Half of the Sages power > Juubis host???

[Fartman]

Madara with both Rinnegan stomps Naruto and Sasuke

 

[VongolaX]

I understand the mechanics of kamui it is as I said both are the same technique used to achieve different outcomes. Like you said it's stupid still.



Yeah still BS why keep the threats to something you planned for years alive, when they aren't even necessary for the plan to work?

I mean his plan almost work, he was only a few minutes away:

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I guess when it came in the face of nostalgia, Obito put his emotions in front of his goal which leaded to him surrendering.
After the mask breaking, he was letting people beat the crap out of him despite being several times stronger than them.

As stupid as it sounds, he really wanted them there. Even Sasuke for some reason. Poor writing.

 

[NarutoX28]

kakash can warp himself too

Well maybe because we have this:

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But then I was thinking it looked entirely different because Kakashi jumped out of his own portal as shown here:

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The way Juubidara jumped out of his Kamui portal seemed different than the way Kakashi did as Kakashi's portal could be seen behind him whereas Madara was connected to his own portal.

Seemed similar to Obito's own Kamui honestly.

 

[Angelic.]

Well maybe because we have this:

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But then I was thinking it looked entirely different because Kakashi jumped out of his own portal as shown here:

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The way Juubidara jumped out of his Kamui portal seemed different than the way Kakashi did as Kakashi's portal could be seen behind him whereas Madara was connected to his own portal.

Seemed similar to Obito's own Kamui honestly.

does it matter they both warp. and kakashi cant literally jump thru a tiny hole maybe kishi forgot

 

[NarutoX28]

Well, the Hachibi literally jumped out of Kakashi's own Kamui portal.

I don't know, I think Kishimoto just derped. Kishimoto was very inconsistent with character feats and Gudoudama's speed as well, so this doesn't surprise me too much to be honest.

 

[EKSITE]

It was only stated that he couldn't phase as a Juubi Jin, not that he couldn't warp.

Kamui isn't really phasing but moving his body or object to another dimension from my understanding.

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[Gerkak]

It's possible that because it was Kakashi's Kamui that he was able to warp considering Kakashi's Mangekyo is an entirely different eye which means it sprouts a different power.

But then again, I think Kishimoto was inconsistent as the way Madara warped seemed as if he was using Obito's Mangekyo.

But yeah, it's overall just utter BS.

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that part wasn't BS.

But yeah I agree the whole thing was BS :lol

 

[NarutoX28]

Kakashi can also

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that part wasn't BS.

But yeah I agree the whole thing was BS :lol

It still seemed different for the reasons I stated before.

And I just realized that Obito stated that he couldn't move through different dimensions as a Juubi Jin, not that he couldn't phase. Maybe it's because Obito causes objects to dematerialize whereas Kakashi forms a portal that he literally jumps through?

No idea though. Just a way to explain the shit brought up by Kishimoto.

 

[Gerkak]

It still seemed different for the reasons I stated before.

And I just realized that Obito stated that he couldn't move through different dimensions as a Juubi Jin, not that he couldn't phase. Maybe it's because Obito causes objects to dematerialize whereas Kakashi forms a portal that he literally jumps through?

No idea though. Just a way to explain the shit brought up by Kishimoto.

Obito's from what I can tell forms a suction from his eye and warps him into the portal centered on the eye

In kakashi's case kakashi centers the portal on his entire body and warps himself. This is how he and madara used it.

I doubt any dematerialization is going on in either of the two.

 

[NarutoX28]

Kamui isn't really phasing but moving his body or object to another dimension from my understanding.

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True, but that technique enables him to have his "effected" body part overlap with objects within his own dimension making it different from warping to another dimension.

It's also strange that Kakashi then implied that they were two different jutsus:

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Which leads me to believe that they are the same jutsu in the sense that they are connected to the same dimension, but have completely different mechanics.

 

[NarutoX28]

Obito's from what I can tell forms a suction from his eye and warps him into the portal centered on the eye

In kakashi's case kakashi centers the portal on his entire body and warps himself. This is how he and madara used it.

I doubt any dematerialization is going on in either of the two.

Again, I misinterpreted the manga.

 

[TaxiMan]

Yeah, the way I see it with the rikudou people are

juubi jinchuurikis
juubi
Rinnegan Madara (with the little sagemode he took)
Rinnegan Sasuke with Gedo Susanoo
Rinnegan Madara/Sasuke and Rsm Naruto
Rinnegan Obito

He predicted that fight word for word and beat the breaks off Aldo. But I think Frankie gives Conor a real fight.

Interesting order you have there, I personally have kaguya and juubi jins in the highest tier with rinnegan Madara and Rinnegan Obito in the next tier below that. Forgive me for asking this but what version is the rinnegan Madara with little sage mode? xD I noticede you have two Madaras up there, do you mean with Hashis Sage mode?

Where would you rank 2 Ms Obito in that tier? He's deff above his rinnegan self, but what about the rest in your opinion?

Frankie has all the tools to beat Conor, but I don't think he can take Conors shots despite him previously fighting at a higher weight. These featherweights can't take Conors power.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

1. Only the adult versions of Naruto and Sasuke are superior or equal to 3 eyed Madara (in power). Not any version below that. The reason for it is that chakra matures over time making it stronger. In their adulthood, Naruto and Sasuke's chakra is a lot more matured compared to JJ Madara, that's why it is stronger than or equal to 3 eye JJ Madara.

2. Half or Rikodou power < JJ power. Half of Rikodou power + EMS/Kurama > JJ power. That's why Naruto and Sasuke are stronger or equal. Not because they possess half of Rikodou power only, but because they have additional power of Kurama and EMS respectively.

 

[VongolaX]

Interesting order you have there, I personally have kaguya and juubi jins in the highest tier with rinnegan Madara and Rinnegan Obito in the next tier below that. Forgive me for asking this but what version is the rinnegan Madara with little sage mode? xD I noticede you have two Madaras up there, do you mean with Hashis Sage mode?

No problem, and yeah i meant hashirama's sagemode. I agree that juubi jinchuurikis are above (kaguya is also a juubi jinchuuriki).

Where would you rank 2 Ms Obito in that tier? He's deff above his rinnegan self, but what about the rest in your opinion?

Obito is very very powerful and with both his eyes he would be vertically unstoppable. But what interest me is that half his body not only contain mokuton but gedo mazou too:

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So the 1 MS Obito and 2 MS Obito both have uchiha abilities, mokuton, and the power of Gedo mazou. That's earns my respect. 2 MS Obito increases his offensive range more with the long distance kamui along with Perfect Susanoo (not even necessary). He's a real powerhouse. I'd put him under a juubi jinchuuriki's level if he has both of his eyes.

Frankie has all the tools to beat Conor, but I don't think he can take Conors shots despite him previously fighting at a higher weight. These featherweights can't take Conors power.

Yeah, I think Conor wins undoubtedly but Frankie fought 155lb class guys, so he won't get knocked out in the first round like Aldo.
It'll be a real war.

 

[Aizendara]

This thread....

First of all, not all Juubi hosts are equal in power and Kaguya is the strongest of the series so your title makes no sense since the strongest Juubi host is already above them and it's the weaker juubi hosts that are up for debate.

Secondly, please explain how Juubito of all people is above RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke when the latter were individually smacking around 1 eyed Juubidara, who is stronger than Juubito. Juubito was defeated by BM Naruto and Ems Sasuke yet he's above RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke? Can you post some feats? You realize they only got better during the Kaguya fight right? Let alone their Vote 2 clash.

Kaguya > 3 Eye Juubidara > Naruto = Sasuke > 1 eye juubidara > Juubito. Feats > You.

 

[Rikudou11]

Juubito was defeated by BM Naruto and Ems Sasuke yet he's above RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke?

Don't forget: He was defeated by BM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, edo hokage and over 20'000 Ninja

 

[Seventh Sama]

Hagoromo's chakra is just that strong. Nothing more or less.

 

[davidou]

Something I never got and it's still bothering me to this day.

If Naruto and Sasuke individually can beat low to mid tier juubi jins (Juubi Jin Obito, 1 eyed Juubi Jin Madara) then how is this very thing possible?

Some even believe both individually are stronger than 3 eyed Madara. Does this mean that half of hagos chakra is greater than the juubis? Because I expect a juubis host, even someone with a weaker Juubi like Obito to be nearing Hagos power himself logically.

Power is nothing without mastery.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Don't forget: He was defeated by BM Naruto, EMS Sasuke, edo hokage and over 20'000 Ninja

he had the tailed beasts pulled out by naruto...it was plot honestly

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

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that part wasn't BS.

But yeah I agree the whole thing was BS :lol

how is it BS?...if obito can overlap his body himself (intangible) then thats established...
if obito + ten-tails CANT overlap himself then its most likey because he is now "2" entities...
madara uchiha did not overlap himself...he simply warped into the kamui dimension..how is that BS?...too hard to understand??