Hanzo VS Sasori

[Icelerate]

@Drae, are you talking about old Hanzo or Prime Hanzo. If we're talking about Prime Hanzo, I'll agree with you but if this is old Hanzo, I'm sorry but Sasori takes him out with low-mid difficulty.

 

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The sword being Chakra enhanced is based off when he clashed and slashed sasuke

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his katana wasn't shown to be different. It wasn't till the moment they clashed when his sword was infused with chakra. It's the same with a prime Mifune, he wouldn't use the chakra till the moment he needed to (one would assume ofcourse), but after his sword lost and he was badly injured he couldn't channel chakra. Hope that makes sense.

It was definitely different, that was the wrong page [

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]. Chakra is clearly there, whereas it isn't in the scan vs Hanzo. And we saw them when they were about to clash with their swords, no chakra was there. Here we can't even properly see Mifune's sword, and against Hanzo his sword

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, meaning he fights to test his skills rather than cutting through his opponents sword. When they

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there was once again no chakra on his sword, as shown last time, where there was no chakra on his sword. So no, that point doesn't stand, nor does it make sense how his sword can break a chakra infused sword.

E' tags are indeed broken and I agree if Sasori had knowledge on the attack he could do what you stated, but fact of the matter is that he doesn't and wouldn't know what hit him till it was too late. Sasori's fighting stile is staying stationary and fighting from a distance. He doesn't "stay moving" around when fighting. That is a big no no with any Puppet user since they lack combat skills to enter close combat. And your scenerio is assuming he even gets a chance to do

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and attempt to summon the third Kazekage while Hanzo lays down and watch Sasori set up. He also will take time to set up the Iron sand out of the Kazekage then unleash it's attack. Again will Hanzo just lay down and watch him set up or will he fight like a real ninja?

Oh shit, I forgot. If he's in Hiruko at the time, he loses. If he's out of Hiruko, he can easily counter with this [

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]. And Sasori is evidently decent in CQC, whereas most other puppet masters aren't. I don't see how he can't leave Hiruko easily. Either way, Sasori uses the Senbon's [

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] which will force Hanzo to dodge rather than close the distance. During this interval, Sasori leaves Hiruko and fights with his Satetsu, ultimately assuming victory. So no, fighting like a real ninja has little significance when you're trying to dodge deadly Senbons from making contact with you.

Hanzo doesn't have to be the perfect counter when he is elite fast! He has elite reflexes plus speed to match it. Dodging and avoiding Sasori's attacks will be childs play if Sasori doesnt figure out Hanzo is a speed demon. I never stated Hanzo would deflect iron sand. His scythe would be useless,keep that in mind. He dodges all iron sand attacks if not all the majority of them. And who said any thing about strength? Or you need strength to block or deflect attacks???? Where did you get that notion from??????

Yes, he's very fast with his shunshin. Nothing suggests his actual reaction speed is so superb that he can dodge vast amounts of Senbons while running. And you have to realise Sasori can attach his chakra strings onto Hanzo's Scythe, and convert his chakra into magnetism. This would allow him to use Hanzo's sword against him manipulating.

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And you need strength to deflect massive Iron Sand attacks. Otherwise they are not budging. Sakura needed strength to stop his IS large projectiles.

If it can hit him. And again who brought up poison? and Who said Ibuse would or could use poison and that's it????

Ibuse lacks the necessary speed feats to dodge IS. What else can he do? Lol..

Food cart destroyer is nothing more then using your giant summon to crush an opponent from above. It is nothing spl Jman and Naruto both used it and they are not listed by the way. Hanzo here showed it being used to

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! You are over thinking it entirely. Who said Poison cloud would cloud sasori's vision?

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how big Ibuse mouth is compared to a Human. It is more then enough to swallow Sasori and at the same time detach chakra strings from his outside puppets. That is more then enough time to have ibuse crush him inside before he can summon another puppet, or at the very least if Sasori escapes Hanze blitz him and Dices him no diff. Sasori would never expect it or see it coming since he would have been blind in the darkness and never knew which direction Hanzo might come from.

And alright, I concede food cart destroyer. I didn't recall that.
And Lol.. That was Shima's dust cloud if I recall correctly, so no, Hanzo isn't creating any clouds comparable with his smaller and weaker summon. Not to mention he can't see inside the cloud himself, so he's about to get hit by Iron Sand World and die.

How am I overrating him when he matched Mifune who is faster then almost any base ninja! The dude can slice you faster then you can clap your hands together. Only an idiot would think that is slow. From your house where you are now, clap your hands as fast as you can.. Did you see how fast that was and keep in mind his hands were already about to preform a jutsu. There have only been a few ninjas who can move faster then hand seals, Sasukes Susanoo Arrow is one of them. Whether you think he is "not very fast" or not doesn't matter since it is manga fact he is with hype and Feats.

And again you are assuming he even gets the chance to summon the 3rd. and assume Sasori has full knowledge while hanzo will do nothing but watch sasori's every move.

Mifune is not faster than nearly any base Ninja. Just about every Akatsuki member outspeeds him bar Hidan. Deidara definitely does so, and Sasori was implied to be superior to him. How can Sasori be stronger if his IS can't reach him?..

Yes, but how can that compare to someone travelling to me at supersonic-hypersonic speeds? It doesn't. Sasuke's arrow is 100 times faster than Mifune, don't even try. Sasuke reacted to Mifune with his 3T and with ease at that. You're simply overrating him here, he took a rusty Hanzo off guard, nothing to put him at godlike speed.

He will if he uses the Senbons as a distraction, to which Hanzo will certainly dodge, but not counter with his own forward speed. You cannot prove Hanzo is agile enough to dodge senbons and move forward simultaneously.

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Nah, it's a Manga feat. And I stated once Sasori goes air born (if he makes it that far) it becomes a stally battle and that's why I stated it goes either way. Especially since he can use

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vision from the sky then

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for a kill shot.

And alright, he can use explosive tags. It's not doing much for him, let alone getting past Hiruko's armour. And what? I already said before, and you yourself said, Poison cloud isn't hindering vision of someone who isn't affected by poison. And if anything, Hanzo gets his vision clouded as well. Not to mention Hanzo is not blitzing shit here, lml. He used shunshin to dodge an attack which is featless speed wise, so there's not much impressive happening here, let alone hitting an Akatsuki member who can hinder such with his arsenal, or simply take a shit on Hano with his tails that'll smack Hanzo silly.

 

[Draegod]

@Drae, are you talking about old Hanzo or Prime Hanzo. If we're talking about Prime Hanzo, I'll agree with you but if this is old Hanzo, I'm sorry but Sasori takes him out with low-mid difficulty.

Prime, he said both in "prime"

 

[RedRobin]

Sasori takes this.

Was Hanzo stated to be immune to all poisons? I don't think so. He is immune to the salamander poison. Also to mention, Chiyo could counter Hanzo's poison but could not make an antidote for Sasori's.

 

[Draegod]

It was definitely different, that was the wrong page [

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]. Chakra is clearly there, whereas it isn't in the scan vs Hanzo. And we saw them when they were about to clash with their swords, no chakra was there. Here we can't even properly see Mifune's sword, and against Hanzo his sword

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, meaning he fights to test his skills rather than cutting through his opponents sword. When they

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there was once again no chakra on his sword, as shown last time, where there was no chakra on his sword. So no, that point doesn't stand, nor does it make sense how his sword can break a chakra infused sword.

Hanzo uses Chakra to control his scythe so your point on a standard sword, since he uses it

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to perfectly make his chythe come down at a perfect angle from the distance, then also wrap the bottome of it around Mifunes sword at the same time. Again, just because you didnt see chakra doesn't mean it isn't there. Unless you are saying it is possible to do such a feat with out controlling it (it defies real world logic and NV logic), Gravity doesn't work like that if you didn't know.
And I didnt use the wrong scan; as scene

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the clash was about to take place yet no chakra from either, then on the next page

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they clash and chakra is showing.

And as seen

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sasukes Sword showed no chakra (fact), yet sasuke later stated his sword did indeed have lighting/chakra flowing through it constantly

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. So there goes your idea that chakra has to be shown to have it implied based on manga fact. Plus why wouldn't an elite samurai use his chakra slash to help seal the victory? And how do you think Kidomaru controls his Spider webs? or Sasori controls his Iron wire rope in his chest? It isn't magically used perfectly.

But you can choose to deny it all you wont, it doesnt take away from the fact that chakra doesn't have to be shown in to be used.

Oh shit, I forgot. If he's in Hiruko at the time, he loses. If he's out of Hiruko, he can easily counter with this [

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]. And Sasori is evidently decent in CQC, whereas most other puppet masters aren't. I don't see how he can't leave Hiruko easily. Either way, Sasori uses the Senbon's [

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] which will force Hanzo to dodge rather than close the distance. During this interval, Sasori leaves Hiruko and fights with his Satetsu, ultimately assuming victory. So no, fighting like a real ninja has little significance when you're trying to dodge deadly Senbons from making contact with you.

lol No he isn't, he is just difficult to kill and has many weapons. But at the end of the day, he is still a puppet.He wasn't fast enough to kill chiyo

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when Sakura was pulling his Wire rope

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. And he was super duper close to her yet couldn't make it in time, What makes you think he is some CQC expert all of a sudden?

Senbons? They are easily deflected with his chain and scythe no diff! They are not impossible to block. With his shunshin he easily blocks/deflects while closing the distance no diff.

Yes, he's very fast with his shunshin. Nothing suggests his actual reaction speed is so superb that he can dodge vast amounts of Senbons while running. And you have to realise Sasori can attach his chakra strings onto Hanzo's Scythe, and convert his chakra into magnetism. This would allow him to use Hanzo's sword against him manipulating.

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And you need strength to deflect massive Iron Sand attacks. Otherwise they are not budging. Sakura needed strength to stop his IS large projectiles.

His reactions stopped him from being sliced in two from a ninja who is fast enough to kill you before you move your arm an inch! He switched from trying to use a ninjutsu

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, to then blocking Mifunes attack

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. And the chakra string argument is useless in this fight with Hanzo's speed or E' tags waiting for Sasori to waste time on useless attempts. Sasori wouldn't even try the chakra strings unless there was an opening. And again i already stated the weapon would be useless against the 3rd when he comes out. And again I was talking about the senbons, didn't know you where talking about the giant iron sand moves, ofc with the giant sand structures you need strength that is common sense. Why would he even attempt to deflect them when he can simply dodge them? And saskura was easily able to read his patterns and movements. And Hanzou for sure is light-years smarter then Sakura!

Ibuse lacks the necessary speed feats to dodge IS. What else can he do? Lol..

Use his Tail to crush puppets, Go in and out of the earth no diff, crush puppets with his jaw, used as a cover etc.

And alright, I concede food cart destroyer. I didn't recall that.
And Lol.. That was Shima's dust cloud if I recall correctly, so no, Hanzo isn't creating any clouds comparable with his smaller and weaker summon. Not to mention he can't see inside the cloud himself, so he's about to get hit by Iron Sand World and die.

No it wasn't:

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Bunta snagged both up seeing as the dust cloud was a temp move to block there site from seeing Bunta place the Path and Naruto in his mouth. Pain literally says "in his mouth", then Bunta literally spits her out after Naruto solo'd her since she couldn't see. And who said he would have to see? He simply waits till Sasori attempts to escape then Shunshin to him and slice and dice him! Or slice him from a distance.

Mifune is not faster than nearly any base Ninja. Just about every Akatsuki member outspeeds him bar Hidan. Deidara definitely does so, and Sasori was implied to be superior to him. How can Sasori be stronger if his IS can't reach him?..

Yes, but how can that compare to someone travelling to me at supersonic-hypersonic speeds? It doesn't. Sasuke's arrow is 100 times faster than Mifune, don't even try. Sasuke reacted to Mifune with his 3T and with ease at that. You're simply overrating him here, he took a rusty Hanzo off guard, nothing to put him at godlike speed.

He will if he uses the Senbons as a distraction, to which Hanzo will certainly dodge, but not counter with his own forward speed. You cannot prove Hanzo is agile enough to dodge senbons and move forward simultaneously.

Yes he is easily! How? No ninja besides a Few have shown to move faster then another ninja can move more then an inch! Feat wise and Hype wise literally shows he is elite fast no diff! He is known around the world by legends for his speed of killing you before you can form a handsign for ninjutsu! This is a fact not some made up thing. Name one akatsuki member that was able to move before a ninja could move an inch... I'll wait.... Name just one! Itachi is the only one even close to this type of speed!

And Sasori being stronger then Deidara doesn't mean he beats Deidara in every Category! lel Did you really go there?

And sasuke reacted to mifune jumping in the air then doing a standard sword slash. Sasuke never reacted to IaI! Period!

4th Databook by Turrin from NF (translator)
Mifune Profile

So basically it just talks about how Mifune trained himself heavily and eventually his own body became like a Meitou (a legendary sword). Than it talks about how he is a great ruler of the Samurai and how he defeated Hanzo by piercing him with his faith via his meitou sword Kurosawa. Than talks about peace and all that garbage.

Nothing really there about Mifune's skills besides this:

Mifune's fast stroke of the sword, the shinobi's seals are bound exposing a chink in their armor (weak point), which is a godsend!! Mifune's Iai technique increases the speed of his slashes (is basically what it says).

The dude is def legit in speed whether you want to deny it or not it is a fact. Hanzo does not have to be agile when he can deflect them while moving forward! It isn't hard at all! And if he focuses on using Senbons Ibuse Attacks from below for insta win!

And again I'll ask you which ninja can move faster then a Hand sign can be used that isn't already super elite in speed or uses S/t ninjutsu?

And alright, he can use explosive tags. It's not doing much for him, let alone getting past Hiruko's armour. And what? I already said before, and you yourself said, Poison cloud isn't hindering vision of someone who isn't affected by poison. And if anything, Hanzo gets his vision clouded as well. Not to mention Hanzo is not blitzing shit here, lml. He used shunshin to dodge an attack which is featless speed wise, so there's not much impressive happening here, let alone hitting an Akatsuki member who can hinder such with his arsenal, or simply take a shit on Hano with his tails that'll smack Hanzo silly.

E' Kunais are used to destroy puppets no diff if he needs to, so they are not useless when used at the right time. Poison cloud isn't used to block his vision 100%, as seen

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it is thick enough to show only shadow figures. So it will be good as a diversion for him to shunshin behind or from other angles to attack. And how can the slow Hiruko react to him or ibuse coming from unknown angles or when the cloud is used take away his vision while Hanzo goes out of sight. Hanzo and ibuse can go underground (in his mouth) then attack from below hiruko (his weak spot), launching him in the air, then swallow him for hanzo to finish him off inside his mouth. Hanzo's shunshin was so fast and chakra infused that he was able to completely escape the battle field completely.. That speaks volumes on his shunshin control and amount of chakra he puts in it.

 

[Draegod]

Sasori takes this.

Was Hanzo stated to be immune to all poisons? I don't think so. He is immune to the salamander poison. Also to mention, Chiyo could counter Hanzo's poison but could not make an antidote for Sasori's.

You make no sense. Chiyo and Hanzo fought many times in war, ofc she would eventually learn an antidote through many trials and error. Sakura came (an inexperienced medic at the time) and found an antidote in less then a day! A poison Deadliness is measured on how fast it can kill you, Sasori's poison kills in three days while hanzos poison kills in Two! Use common sense for once.

 

[Bantos]

Sasori clearly.

 

[RedRobin]

You make no sense. Chiyo and Hanzo fought many times in war, ofc she would eventually learn an antidote through many trials and error. Sakura came (an inexperienced medic at the time) and found an antidote in less then a day! A poison Deadliness is measured on how fast it can kill you, Sasori's poison kills in three days while hanzos poison kills in Two! Use common sense for once.

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while in real time battle. However even while not in battle and the herbs of the sand village at her disposal, she still could not find an antidote to Sasori's very complex poison. So just because Hanzo's kills faster does not mean he is immune to Sasori's poison which is much more complex.

Hanzo is definitely not dodging all of Sasori's attack, he will get a scratch.

 

[V h o]

Only question is: Hanzo immune to sasori poison? If not he gets paralyzed and dies/killed. Or avoid all of sasori's attacks Zzz

 

[RedRobin]

Only question is: Hanzo immune to sasori poison? If not he gets paralyzed and dies/killed. Or avoid all of sasori's attacks Zzz

Nothing to show he is immune as the poisons couldnt be more different.

 

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Hanzo uses Chakra to control his scythe so your point on a standard sword, since he uses it

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to perfectly make his chythe come down at a perfect angle from the distance, then also wrap the bottome of it around Mifunes sword at the same time. Again, just because you didnt see chakra doesn't mean it isn't there. Unless you are saying it is possible to do such a feat with out controlling it (it defies real world logic and NV logic), Gravity doesn't work like that if you didn't know.
And I didnt use the wrong scan; as scene

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the clash was about to take place yet no chakra from either, then on the next page

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they clash and chakra is showing.

Why are you grasping at straws Draegod? Can you establish how exactly chakra manipulating a weapon can make its durability stronger? At least, when the chakra isn't being flowed onto the weapon that is. There is no chakra, end of story. Not going to debate him not using chakra to wield his Scythe, nor am I going to debate him using chakra on his sword to make it more durable, when there is no chakra whatsoever on his scythe. Until you show me chakra on it, he doesn't have it. I don't care if it defies logic, you have yet to prove how manipulating the inside of a weapon is making its actual substance harder. Not to mention you'd have to prove such chakra manipulation is possible, when it isn't. It not making sense is not relevant to me, it's a manga, most things don't make sense.

And again, you cannot even see the sword propely, so how did you decipher there was no chakra on it? You're being prettu stubborn here, concede and move along. If you can show me Hanzo's weapon with chakra, he has it. If you can't, he doesn't. End of this bullshit. And as I said before, when you look at this [

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], you can see they recreated their previous battle. You see Mifune's sword CLEARLY in both scans. Neither had chakra on their swords, yet Mifune cut right through Hanzo's sword. I'm guessing Mifune's sword is strong enough to cut through chakra enhanced swords without being enhanced itself. Fail logic is fail logic.

And as seen

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sasukes Sword showed no chakra (fact), yet sasuke later stated his sword did indeed have lighting/chakra flowing through it constantly

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. So there goes your idea that chakra has to be shown to have it implied based on manga fact. Plus why wouldn't an elite samurai use his chakra slash to help seal the victory? And how do you think Kidomaru controls his Spider webs? or Sasori controls his Iron wire rope in his chest? It isn't magically used perfectly.

But you can choose to deny it all you wont, it doesnt take away from the fact that chakra doesn't have to be shown in to be used.

Bad example. It was clearly shown later that the Raiton flow was extremely

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, so seeing it from a distance is absolutely impossible. It's completely different than when we get to see a sword from 20cm away. Your comparison is once again flawed. So no, my idea was not thrown out the window, nor does it imply Hanzo used chakra in his sword, nor does it imply Mifune used chakra in his sword. Fail comparisons make your whole conclusion fail.

I deny things which aren't true, it's only natural.

lol No he isn't, he is just difficult to kill and has many weapons. But at the end of the day, he is still a puppet.He wasn't fast enough to kill chiyo

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when Sakura was pulling his Wire rope

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. And he was super duper close to her yet couldn't make it in time, What makes you think he is some CQC expert all of a sudden?

Senbons? They are easily deflected with his chain and scythe no diff! They are not impossible to block. With his shunshin he easily blocks/deflects while closing the distance no diff.

I never said he was a CQC expert, stop twisting my words. I said he was proficient in comparison to other puppet masters; which is true.

Uh what? Don't be naive, it's not one senbon coming at him. It's too many for his Scythe to handle [

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]. Not to mention he can start off with the needles from his mouth and combine it with this, making it far harder to bypass. Either way, Hanzo will be standing stiff on his ground while Sasori preps to leave Hiruko.

His reactions stopped him from being sliced in two from a ninja who is fast enough to kill you before you move your arm an inch! He switched from trying to use a ninjutsu

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, to then blocking Mifunes attack

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. And the chakra string argument is useless in this fight with Hanzo's speed or E' tags waiting for Sasori to waste time on useless attempts. Sasori wouldn't even try the chakra strings unless there was an opening. And again i already stated the weapon would be useless against the 3rd when he comes out. And again I was talking about the senbons, didn't know you where talking about the giant iron sand moves, ofc with the giant sand structures you need strength that is common sense. Why would he even attempt to deflect them when he can simply dodge them? And saskura was easily able to read his patterns and movements. And Hanzou for sure is light-years smarter then Sakura!

You are way overrating this strike before clap argument. Hanzo clearly wasn't trying to clap his hands at full speed, he was doing it normally. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to move his hands so abruptly to stop the blitz; but he did. Chakra strings is useless? You gave no real reasons, E tags are far too slow for them to be considered a viable counter, and Hanzo's speed will do little when he can't perceive the chakra strings attaching to him (which will become magnetism instantly). Yes, Hanzo is more intelligent, doesn't mean he'll have a better chance at winning someone who only lost to Chiyo and Sakura due to Chiyo hard countering him and controlling Sakura.

Use his Tail to crush puppets, Go in and out of the earth no diff, crush puppets with his jaw, used as a cover etc.

Only puppet needed to guarantee victory is Satetsu. He's not hitting it when Sasori's entire focus is on it.

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Bunta snagged both up seeing as the dust cloud was a temp move to block there site from seeing Bunta place the Path and Naruto in his mouth. Pain literally says "in his mouth", then Bunta literally spits her out after Naruto solo'd her since she couldn't see. And who said he would have to see? He simply waits till Sasori attempts to escape then Shunshin to him and slice and dice him! Or slice him from a distance.

Once again you fail to address what I asked you a 100 times. You fail to realise SM Naruto can sense without sight, Hanzo has no sensory skills. So if anything, it's Sasori who wins inside a blinded area via AOE attacks. Until you tell me how Hanzo can realise Sasori is escaping, you have no argument here.

Yes he is easily! How? No ninja besides a Few have shown to move faster then another ninja can move more then an inch! Feat wise and Hype wise literally shows he is elite fast no diff! He is known around the world by legends for his speed of killing you before you can form a handsign for ninjutsu! This is a fact not some made up thing. Name one akatsuki member that was able to move before a ninja could move an inch... I'll wait.... Name just one! Itachi is the only one even close to this type of speed!

Yes, he is elite fast. Akatsuki are all elite fast, Mifune simply lacks fighting any opponent with outstanding reflexes. The only one he attempted was Sasuke, and Sasuke reacted to his strike like it was nothing. Kakuzu, Itachi, Kisame, Deva and Deidara are all faster in one way or another. Kakuzu blitzed Kakashi terribly mid-Raikiri, which is his fastest form. Deidara outsped Jin Gaara's sand, Kisame was casually reacting to v1 Bee, Deva was as fast as KM Naruto. Itachi is self-explanatory. Their feats are all massively superior to Mifune's, no contest. He can move faster than a casual handclap. That's cool and all.. But it's no quantifiable speed feat at the end of the day. Maybe if the person was clapping at max speed it is somewhat agreeable that he is on their level, but it's not a fast clap, it's a casual one. And Sasuke stopped his Iado with ease, which is the greatest aspect of Mifunne's speed. Mifune is no contest for Akatsuki members, and Sasori is fully capable of handling some Akatsuki members, so speed is no problem for him.

And Sasori being stronger then Deidara doesn't mean he beats Deidara in every Category! lel Did you really go there?

And sasuke reacted to mifune jumping in the air then doing a standard sword slash. Sasuke never reacted to IaI! Period!

I never claimed that did I? You're being a straw man.. All I said was if Sasori wanted a win, he'd need some way of hitting Deidara; logically speaking. That indicates his IS is in fact fast enough to hit Hanzo, whose speed is inferior to Deidara's/Jin Gaara's sand.

Umm do you even know what Iai is? It's not the whole movement, it is simply the draw of the sword in a fluid manner, which is all Mifune is notable for in the manga. Sasuke stopped Mifune's Iai, which may explain why it is impossible to see chakra on his sword (wouldn't be possible anyways given the distance and quality of the page).

The dude is def legit in speed whether you want to deny it or not it is a fact. Hanzo does not have to be agile when he can deflect them while moving forward! It isn't hard at all! And if he focuses on using Senbons Ibuse Attacks from below for insta win!

And again I'll ask you which ninja can move faster then a Hand sign can be used that isn't already super elite in speed or uses S/t ninjutsu?

Ibuse will only crush Hiruko if he eats him. Sasori definitely ploughs through his mouth. If anything, that's advantageous for Sasori getting ready.

Not to mention, if Sasori starts with Senbons and mouth needles, how will Hanzo summon Ibuse with seals, block all the attacks while moving forward, and command Ibuse to go underground. That makes 0 sense. Sasori would be out of the Hiruko for long, and he'd be ready for a summon attacking from underground.

Irrelevant, ninja's not showing it does not mean it is not possible. And that's purely his Iai speed, his base speed isn't as special as his Iai.

E' Kunais are used to destroy puppets no diff if he needs to, so they are not useless when used at the right time. Poison cloud isn't used to block his vision 100%, as seen

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it is thick enough to show only shadow figures. So it will be good as a diversion for him to shunshin behind or from other angles to attack. And how can the slow Hiruko react to him or ibuse coming from unknown angles or when the cloud is used take away his vision while Hanzo goes out of sight. Hanzo and ibuse can go underground (in his mouth) then attack from below hiruko (his weak spot), launching him in the air, then swallow him for hanzo to finish him off inside his mouth. Hanzo's shunshin was so fast and chakra infused that he was able to completely escape the battle field completely.. That speaks volumes on his shunshin control and amount of chakra he puts in it.

Yes, if Hanzo can see Sasori, then Sasori can see Hanzo. So both are either blinded, or see each other in shadow figure. That just means Sasori ends up utilising this moment to make it nearly impossible for Hanzo to dodge the senbons with low vision. Or, since it's already happened, Sasori would've been out of the fog by then, and once he's out of the fog, he uses Iron Sand World through Satetsu and wins the second hanzo's body is infected with his own unique poison. Hiruko will not be present by the time Ibuse has made a massive poison cloud, he'll be with Satetsu at that point, which has everything he needs to stop an approaching Ibuse from underground via Iron Sand platform. And since when can Hanzo go underground? And even if he can, that just means Sasori is now flying on his Iron Sand platform which Ibuse cannot bypass. No, there was no time frame. Nothing to base it off of at all. Hanzo's speed feat vs a kid Nagato is unquantifiable, does its relevance is inexistent.

 

[Mighty Thor]

By hype Hanzo.

 

[Icelerate]

And Hanzou for sure is light-years smarter then Sakura!

What intelligence feats or hype does Hanzo have for you to make such a statement?

 

[Bronze]

Hm...most of Sasori's attacks would be useless with Hanzo's Shunshin dodging each of them, especially Iron Sand. The poison would also be ineffective with Hanzo's anti-poison functioning. However, Hanzo has no fire-power to take on Sasori, and his poison is useless against Sasori's puppet body.

Sasori has an edge here.

 

[Zexion~]

How does this have two pages? First off you're hyping Hanzo's speed if you think he's avoiding ISWO or IS Bullets

And second poison is useless on Sasori? What exactly is the argument here? Hanzo loses

 

[Apêx1]

Hm...most of Sasori's attacks would be useless with Hanzo's Shunshin dodging each of them, especially Iron Sand. The poison would also be ineffective with Hanzo's anti-poison functioning. However, Hanzo has no fire-power to take on Sasori, and his poison is useless against Sasori's puppet body.

Sasori has an edge here.

Hanzo has immunity to every type of poison known to man? We know very well that the two poisons are different, so Hanzo is not immune to any poison bar his own until proven. Hanzo loses from the smallest scratch of IS, the only debatable thing is Sasori leaving Hiruko, which I elaborated on.