[Discussion] Hanzo overhyped by us and us only...

[Escorpiius]

I'm a bit tired that threads spread out all this week since Mifune beat Hanzo easily. Yeah, even I was disappointed that a seemingly great ninja was presented like an idiot but then I thought of it if indeed Kishi raped him or was it us who misjudged his force...

Well, I came to the conclusion that we overhyped him uselessly. People should accept that the Sannins were indeed too weak at that time. Those who don't, check out my explanation below.

The fact is that the Sannin were indeed too young...
In fact, they haven't lost to Hanzo back then...They seemed to have a good battle and as Oro was seemingly the only one to be able to continue the battle, J-Man was wanting to continue the battle. This means that his Sage Mode was really incomplete at that time and he wanted to use it in extreme conditions and he finally didn't do anything since Tsunade (who surely gave it her all) prevented him.

If Hanzo indeed beat up all Sannins in almost full-power as you most say, then there will have been summonings beaten all around and J-Man will atleast have the 2 frogs on his shoulder...The fact is that fight was pretty too easy for Hanzo at their power levels even if combined but still, he could have lost if he didn't fled away...

Here's what I think the Sannins have learnt over the years and improved...

Jiraiya

- Better Sage Mode (still not perfected one though)
- More summonings
- Rasengan (at Hanzo time, J-Man did not meet Minato yet)
- More jutsus and eventually experience

This makes Jiraiya around 4 time more powerful than at Hanzo time....


Tsunade

- Regeneration Jutsu
- 2 times more powerful strength
- Much better med. techs and eventually experience...

This makes Tsunade around 3 time more powerful than at Hanzo time...

Orochimaru

- Edo-Tensei
- More summonings
- Body Transfer Jutsu
- More snakes jutsus
- Creepy techs and other jutsus
- More experience

This makes Orochimaru 4 times more powerful than at Hanzo time...

If we calculate it mathematically (even if it's not completely reliable...),

Spoiler

Total Actual Sannnin Power = 3

Total Old Sannin Power = 1/4 J-Man + 1/3 Tsunade + 1/4 Oro
= 0.833333333333

Hanzo Power = 0.8333333333333

So Yeah, basically with even 1 Sannin only could beat Hanzo now....since 1 is greater than 0.833333333

It's us who overhyped Hanzo at that time when he was shown to be total bad-azs and winning against seemingly the Sannins, not Kishi's fault...
We cannot blame it on Kishi that he just wanted to make a fool of the "great" Hanzo...We thought too great of Hanzo uselessly
Well, if we think of it more naturally, Pein disposed of Hanzo so easily since he was too weak while J-Man alone put on a valiant fight.

 

[Danzou]

You dare to insult my comrade Hanzo!?

 

[Escorpiius]

You dare to insult my comrade Hanzo!?

The fact is that even you surpass him...He may be your comrade but the fact is that he's a weak comrade now.
Long ago, he will have prove to be a good ally but now, too many have surpassed him.

 

[Akatsuki leader]

The fact is that even you surpass him...He may be your comrade but the fact is that he's a weak comrade now.
Long ago, he will have prove to be a good ally but now, too many have surpassed him.

or just Mifune stronger than tsunade j-man and oro....

 

[mookyuzamaki]

j-man trained minato b4 that

he was probably done traaining 4th

 

[Escorpiius]

or just Mifune stronger than tsunade j-man and oro....

Don't be silly...:flaw:

j-man trained minato b4 that

he was probably done traaining 4th

No, when Yahiko saw the Sannins the first time, they were fighting Hanzo.

J-Man trained the Ame Orphans first, then after their "seemingly" death, he thought of Minato as child of Prophecy.
So yeah, J-Man did not know any Rasengan when he was fighting Hanzo...

 

[Dean-Winchester]

for crying out loud
watch this

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mifune didnt even let the guy use jutsu
before
chapter 531 everyone was like hanzo is goiing to own now everyone is bitchin seriously
hanzo is sill freakin alive the point of this manga was just history


Hanzo uses poisin too
i bet he had a chaotic high level area jutsu to wipe out that division
because he said this is the end of u samurai but know just because mifune has skill

to me this manga delivered and inspirational metaphorical message and also a warning not to underestimate
but no now everyone is CALLing HANZO a bitch GROW THE **** UP PPL Its a story
if u want blood and guts and shit watch afro samura again
and if you dont like the way this manga is going well prepare yourself for the worse shittt
tired of all u bitches bitch and some of yall are not even women just complaing all the damn time FOR FUK SAKE

 

[Water Ninja]

He Lost coz he's been rotting in a grave for the past sumthing years, and his kusarigama (whatever) was probably rusted and old and blunt

 

[FlashKID124]

you can take shots at hanzo if you want.. at one point, hanzo was one of the strongest, and most feared shinobi in the naruto universe.. he led a war against the leaf didn't he?

and against him losing to mifune, hanzo hasn't exactly been improving.. hes been dead.. he can't be resurrected with new battle experience.. he's only as strong as he was when he died.. mifune lived.. he grew stronger..

about hanzo vs the sannins... they were still pretty young at the time.. orochimaru got stronger by the time he had betrayed the village and ran all his experiments.. jiraiya got stronger by chasing oro.. dunno about tsunade.. they weren't a match for hanzo at the time.. and they knew it.. they were spared by hanzo..

 

[Escorpiius]

you can take shots at hanzo if you want.. at one point, hanzo was one of the strongest, and most feared shinobi in the naruto universe.. he led a war against the leaf didn't he?

and against him losing to mifune, hanzo hasn't exactly been improving.. hes been dead.. he can't be resurrected with new battle experience.. he's only as strong as he was when he died.. mifune lived.. he grew stronger..

about hanzo vs the sannins... they were still pretty young at the time.. orochimaru got stronger by the time he had betrayed the village and ran all his experiments.. jiraiya got stronger by chasing oro.. dunno about tsunade.. they weren't a match for hanzo at the time.. and they knew it.. they were spared by hanzo..

Well, no one knows in complete certainty what will be the outcome of the Sannins v/s Hanzo' first fight since it was incomplete...
Anyways, that's exactly my point about Hanzo. He was great and is no more...

Too many ninjas have surpassed him. Either of the Kage or a General could defeat him; so why are so many ppl complaining to Kishi that he made Hanzou lose to Mifune?

Logically speaking, Mifune should have won that battle

 

[Aotsuki Katsumi]

Well Hanzou didn´t get much time to use ninjutsu like someone said so that´s one part in his apparent defeat but Mifune´s also a very awesome swordsman so I wouldn´t say anything.

 

[Mino]

for crying out loud
watch this

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mifune didnt even let the guy use jutsu
before
chapter 531 everyone was like hanzo is goiing to own now everyone is bitchin seriously
hanzo is sill freakin alive the point of this manga was just history


Hanzo uses poisin too
i bet he had a chaotic high level area jutsu to wipe out that division
because he said this is the end of u samurai but know just because mifune has skill

to me this manga delivered and inspirational metaphorical message and also a warning not to underestimate
but no now everyone is CALLing HANZO a bitch GROW THE **** UP PPL Its a story
if u want blood and guts and shit watch afro samura again
and if you dont like the way this manga is going well prepare yourself for the worse shittt
tired of all u bitches bitch and some of yall are not even women just complaing all the damn time FOR FUK SAKE

man you should seriously CHILL out. I do however get what you are saying, but there is points to what both you and KingSccorp said. I think that there are elements of both. Yes maybe Hanzo has been a little hyped, but that does not change the fact that he has been portrayed as a badass son of a bltch. And saying that the sannins did not technically loose since he let them live, well we all know that they are alive because Hanzo let them be alive so it is besically the same as loosing. and you got a point about Hanzo not at the time being able to cast jutsus. peace man

 

[Revan]

for me it's not just about hanzo. it's the whole way these fights are going at the moment. i mean kishi talked about a war, had all this blather about seeing your comrade's die, is hyping every enemy that pops up, yet not even one important person had even be hurt. the guys who should be superior or at least at the same level AND buffed by edo tensei are just beaten with no resistance.

- at the itachi arc sasuke barely hold his ground against deideira, and just because he was the perfect counter to him he could think about letting him live. now a immortal deideira is beaten by sai!

- the fox-kinkakku was beaten with something that he should be able to evade easily, he should be insanely fast.

- the seven swordsmen seem to be rampaged by someone without chakra.

- the moment edo tensei appeared everybody has a special technique that binds or removes souls, even madara's army.
The whole madara-kabuto-army was hyped and hyped and hyped and now disappears without ever beating a strong ninja.

btw, hanzo shouldnt even be dead now, a sword cant beat edo tensei by definiton. that's what already bothered me in kakashi vs seven swordsmen, haku shouldnt keep lying around, she's immortal. hanzo should just ignore the attacks and keep casting jutsus.

hanzo doesnt really bother me anymore, he's just the confirmation that this "war" is completely one sided because kishi decided that the good guys will slaughter the bad ones, regardless how strong the bad are supposed to be. please tell me where the entertainment value of a fight is that is decided before it begins and where one side continues to act retarded. this war has no story, no character development, no drama and no fights i can take seriously. it has nothing that made naruto naruto, nor anything that would fascinate me in another manga. If this goes on that way, I 'll quit reading my long time favorite manga, because the chapters disappoint me instead of entertaining me.

and yes, maybe hanzo was overhyped and mifune underestimated. that doesnt change the fact that hanzo who repeatedly evaded attacks with shunshin-no-jutsu was just slaughtered without any serious resistance. mifune might be able to beat him, but he shouldnt be so dominating.

sry that this became so long

 

[JMAN]

Don't you people understand what happened in this last chapter?
This was no comparison of strength or force. We Know that hanzo was a very skilled and stong shinobi, even through your calculations he is 0,833 of a Sannin even that is quiet strong. But i personnaly think he is easily sannin level.
Anyway the last chapters shows that Hanzo beat Mifune the last time because he had faith and thought he could bring peace to the world but now he has lost this faith and Mifune has gained faith and was able of beating Hanzo.

 

[MrSharingan]

btw, hanzo shouldnt even be dead now, a sword cant beat edo tensei. that's what already bothered me in kakashi vs seven swordsmen, haku shouldnt keep lying around, she's immortal. hanzo should just ignore the attacks and keep casting jutsus..

my thoughts exactly. a simple cut isn't goint ot be enough to take down a deam summon for sure.

 

[Revan]

Don't you people understand what happened in this last chapter?
This was no comparison of strength or force. We Know that hanzo was a very skilled and stong shinobi, even through your calculations he is 0,833 of a Sannin even that is quiet strong. But i personnaly think he is easily sannin level.
Anyway the last chapters shows that Hanzo beat Mifune the last time because he had faith and thought he could bring peace to the world but now he has lost this faith and Mifune has gained faith and was able of beating Hanzo.

yes, i saw that. Strangely enough, i doubt that an Ino with faith in peace could beat a Sasuke who doesnt believe in peace at all. Even a depressive and lethargic Sasuke would beat Ino with one look.
Believes and faith as part of morale influence a fight, but they usually arent everything.
I think that it's also strange that every revived has lost some faith or believe or whatever and every enemy of them has exactly that faith/believe/whatever and just needs that as an explanation why he beat them. Even more disturbing is the fact that edo tensei seems to be leading to being faithless which leads to the loss of the ability to use jutsus. Kabuto seems to have an army of wooden dolls.

By the way, I am not criticizing you here but kishi's story-writing. Naruto makes a troll out of me xd

 

[FlashKID124]

Well, no one knows in complete certainty what will be the outcome of the Sannins v/s Hanzo' first fight since it was incomplete...
Anyways, that's exactly my point about Hanzo. He was great and is no more...

Too many ninjas have surpassed him. Either of the Kage or a General could defeat him; so why are so many ppl complaining to Kishi that he made Hanzou lose to Mifune?

Logically speaking, Mifune should have won that battle

exactly.. one of the main theme's of the manga is that newer generations will always surpass the previous ones..

also, as bad ass as he was.. he's not really a main character.. he caused a lot of trouble in the past, gave birth to nagato's 6 paths of pain, warred with the leaf.. but doesn't really have a role in the present time of the manga.. and mifune isnt much of an in-depth character either.. you can't expect their fight to be some epic ten chapter battle.. especially during this all-out war.. there are so many other more important fights to be shown..

so anyone who's complaining about this fight needs to really use some logic..

 

[Olorin]

hanzo must have had an enormous influence in the shinobi world since he declared the legendary sannins and everybody knew about them

 

[Escorpiius]

yes, i saw that. Strangely enough, i doubt that an Ino with faith in peace could beat a Sasuke who doesnt believe in peace at all. Even a depressive and lethargic Sasuke would beat Ino with one look.
Believes and faith as part of morale influence a fight, but they usually arent everything.
I think that it's also strange that every revived has lost some faith or believe or whatever and every enemy of them has exactly that faith/believe/whatever and just needs that as an explanation why he beat them. Even more disturbing is the fact that edo tensei seems to be leading to being faithless which leads to the loss of the ability to use jutsus. Kabuto seems to have an army of wooden dolls.

By the way, I am not criticizing you here but kishi's story-writing. Naruto makes a troll out of me xd

I agree with you on this one... Psychological factors doesn't completely influence a fight. It depends on power and the fact is that Hanzo lost since he's weaker than Mifune...

Still, I don't agree with you that it's Kishi's fault. You see, he just showed us a long ago fight between the Sannins and Hanzou and every fans were like..."Woah, this Hanzou is nearly invincible... he could kick the azz of mostly everyone..."

This was too rushed as it was really not considered that a great ninja now, like A, Onoki, Gaara (let's not even go to Naruto, Sasuke...) could surely also be able to beat the 3 Sannins of that time.
The Sannins evolved with time while Hanzo remained of almost the same level.
Now, he's just too weak to compete against the shinobis who really improved with time.

For me, Kishi's not high on good defeat the bad ones but more on the "newer generations will surpass the other"
He always ride on that part and I think he'll continue on this...
The old kages will surely also get defeated...
I just wanna see Itachi or Nagato in action as they just died in the manga compared to the other Edo Tensei...
There will surely be few ninjas who surpassed them...
We'll see then...

 

[Escorpiius]

hanzo must have had an enormous influence in the shinobi world since he declared the legendary sannins and everybody knew about them

That's a part that we fans misinterpreted...
It was just a ninja who deemed his adversary valuable fighters...

J-Man, tsunade and Oro could also have come to the village and just said..."Yeah, a ninja named us the Legendary on the battlefield...Xd"

It was just Hanzo who named them...At that time, it was the Great Hanzo as few could compete against him, now in the manga, it should logically be Hanzo, a mere old ninja whose glory time was in the past....