Happy Independence Day[India]

[Akаsh]

Re: Happy 70th Independence Day to all Indians !

hurray for 69yrs

 

[Akаsh]

Re: Happy 70th Independence Day to all Indians !

26/01 and 15/08 sure brings out a lot of hidden Desh Bhakts lol Happy Independence Day to all the Indians 69 years and counting. Lets make India great again! Cheers

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[Darth AniCetuS]

Re: Happy 70th Independence Day to all Indians !

Happy Independence Day.

 

[Zee Seh]

On the eve of Independence day, our brothers in Kashmir have put the following exhibition

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I don't blame them, as I recently heard what sort of measures and checks are being imposed there. While Indian government tries to impose security measures for safety, their rights are curbed, more and more so, to the point where they don't feel at home anymore. Its not the army's or the government's fault either, given how precarious the situation is. The situation isn't much different in many areas of the North East and even in the red corridor. More often than not, children pick up arms in these places.

There is a lack of availability of food, water, education and other basic resources which are necessary to live. When I was working, I travelled to many villages due to my work, to the remotest parts of the country. I witnessed situations where women had to walk kilometres to take a dump, that too in unhygenic conditions, because no washroom was available in their homes. Children and men work tirelessly, so that they can grow something and sell it for their families to sustain. In most cases, they don't know what they are going to eat tomorrow. Some parents have more children, just so they can work and provide the family with food. Met people whose relatives have committed suicide as their relatives were farmers and were not able to feed their family due to bad monsoon. On some of my trips, I came to know about places where still a caste based system thrives. Born and brought up in big cities, I saw people from reserved castes using their quota card unfairly, and thus I had developed a negative attitude towards these people. Saw that in some places, children of these communities are not allowed to be named Ram, Shyam,... etc. and are named as Chattan, Toofan etc. Also, they still don't have access to all the public places. Made me realise about how benefits are en cashed only by the already privileged and thus the disparity grows. It was a similar situation when I had visited a prestigious government hospital, with subsidised treatment and medicines, and saw the patients there were relatives of the rich and the powerful. And everyone also knows that the cheapest and best food in India is in the government 'sabhas'. Finally, I am sure all my fellow Indians must have dealt with corruption and its various facets at different levels.

I could continue, but I guess this is enough for my point. Given these, can we truly say that we are independent and celebrate Independence Day? What does independence mean, if people continue to feel strangers in their homeland and children continue being turned to terrorists? What does independence mean, if people are dying due to hunger every day and don't have the basic necessities, while many people continue to live in opulence? Where people are still discriminated on the basis of religion and caste? Where we all continue to pay the "lagaan" to the corrupt ?
I don't think we can call ourselves truly "independent". Its just that the foreigners went away, leaving all this shit, for us.

But don't mistake my concern for the situation as pessimism. I have worked with citizens of many countries, and I can proudly say that we are one of the most hard-working and smart people out there. I am constantly amazed by how much people here achieve, considering from the place which they started. It gives me great hope to see that we are making so much progress with so little at our disposal. Indeed I hope the day soon comes where we all are truly independent. Hope that all my fellow Indians would work towards making India a better place.

I get your point buddy, but thats what most people think, lack of some basic facilities have nurtured this intense situation in Kashmir, tho, it might be true in some aspects, but the situation there is more political than you think, If anyone had actually asked what the people of J&K want, they'd gladly stay with India and avoid all the fuss about separating kashmir and all, People in kashmir have been longing for peace like since forever. The people who live in the areas which are in the proximity of Indo Pak border, for them, the war never got over, they've been living in a constant terror of being bombed or becoming a victim of cross firing. Ask them, why would they ever support the pak armies trying to get them this freedom they talk about. As i said, there is more politics involved in all of this. All these separatist leaders who talk about getting freedom to kashmir, they hand out arms to little children and encourage them to protest, Ever thought about where their own children are? They should also be involved in this 'Great war for freedom' right? but all of them are far from all this getting quality education in some other parts of India and making something of their lives. So getting my point? Its all their selfish agendas and the funding they get to continue all this, theres more to it than what meets the eyes. Think yourself, why would kashmiri people sympathize with a terrorist like Burhan Wani, its the way the ones pulling the strings from up want it to be, to encourage their own propagandas.

Anyways, getting back to the main thing, Happy Independence Day to all the Indians! Cheers to the freedom =D

Oh, and, here is a video of our great Tri colour being hoisted in Kashmir(Bhuran Wani's village), Indian Army is great isnt it?

 

[Xee Etbrkz]

I get your point buddy, but thats what most people think, lack of some basic facilities have nurtured this intense situation in Kashmir, tho, it might be true in some aspects, but the situation there is more political than you think, If anyone had actually asked what the people of J&K want, they'd gladly stay with India and avoid all the fuss about separating kashmir and all, People in kashmir have been longing for peace like since forever. The people who live in the areas which are in the proximity of Indo Pak border, for them, the war never got over, they've been living in a constant terror of being bombed or becoming a victim of cross firing. Ask them, why would they ever support the pak armies trying to get them this freedom they talk about. As i said, there is more politics involved in all of this. All these separatist leaders who talk about getting freedom to kashmir, they hand out arms to little children and encourage them to protest, Ever thought about where their own children are? They should also be involved in this 'Great war for freedom' right? but all of them are far from all this getting quality education in some other parts of India and making something of their lives. So getting my point? Its all their selfish agendas and the funding they get to continue all this, theres more to it than what meets the eyes. Think yourself, why would kashmiri people sympathize with a terrorist like Burhan Wani, its the way the ones pulling the strings from up want it to be, to encourage their own propagandas.

Anyways, getting back to the main thing, Happy Independence Day to all the Indians! Cheers to the freedom =D

Oh, and, here is a video of our great Tri colour being hoisted in Kashmir(Bhuran Wani's village), Indian Army is great isnt it?

Bro, I have a few friends who are Kashmiri and I have had this debate many times with them. They neither want to be a part of India nor of Pakistan. They just want to live in their homeland without any terror, be it propagated by terrorists or our army. And I think, you misunderstood my post. I never assigned blame to the Kashmiris. I just said, it is easier to go astray with what is happening around them. Therefore, we must as a nation try to integrate them as much as possible. At the risk of going tangential to the OP, I would say that Article 370 needs to go away asap. I have known people, who have worked all their life in Kashmir and then cannot settle there due to this law. Also, how can it be truly integrated with India, with such a law in place? The citizens will always view the rest of the country as "them" rather than "us" with this law. Now how to go about it, I am not sure at all.

But we should drop this discussion for today, I guess. Celebrate and enjoy

 

[BLAZE]

Bro, I have a few friends who are Kashmiri and I have had this debate many times with them. They neither want to be a part of India nor of Pakistan. They just want to live in their homeland without any terror, be it propagated by terrorists or our army. And I think, you misunderstood my post. I never assigned blame to the Kashmiris. I just said, it is easier to go astray with what is happening around them. Therefore, we must as a nation try to integrate them as much as possible. At the risk of going tangential to the OP, I would say that Article 370 needs to go away asap. I have known people, who have worked all their life in Kashmir and then cannot settle there due to this law. Also, how can it be truly integrated with India, with such a law in place? The citizens will always view the rest of the country as "them" rather than "us" with this law. Now how to go about it, I am not sure at all.

But we should drop this discussion for today, I guess. Celebrate and enjoy

well dude Independence of kashmir is not an option since it will get sandwiched btn 2 large nations.Pakistan already invaded it in 1947 so don't so why it won't do it again.

Plebiscite is not possible since it will require the whole J&K to vote and according to UN resolution of 1948 the first step would require pakistan to pull all its civillian and forces out of J&K since pakistani's have changed the demographic of azad kasmir by populating it with mirpuri punjabis

Another point being China's occupation of Aksai chin.Also pakistan gave away shaksgam valley to china so it will require those regions too which China won't allow

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Now about the Indian ruled region niether Hindu dominant Jammu or Shia and Buddhist dominant Ladakh wants independence from India.The problem lies in Valley mainly due to separatists whose own children are safely outside the valley and pakistani non state actors.

J&K actually enjoys better life than most part of India and compared to so called Pakistan that accuse us of atrocities there while supporting terrorism in the valley

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i agree with the lifting of AFSPA though

Happy Independence day

 

[Xee Etbrkz]

Plebiscite is not possible since it will require the whole J&K to vote and according to UN resolution of 1948 the first step would require pakistan to pull all its civillian and forces out of J&K since pakistani's have changed the demographic of azad kasmir by populating it with mirpuri punjabis

Didn't advocate other points in any way, but with the joint BJP-PDP government, I had some hope of Article 370 being revoked through voting. Doesn't seem likely though.

J&K actually enjoys better life than most part of India and compared to so called Pakistan that accuse us of atrocities there while supporting terrorism in the valley

Depends on what your definition of quality of life is. If you mean per capita income, then yes, I agree. Otherwise no. My friend, who belongs to a rich family in Srinagar, had his family searched, in front of him, by the army folks. His mother and sister were "searched" (let's leave it at that, because you don't want me to explain the gory details of it all), in front of him by jeering army folks. His cousin brother had been shot, through no fault of his own. Now, I won't call that a good life.

FYI, before people label me, I am not a Kashmiri. And let's just leave this here for the day

 

[Avani]

Here’s wishing your dreams of a New tomorrow come true…
Now and Always, Happy Independence Day to you.

I hope you guys had a good day.

 

[BLAZE]

Didn't advocate other points in any way, but with the joint BJP-PDP government, I had some hope of Article 370 being revoked through voting. Doesn't seem likely though.

Do you think the Hurriyat will allow it.Nope and it will lead to another violence there

Depends on what your definition of quality of life is. If you mean per capita income, then yes, I agree.

Per capita;Life Expentency and Schooling of people

Otherwise no. My friend, who belongs to a rich family in Srinagar, had his family searched, in front of him, by the army folks. His mother and sister were "searched" (let's leave it at that, because you don't want me to explain the gory details of it all), in front of him by jeering army folks. His cousin brother had been shot, through no fault of his own. Now, I won't call that a good life.

Well who is responsible for it then.aren't Kashmiri's themself a bit responsible too.What happened with more than half million kashmiri pundits back in 90's.Were they not kashmiri's.i have many pundit friends and many kashmiri friends and yes eveyone wants a normal life but can it happen if you support terrorists


Using religion as tool is a dangerous thing.I do not support AFSPA but the reason it was implemented becoz they tried to change demographic of the region with support of a country that lost its lifeline after 1971

let's us see the people who they think are their messiah

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Misguiding Youth
Hurriyat leaders have been criticized for inciting youth for Jihad & stone pelting and to leave their studies for a ‘bigger cause’ while their own children and family members are getting the best education in other parts of the country and even abroad.[5]
Syed Ali Shah Geelani: Geelani's elder son Nayeem Geelani is a medical practitioner in Rawalpindi, Pakistan. Nayeem’s wife is also in the same profession there. Geelani’s second son, Zahoor Geelani, along with his family lives in New Delhi. Izhaar Geelani, grandson of Geelani, is a crew member of a private airliner in India, while his daughter Farhat Geelani is a teacher in Jeddah and her husband is an engineer there.[5]
Asiya Andrabi: Her elder son Muhammad bin Qasim, is living with her sister in Malaysia. He is captain of his university cricket team.[15] Most of Asiya’s relatives have shifted to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, England and Malaysia.[16] Her one nephew Zulqarnain is a captain in the Pakistan Army and second nephew Irtiyaz-un-Nabi is an aeronautical engineer and lecturer in the International Islamic University, Islamabad.[16]
Dr. Darakshan Andrabi who is President of Socialistic Democratic Party of Jammu and Kashmir said in 2010, "I was the first one to talk about the duality that Asiya was adopting. We were happy that she wanted her son to secure an Indian passport and study IT in Malaysia but this should apply for all Kashmiri youth. Asiya should ask all Kashmiris to secure an Indian passport and educate themselves. Instead she exhorts the youth to shun everything and anything that is India."[6]

yasin malik's family does not even live in kashmir

Let us ignore Hafeez saeed and syed salahuddin both on NIA most wanted list and even UN.

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They call out people to boycott election despite the fact election is a way to ensure who do you choose as your candidate who will ensure everything for you for next five years[your rights included]
See what ladakhi's want

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this is happening only becoz Kashmiri separatist are trying to fight against something on which the whole region does not agree on.Its like the you want to sell your family property on which your family member's don't agree but you will do so becoz of you are stubborn.

FYI, before people label me, I am not a Kashmiri. And let's just leave this here for the day

Well neither am I.Okay

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Happy Independence Day neighbors

 

[Zee Seh]

Didn't advocate other points in any way, but with the joint BJP-PDP government, I had some hope of Article 370 being revoked through voting. Doesn't seem likely though.

Believe me, being a citizen of J&K i can assure you this, the State government itself is never gonna revoke 370 lol The center has to push in for this to happen

 

[BLAZE]

Believe me, being a citizen of J&K i can assure you this, the State government itself is never gonna revoke 370 lol The center has to push in for this to happen

and here i though you were Punjabi Apple kun:

 

[Zee Seh]

and here i though you were Punjabi Apple kun:

Well my secret's out ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Am i in trouble ?