Hagoromo's Power vs. Juubi

[Tarinth]

So, it is quite commonly agreed that RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke can individually defeat Juubito
and even Juubi Jin Madara (with only one eye).

So, when Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke each half of his power, was his chakra
A. more powerful than the chakra of the Juubi
B. more chakra than that of the Juubi
c. just gave abilities that happened to be more OP

If A, then I thought the Juubi had the most powerful chakra already, and absorbing further chakra
didn't increase its potency, only amount.
If B, then how does Hagoromo have over double that of the Juubi.
If C, then just why? Because Naruto and Sasuke, at least at the time, weren't as skilled as Madara.
Maybe Obito but still.

And would a Naruto or Sasuke that got the Juubi that Madara absorbed be as strong, stronger, or
weaker than they were thanks to Hagoromo's powerup?

 

[TheSages456]

Neither Naruto or Sasuke can beat any Ten Tails Jinchuriki.

The half of his power that he gave Naruto & Sasuke were the seals. Neither Naruto or Sasuke possess reserves even remotely close to the Ten Tails. That's absurd.

 

[Passerby]

Neither Naruto or Sasuke can beat any Ten Tails Jinchuriki.

The half of his power that he gave Naruto & Sasuke were the seals. Neither Naruto or Sasuke possess reserves even remotely close to the Ten Tails. That's absurd.

Naruto negs Juubito. 9 Bijuu Shuriken can one shot him.

 

[Wparker6804]

The Juubi was as powerful as Kaguya, Kaguya was more powerful than Hagoromo or Hamura. Hagoromo took the Juubi's chakra to create Ninshuu.

Soooooooo..... The Juubi from Hagoromo's era probably not. From Naruto & Sasuke's era, probably.

 

[Michael]

Neither Naruto or Sasuke can beat any Ten Tails Jinchuriki.

The half of his power that he gave Naruto & Sasuke were the seals. Neither Naruto or Sasuke possess reserves even remotely close to the Ten Tails. That's absurd.

Are you serious? After Naruto was revived in RSM, he completely outclassed juubi jin madara, madara literally ran to get his other eye.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Juubi gives you Rikudo senjutsu alongside giant chakra pool. Naruto and Madara have same power (manga fact).

Sasuke has Rinnegan just like Madara.

Reason why they beat JJ Obito and 1 eyed JJ Madara is because they dont have PS as defense. 1 eye isnt enough for PS and TSB is not enough defense agains OP attacks.

Hagoromo gave him same power with way inferior chakra pool.

they become low on chakra fairly quickly compared to JJ Madara who for example used giant CT, and planetary level mokuton and Genjutsu and wasnt even low on chakra.

 

[Aznkidd]

Having chakra is not same as turning all of it into power. It still requires skill to use what you have and that skill + chakra = power.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Tell me how naruto or sasuke could individually defeat the jubi when hago needed his brothers help? I'll wait

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

There's definitely a misconception on how powerful Hagoromoo, juubi, and all other rikudou powered people are when it comes to gauging each other. I myself am not entirely sure on who's stronger than who but I can tell you this for sure.

1.People believe that hagormoo gave naruto and sasuke half of his power.
-To me that means too much. How can a ghost of hagormoo give all of his power to two individuals if the ghost isn't his full power himself? We already have another hagormoo ghost speaking to the Hokages.
-Saying that both Sasuke and Naruto received half the power of Hagormoo implies that both of them together are as strong as Hagormoo. That's absurd.

2. People believe that Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara was close to Hagormoo in power.
-He's clearly not considering that RSM Naruto was still alive and well. When Hagormoo became jinchuuriki, there was no separation of power.

3. Where each Rikudou powered character started off from.
-Hagormoo unlike the rest started off by inheriting his mother's powerful chakra like Hamura. That's the reason why the mom attacked those two brothers, To gain back the chakra that her sons inherited.
So at base, Hagormoo started off with a rinnegan and a kekkai mora.
-Indra's incarnates started off with a piece of Indra's chakra before later gaining Hagoromoo's chakra.
-Naruto started off with half a kyuubi then achieved little pieces of eight chakra in order for him to reach that certain level.
-Meaning from each starting point of their power, it is nearly impossible for any rikudou character to reach up to hagormoo's level since he started off at the pinnacle of inherited power just like his brother Hamura.

You need a solid line to draw the power-scaling of these characters without any biased because it will cause more confusion.

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

Tell me how naruto or sasuke could individually defeat the jubi when hago needed his brothers help? I'll wait

Lol never think about this in that way. But yeah since Hagoromo needs his brother to beat Juubi winner is obvious

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Naruto negs Juubito. 9 Bijuu Shuriken can one shot him.

You're severely underestimating a Juubi Jin. Obito lost and only lost because he lost the joust. Only reason

 

[LightSo6p]

Naruto and sasuke negs juubi jin, and in till i see something that shows me different thats my answer

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

They might beat the psuedo jubi but not the one hago fought

 

[Mad Titan Thanos]

So, it is quite commonly agreed that RSM Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke can individually defeat Juubito
and even Juubi Jin Madara (with only one eye).

So, when Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke each half of his power, was his chakra
A. more powerful than the chakra of the Juubi
B. more chakra than that of the Juubi
c. just gave abilities that happened to be more OP

If A, then I thought the Juubi had the most powerful chakra already, and absorbing further chakra
didn't increase its potency, only amount.
If B, then how does Hagoromo have over double that of the Juubi.
If C, then just why? Because Naruto and Sasuke, at least at the time, weren't as skilled as Madara.
Maybe Obito but still.

And would a Naruto or Sasuke that got the Juubi that Madara absorbed be as strong, stronger, or
weaker than they were thanks to Hagoromo's powerup?

Juubi power >> Hagoromo power everyone agrees on this.

Problem with JJ is that unlike with others Bijuus with Juubi jinchuriki can´t bring Juubi avatar or BM.Thats its only disadvantage.

With Juubi you have Rikudo senjutsu which allows you flying,levitation,sensory skills ,ability to use senjutsu attacks,TSB,Onmyoudon.

Apart from this you get amazing chakra pool,ability to use Juubidama ,chakra arms and amazing regeneration.

 

[LightSo6p]

Tell me how naruto or sasuke could individually defeat the jubi when hago needed his brothers help? I'll wait

We dont know what really happened in that fight hago could of only need his brother to help seal juubi..

But i fill if you gave naruto or sasuke both seal instead of separating them they would of neg in a 1 v 1

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

We dont know what really happened in that fight hago could of only need his brother to help seal juubi..

But i fill if you gave naruto or sasuke both seal instead of separating them they would of neg in a 1 v 1

Naruto and sasuke fought psuedo jins if it was the full jubi everyone wouldve died including madara and obito

 

[WalksInShadows]

We dont know what really happened in that fight hago could of only need his brother to help seal juubi..

But i fill if you gave naruto or sasuke both seal instead of separating them they would of neg in a 1 v 1

the fact that Hagoromo needed Hamura's help in sealing the Juubi in and of itself implies he was incapable of soloing it. The manga and DB were pretty clear that a fight took place when Kaguya made her move to reclaim the chakra Hagoromo and Hamura had and the most they could do to her in the end was seal her.

 

[WalksInShadows]

There's definitely a misconception on how powerful Hagoromoo, juubi, and all other rikudou powered people are when it comes to gauging each other. I myself am not entirely sure on who's stronger than who but I can tell you this for sure.

1.People believe that hagormoo gave naruto and sasuke half of his power.
-To me that means too much. How can a ghost of hagormoo give all of his power to two individuals if the ghost isn't his full power himself? We already have another hagormoo ghost speaking to the Hokages.
-Saying that both Sasuke and Naruto received half the power of Hagormoo implies that both of them together are as strong as Hagormoo. That's absurd.

it doesn't matter if you think it's absurd that a ghost can give its power to 2 individuals. The fact of the matter is that it happened, seeing as though he needed the help of all the deceased Kage from history to help reverse summon everybody in that other dimension back to the core one.

2. People believe that Juubi Jinchuuriki Madara was close to Hagormoo in power.
-He's clearly not considering that RSM Naruto was still alive and well. When Hagormoo became jinchuuriki, there was no separation of power.

Naruto being alive does absolutely nothing to disprove Madara's power lvl at the time, because Black Zetsu betrayed Madara and kicked off Kaguya's resurrection before he could do anything to Naruto.

 

[Tarinth]

Naruto and sasuke fought psuedo jins if it was the full jubi everyone wouldve died including madara and obito

I never suggested they were individually stronger than the full Juubi though. Just that they could beat the Juubi jins
like Obito and one-eyed Rinnegan Madara.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

it doesn't matter if you think it's absurd that a ghost can give its power to 2 individuals. The fact of the matter is that it happened, seeing as though he needed the help of all the deceased Kage from history to help reverse summon everybody in that other dimension back to the core one.

A ghost never gave his full power away to two people, otherwise Hagormoo wouldn't of existed to summon them from kaguya's dimension. He wouldn't even have the power to summon the kages if he gave all his powers away.

Naruto being alive does absolutely nothing to disprove Madara's power lvl at the time, because Black Zetsu betrayed Madara and kicked off Kaguya's resurrection before he could do anything to Naruto.

Naruto being alive means that Yin kurama and pieces of 8 other bijuu chakra was not in Madara. So clearly he was not Hagoromoo's level who had every bit of chakra non divided. Yin-yang kurama with all nine bijuus and everything.
Besides that, i don't get what you're trying to prove here.