[VS] Haku vs Kimimaro

[Apêx1]

Location: Zabuza vs Kakashi 1
Distance: 20 meters
Restrictions: None
Intel: None
Conditions: Kimi is healthy

 

[Haizaki]

Kimmimaro should win.

 

[Apêx1]

Kimmimaro should win.

How would he defeat Haku?

 

[Shitenshin no jutsu]

Kimmimaro stomps hard. Horrible match up for Haku.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

How could you possibly make an argument for Haku? Kimimaro's bone mask armor nullifies everything Haku has to offer, and he easily outlasts as well.

However, if this was future Haku... it would be a complete different story u_u

 

[Conspirator.]

Kimmimaro wins handily.

 

[Apêx1]

How could you possibly make an argument for Haku? Kimimaro's bone mask armor nullifies everything Haku has to offer, and he easily outlasts as well.

However, if this was future Haku... it would be a complete different story u_u

She wins this fam. Kimimaro has no way to beat her, and she is faster than him. 3 ways to win this;

1. She can freeze the moisture in the air and win if this becomes a drawn-out match because of the low CO2 supplies Kimimaro will suffer from (she is immune to it for whatever reason).

2. Her needles are thrown at pinpoint accuracy. There's nothing preventing her from using her ice mirrors and aiming for his eyes. He'd go blind in an instant since he has no bones on his eyelids/eyes.

3. She can freeze him in a cube. Haku formed an ice cube in an instant [

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], large enough to hold her and Zabuza. She did this by freezing the moisture in the air around her. Literally no reason for me to believe she can only do this around her, as all her Ice jutsu work by freezing moisture. Kimimaro sits in this cube and has no way of going out given how dense, cold and durable this block is.

Edit: fuked up the grammar on 1 my bad

 

[super yang]

She wins this fam. Kimimaro has no way to beat her, and she is faster than him. 3 ways to win this;

1. She can freeze the moisture in the air and win if this becomes a drawn out match because Kimimaro of the low CO2 supplies Kimimaro will suffer from (she is immune to it for whatever reason).

2. Her needles are thrown at pinpoint accuracy. There's nothing preventing her from using her ice mirrors and aiming for his eyes. He'd go blind in an instant since he has no bones on his eyelids/eyes.

3. She can freeze him in a cube. Haku formed an ice cube in an instant [

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], large enough to hold her and Zabuza. She did this by freezing the moisture in the air around her. Literally no reason for me to believe she can only do this around her, as all her Ice jutsu work by freezing moisture. Kimimaro sits in this cube and has no way of going out given how dense, cold and durable this block is.

1. is a no limits fallacy, as long as haku can't freeze the entire planet earths atmosphere there is no problem

2. kimis bone kenjutsu has enough accuracy to protect his eyes. the rest of his body is immune

3. and Kimi can porcupine any CQC freezing attempts as well as shoot finger bullets. his bones strength & density are unparalled throwbacks to the ootsutsuki clan
haku has no chance in even mid-range, cqc is suicide

 

[Forbidden Technique]

She wins this fam. Kimimaro has no way to beat her, and she is faster than him. 3 ways to win this;

1. She can freeze the moisture in the air and win if this becomes a drawn-out match because of the low CO2 supplies Kimimaro will suffer from (she is immune to it for whatever reason).

2. Her needles are thrown at pinpoint accuracy. There's nothing preventing her from using her ice mirrors and aiming for his eyes. He'd go blind in an instant since he has no bones on his eyelids/eyes.

3. She can freeze him in a cube. Haku formed an ice cube in an instant [

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], large enough to hold her and Zabuza. She did this by freezing the moisture in the air around her. Literally no reason for me to believe she can only do this around her, as all her Ice jutsu work by freezing moisture. Kimimaro sits in this cube and has no way of going out given how dense, cold and durable this block is.

Edit: fuked up the grammar on 1 my bad

You're giving him feats beyond his alive premature limits. Haku fought a drawn out match with Sasuke and Naruto and no such lack of C02 occurred. Haku will never be able to contest healthy Kimimaro in a fight of attrition, as his KKG declines rapidly due to it being chakra taxing, and Haku's lack of stamina in the first place.

Yeah, Haku has pinpoint accuracy, but that's assuming the target stay's still. He doesn't possess the sharingan, so there is no way of predicting Kimimaro's movements, and thus sniping his eyes becomes extremely difficult. Unlike Sasuke and base Naruto, I highly doubt Haku can contain Kimimaro within his Ice dome formation for very long either. He'd eventually power his way out of it.

Again, this would be beyond his alive premature capability. You really think Haku is restraining healthy Kimi with ice, when SRA Gaaras hand of sand couldn't restrain a sick Kimi? Not a chance in hell.

Maybe if you made this Edo Haku, it would be more debatable, but alive Haku is getting outlasted easily here. But this is more or less what Haku with more development should be capable of with his KKG, just as what the other Hyoton users in Kakashi Hiden did.

 

[Zexion~]

Future Haku is still shit, nothing was ever discussed about his abilities. Ice is never the strongest element to begin with, assuming he can spawn anything and everything is still shit, as bones break it each and every time.


People hype Haku and his "potential".


Wait what? Apex is saying the person who got blitzed by C01 Naruto, is faster than the one who blitzed an advanced and more controlled version?

How does he himself even think he's intelligent.

 

[Apêx1]

You're giving him feats beyond his alive premature limits. Haku fought a drawn out match with Sasuke and Naruto and no such lack of C02 occurred. Haku will never be able to contest healthy Kimimaro in a fight of attrition, as his KKG declines rapidly due to it being chakra taxing, and Haku's lack of stamina in the first place.

Yeah, Haku has pinpoint accuracy, but that's assuming the target stay's still. He doesn't possess the sharingan, so there is no way of predicting Kimimaro's movements, and thus sniping his eyes becomes extremely difficult. Unlike Sasuke and base Naruto, I highly doubt Haku can contain Kimimaro within his Ice dome formation for very long either. He'd eventually power his way out of it.

Again, this would be beyond his alive premature capability. You really think Haku is restraining healthy Kimi with ice, when SRA Gaaras hand of sand couldn't restrain a sick Kimi? Not a chance in hell.

Maybe if you made this Edo Haku, it would be more debatable, but alive Haku is getting outlasted easily here. But this is more or less what Haku with more development should be capable of with his KKG, just as what the other Hyoton users in Kakashi Hiden did.

Not really. Haku never wanted to kill people, she would rather disable them through her exploitation of the human anatomy. She even said to Naruto that she didn't want to kill him. Depriving the surrounding CO2 would kill him, or at the very least make him unconscious. And it's different, a fight of attrition isn't necessarily a fight of who has more chakra. Against Haku your lowered levels of air supply could be the reason your stamina fails you. After all Stamina and chakra are interchangeable in NV. She's created snow on two occasions in the manga just through her presence, and it wasn't even raining. Every time she's around people talk about the air freezing.

Who said that they will stay still? When Haku is using his Ice mirrors Kimimaro won't even be capable of perceiving Haku at all. Unless you are suggesting Kimimaro runs around when Ice Mirrors are created (mind you he has no intel on it either), your point is moot. Haku only needs to throw 2 needles without Kimimaro noticing for this to be an almost finished fight. Given the speed she hops from one Mirror to the next, such is more than achievable.

What? Edo capabilities are weaker than alive capabilities. You are revived with less power in all your abilities, but it's made up for with regeneration. Haku doesn't need any regeneration, nor does she get any new abilities merely from being an edo. Unless you give me a valid reason of why she wouldn't be able to form an ice block around Kimimaro then there's no reason to argue this. She can make her ice mirrors from large distances away, same would apply to all her Ice attacks. Only because she did it on herself doesn't mean she can't do it on someone else.
Gaara's sand is not solid, if you have the force you can easily separate the grains from one another. That's exactly what Kimimaro did, he walked into Gaara's sand busting through it. When it was Kimi's strongest bone vs Gaara's solid Shukaku defence Kimi's bone cracked a quarter of the way there. This big ass bone won't even fit in Haku's ice cube let alone create the force necessary to break out of the cube. This is a pure ice block which was completely unscratched from a large level explosion created by Sai. We are talking unscratched, when this Ice block is quite thick. If she chooses to use more chakra she can just make it thicker, given last time she created it in an instant.



Edit: Zexion throwing insults at people when his competence level is 4th grade level. Haku's mirror speed feats are dramatically quicker than anything Kimimaro has shown, and she has reacted to and blocked Gai and Lee's simultaneous Leaf Whirld Wind. Nobody takes you seriously Zex, foh.

 

[Haizaki]

How would he defeat Haku?

- Haku can't get past his bone armor let alone an enhanced Kimmimaro via his CM2 State.

- Haku has speed but Kimmimaro reacts to every attack and destroys her in a CQC...He has a 5 in Taijutsu(That's rated above the likes of Itachi) and he had the reflexes to react to Lee's Primary lotus(Albeit he just came from the hospital, the speed surpasses Haku) Haku gets merked in a CQC.

- Then there's the Sawarabi no Mai

KEKKEI GENKAI; NINJUTSU; Sawarabi no Mai (Dance of the Seedling Fern)
User: Kimimaro
Offensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: none.

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Preternatural, the countless bones rise from underground as so many claws from a dragon or some such fantastic beast! Contrarily to what the mildness of the name implies, for a jutsu, it's an incredibly brutal one.
For it indiscriminately slaughters whoever stands on the ground's surface, down to the last man...

The blades of bone can be as many as thousands, up to the tens of thousands. Furthermore, if this fails to bring down his foe, Kimimaro has become one with the bones, which in turn lets him have said enemy's back. Then, he may strike the one last blow...

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-A multitude of bone blades spring forth, tearing the land apart from far underground!!

-The seeds of bloodlust shall never run out.

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-Bones, bones and more bones, fiercely protruding from underground...! A counter-attack prompted as Kimimaro was lured beneath the earth.

-Thanks to the power granted to him by Stage 2, Kimimaro becomes one with the bone blades. He appears out of one of the profusely blooming multitude of bones, like an unearthly manifestation...!

Kimmimaro is one with the bones which means he can appear behind Haku's blindspot (who can't even sense) if Haku somehow manages to dodge some. Also, he can go underground since the bones builds from underneath...I think this can be viable in terms of countering the temperature aspect which I doubt Haku can setup. Those bones are far too much for Haku and can even counter her Ice Mirror technique.

Haku and his attacks woould probably never hit Kimmimaro with his reflexes

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What else..? Ice Cube? Gets wrecked since Gaara couldn't restrain him

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and let's say He's restrained...Those Bones from Sawari no Mai would break through the featless Ice Block since it went through Gaara's sand from underneath

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There's also the fact that KN0 Naruto destroyed Haku but was getting owned by Kimmimaro. That says a lot.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Not really. Haku never wanted to kill people, she would rather disable them through her exploitation of the human anatomy. She even said to Naruto that she didn't want to kill him. Depriving the surrounding CO2 would kill him, or at the very least make him unconscious. And it's different, a fight of attrition isn't necessarily a fight of who has more chakra. Against Haku your lowered levels of air supply could be the reason your stamina fails you. After all Stamina and chakra are interchangeable in NV. She's created snow on two occasions in the manga just through her presence, and it wasn't even raining. Every time she's around people talk about the air freezing.

Who said that they will stay still? When Haku is using his Ice mirrors Kimimaro won't even be capable of perceiving Haku at all. Unless you are suggesting Kimimaro runs around when Ice Mirrors are created (mind you he has no intel on it either), your point is moot. Haku only needs to throw 2 needles without Kimimaro noticing for this to be an almost finished fight. Given the speed she hops from one Mirror to the next, such is more than achievable.

What? Edo capabilities are weaker than alive capabilities. You are revived with less power in all your abilities, but it's made up for with regeneration. Haku doesn't need any regeneration, nor does she get any new abilities merely from being an edo. Unless you give me a valid reason of why she wouldn't be able to form an ice block around Kimimaro then there's no reason to argue this. She can make her ice mirrors from large distances away, same would apply to all her Ice attacks. Only because she did it on herself doesn't mean she can't do it on someone else.
Gaara's sand is not solid, if you have the force you can easily separate the grains from one another. That's exactly what Kimimaro did, he walked into Gaara's sand busting through it. When it was Kimi's strongest bone vs Gaara's solid Shukaku defence Kimi's bone cracked a quarter of the way there. This big ass bone won't even fit in Haku's ice cube let alone create the force necessary to break out of the cube. This is a pure ice block which was completely unscratched from a large level explosion created by Sai. We are talking unscratched, when this Ice block is quite thick. If she chooses to use more chakra she can just make it thicker, given last time she created it in an instant.



Edit: Zexion throwing insults at people when his competence level is 4th grade level. Haku's mirror speed feats are dramatically quicker than anything Kimimaro has shown, and she has reacted to and blocked Gai and Lee's simultaneous Leaf Whirld Wind. Nobody takes you seriously Zex, foh.

Haku is a dude...

Anyways, when Haku was Edo'd and forced against his will, he still never displayed this feat. He was freezing the surrounding environment, and a random fodder even commented on the freezing air, but yet again, no lack of oxygen was ever hinted like you're suggesting.

At first he won't, but as I said, alive Haku's speed declines rapidly. It wasn't long until 2T Sasuke and Naruto was perceiving his movements. So you're suggesting to me that Kimimaro's most likely course of action in this scenario is stand there and do absolutely nothing? That would be highly inaccurate. Lack of intel works both ways then. Haku has never opted into aiming immediately for ones eyes, and that should be no different here knowing absolutely nothing about Kimimaro. Everything is tanked, then Haku's speed swiftly drops to the point where Kimimaro can easily perceive Haku's movements. He should be able to bust through the formation any time he desires as well.

Edo Haku can sustain his KKG for an unlimited amount of time. That's the difference. He stated that it's chakra taxing, and his chakra capacity is poor. Doesn't matter if Gaaras sand is not solid or not, if you have the necessary amount of force, you can bust through ice as well, which was displayed by early part 1 Naruto. CM2 Kimimaro literally overpowered Gaaras sand coffin, and walked right out of it. We have nothing to suggest that Haku's ice is anywhere close to Gaaras sand strength. It would of easily tanked Sai's explosive tags, but unlike Haku's ice, it wouldn't of gotten easily busted through by part 1 shrouded Naruto. This would also be assuming that Kimimaro even successfully get's caught in an ice block.

 

[Apêx1]

- Haku can't get past his bone armor let alone an enhanced Kimmimaro via his CM2 State.

- Haku has speed but Kimmimaro reacts to every attack and destroys her in a CQC...He has a 5 in Taijutsu(That's rated above the likes of Itachi) and he had the reflexes to react to Lee's Primary lotus(Albeit he just came from the hospital, the speed surpasses Haku) Haku gets merked in a CQC.

Never said he would have to. Not to mention areas like the eyes which lack bones can be exploited. Kimimaro's CM2 only slows him down in this match.

He isn't reacting to her Mirrors at all, not a chance. She moves at a speed too vast for him. Look at the water mark [

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], she moves 14 times inbetween her mirrors before the water moves a single centimetre. Only after that is it indicated that this mark had splashed, which Kishi clearly intended as a way of showing her speed. No chance in hell Kimimaro will do anything when she smashed Sasuke 100 times with her speed before he moved an inch [

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]. Kimimaro only had a 5 in Taijutsu because his entire KKG was considered Taijutsu instead of ninjutsu (Oro said it himself). And what? How is reacting to child Lee's kick impressive when Haku reacted to both Gai and Lee's Whirl wind in part 2? [

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]. Albeit that was after she used her mirrors, but that doesn't matter becasue that's what's winning the fight for her, and it puts her speed far above Kimimaro.

- Then there's the Sawarabi no Mai

Which will be useless against her mirrors, and is a last resort technique that.

Kimmimaro is one with the bones which means he can appear behind Haku's blindspot (who can't even sense) if Haku somehow manages to dodge some. Also, he can go underground since the bones builds from underneath...I think this can be viable in terms of countering the temperature aspect which I doubt Haku can setup. Those bones are far too much for Haku and can even counter her Ice Mirror technique.

She'd only have to sit in her ice cube until Kimimaro tires out, given it's an extremely exhaustive technique and can't be broken by any of Kimimaro's attacks during his Bone forest.

Haku and his attacks woould probably never hit Kimmimaro with his reflexes

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Already showed you him reacting to Lee and Gai in part 2. Already showed you how much faster he can move than a droplet of water. Already showed you how fast he demolished Sasuke.

What else..? Ice Cube? Gets wrecked since Gaara couldn't restrain him

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and let's say He's restrained...Those Bones from Sawari no Mai would break through the featless Ice Block since it went through Gaara's sand from underneath

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There's also the fact that KN0 Naruto destroyed Haku but was getting owned by Kimmimaro. That says a lot.

Not a viable comparison. Kimi's strongest bone broke to Gaara's strongest defence. This Shukaku defence was practically solid unlike the other grainy defences. Ice is similar in that way, it's completely solid. He can't just smash through sand by being more durable, because against a cube which engulfs him he'd literally need to break it to escape. No reason to believe he can with the little space he has to unleash his power. Sure he can be just as durable, but that doesn't mean he breaks it. Why? Because he can't use the full potential of his bones. They aren't a natural offensive ability, they are only offensive when he's using his own body to smash through things. He can't do that here when he's restrained to such a small space. And it's not featless lol. It tanked this

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with 2 scratch on it lmao.

And there's also the fact Naruto split his Kyuubi chakra into these many clones [

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] and was mindful whereas he was mindless against Haku, and seemed to have unleashed more of the Kyuubi's chakra based on the amount of chakra he released.

Haku is a dude...

Anyways, when Haku was Edo'd and forced against his will, he still never displayed this feat. He was freezing the surrounding environment, and a random fodder even commented on the freezing air, but yet again, no lack of oxygen was ever hinted like you're suggesting.

At first he won't, but as I said, alive Haku's speed declines rapidly. It wasn't long until 2T Sasuke and Naruto was perceiving his movements. So you're suggesting to me that Kimimaro's most likely course of action in this scenario is stand there and do absolutely nothing? That would be highly inaccurate. Lack of intel works both ways then. Haku has never opted into aiming immediately for ones eyes, and that should be no different here knowing absolutely nothing about Kimimaro. Everything is tanked, then Haku's speed swiftly drops to the point where Kimimaro can easily perceive Haku's movements. He should be able to bust through the formation any time he desires as well.

Edo Haku can sustain his KKG for an unlimited amount of time. That's the difference. He stated that it's chakra taxing, and his chakra capacity is poor. Doesn't matter if Gaaras sand is not solid or not, if you have the necessary amount of force, you can bust through ice as well, which was displayed by early part 1 Naruto. CM2 Kimimaro literally overpowered Gaaras sand coffin, and walked right out of it. We have nothing to suggest that Haku's ice is anywhere close to Gaaras sand strength. It would of easily tanked Sai's explosive tags, but unlike Haku's ice, it wouldn't of gotten easily busted through by part 1 shrouded Naruto. This would also be assuming that Kimimaro even successfully get's caught in an ice block.

We both know remembering and accepting Haku as a dude is harder than it seems. Again, I clearly suggested in a drawn-out fight. As in if it keeps on going, Kimimaro's supplies will keep getting lower due to the perpetually decreasing supplies. It's harder to breathe freezing air then it is to breathe regular air. You get tired much more quickly when it's freezing in the case you didn't know.

But that's why he ends the fight the second the Mirrors come out. And no, I am saying that will happen in the first instance of the fight. Kimimaro is a defensive fighter and pretty much evades attacks for the most part. He doesn't go for attacks whenever he can like you are suggesting. At the very least she starts off her attack and ends up getting him in the eye by surprise. And I didn't suggest it's the first course of action, but after noticing how durable his body is she'll obviously realise the eyes are the most exploitable part in this situation, given she has attacks like needles that are thin enough to accomplish that job. So I disagree, she just needs to shut him down early with her needles and it's done.

Yes, but you fail to grasp the difference. You would have to break the Ice. How exactly is he breaking the ice when there's nothing to grab, and no space to bust through? It's one solid piece which Kimimaro has no means of going through whatsoever given his limit area. Kimimaro could just put his hand through the sand because it's not solid, but grains. I sincerely hope you aren't implying he can put his hand through Haku's Ice, as that's not how it works. Once he's in it he has no real way out of it. He's stuck and this is the main way in which Haku wins the fight.

 

[DrProof]

Kimimaro stomps that tranny ass. Apex what are you doing son? :|

 

[Apêx1]

Kimimaro stomps that tranny ass. Apex what are you doing son? :|

I'm trying to see how far I can take this. Kimi ain't breaking out of that ice cube. Inb4 Proof's Kimimaro threads from 2013, foh.

 

[DrProof]

I'm trying to see how far I can take this. Kimi ain't breaking out of that ice cube. Inb4 Proof's Kimimaro threads from 2013, foh.

If only I saved those ******es you little shit. Our fated debate will happen soon you fodder.

 

[Zexion~]

:lol what? If I remember correctly Sasuke was keeping up with Haku via Sharingan with what....2T (as in he read where he was going)? Who couldn't he keep up with again? Oh yeah that's right ****ing Rock Lee who straight poned his ass....who did Kimi literally troll and wreck no difficulty?

Oh yeah that same guy with the busy eyebrows who was even stronger at that point.


:lol Honestly Apex everything you do just makes you look more retarded.

Not that it matters Larch Dance breaks every mirror around him anyways.

 

[Apêx1]

If only I saved those ******es you little shit. Our fated debate will happen soon you fodder.

Lmaoo I gotchu fam.

:lol what? If I remember correctly Sasuke was keeping up with Haku via Sharingan with what....2T (as in he read where he was going)? Who couldn't he keep up with again? Oh yeah that's right ****ing Rock Lee who straight poned his ass....who did Kimi literally troll and wreck no difficulty?

Oh yeah that same guy with the busy eyebrows who was even stronger at that point.


:lol Honestly Apex everything you do just makes you look more retarded.

Not that it matters Larch Dance breaks every mirror around him anyways.

Yes, and that was when Haku was slowing down. Nothing to suggest he can see her first few Mirror hops. And it's owned or pwned, poned is not a word or slang lmao. And Haku reacted to Rock Lee and Gai's attack from her first mirror hop, so all that stuff you said goes out the trash.

And lol, amusing coming from the number 1 retard nobody takes seriously. Foh with your horrendous arguments, writing like you came out of the 4th grade and shit lmao. Debating Kakuzu for 3 years and you still fail to win arguments with him

 

[Zexion~]

Lmaoo I gotchu fam.



Yes, and that was when Haku was slowing down. Nothing to suggest he can see her first few Mirror hops. And it's owned or pwned, poned is not a word or slang lmao. And Haku reacted to Rock Lee and Gai's attack from her first mirror hop, so all that stuff you said goes out the trash.

And lol, amusing coming from the number 1 retard nobody takes seriously. Foh with your horrendous arguments, writing like you came out of the 4th grade and shit lmao. Debating Kakuzu for 3 years and you still fail to win arguments with him

All of this ^^^^ Just proves my point.