context?


I think you're full of shit and just coming up with excuses to defend her

 

[Claymantan]

By specifically calling out white, she isn't calling out all males. That's a terrible argument.

I'm saying that since she's calling out white + male you should probably think "Hm, maybe she's talking about something specific and not out of her ass"

There is literally no indication that before or after those tweets to indicate she was anything but serious with those comments.

I don't feel like making a new Twitter account to check (deleted like two months ago). But she's a professor at Boston U working in African-American studies, I'm 1000% sure that there is at least other literature indicating what she might be referring to (maybe her own work outside of Twitter). And her profile description is "black+feminist+sociologist." Which means she knows more than your offended sensibilities do and probably is well-versed in everything I just described, as is every freaking first-year sociologist major.

ANnd if she was only telling a bad joke, why would she put it with something she's talking about with no need for a different context?

You don't know how Twitter works either?

 

[slimreaper]

I'm saying that since she's calling out white + male you should probably think "Hm, maybe she's talking about something specific and not out of her ass"



I don't feel like making a new Twitter account to check (deleted like two months ago). But she's a professor at Boston U working in African-American studies, I'm 1000% sure that there is at least other literature indicating what she might be referring to (maybe her own work outside of Twitter). And her profile description is "black+feminist+sociologist." Which means she knows more than your offended sensibilities do and probably is well-versed in everything I just described, as is every freaking first-year sociologist major.



You don't know how Twitter works either?

You want a link to a book called black rednecks and white liberals? It's written by a fellow of the hoover institute and a stanford professor.

In the book it explains how blacks and latinos in America,are culturally inferior to Asians, Whites,and Jews.


Bet that idea offends you