hagoromo inconsistency

[legarcon]

The more i look at kaguya, the more she seems to be the plot device to tnj madara, what i mean is that madara really believed he was saving the world by casting IT, but as soon as kaguya appears it is revealed that IT turns people into white zetsus, therefore making madara´s plans the totally futile, so now that madara was proved wrong he will have to accept that in order to achive peace you dont have to take shorcuts like IT. So in my opinion kaguya was indeed a plot device to prove madara wrong.

Besides as the title says i find certain inconsistency in the story of hagoromo and kaguya, remember when tobi said hagoromo was the jinchuriki of the juubi, but then kaguya´s story came to light and it doesnt make sense anymore, as you remember hagoromo and hamura sealed the juubi(eg kaguya) and it is suppose that when they did it, the shell of the juubi was the center of the shubaku tensei and then the moon was created, but didnt hagoromo have the juubi inside of him? he couldnt have sealed something that was inside of his own body, and if he extracted the juubi from his body he would be extremely weakend like obito(not to mention at first obito got extracted only the tail beast and not the gedo) and the juubi could have killed him in the meantime, but then again if you remember when obito got the bijuus extracted but not the gedo, everybody was saying that he was gonna die but then kurama said that wouldnt happen as it didnt happen to hagoromo when he did the same. So:

1. how can the juubi have been sealed if the tail beasts already existed remember that the hachibi knew the juubi?
2. why hagoromo was extracted the tail beast from his body but not the gedo mazo as ths kyuubi said he saw?
3. how they sealed the juubi if hagoromo had already scattered the chakra of the juubi into nine bijuu beforehand?
4. why kaguya waited until hagoromo and hamura was adults in his prime to take any actions to get back the chakra?

As you may have notice some parts of the story imply that hagoromo was the jin of the juubi and some other parts tell you the other way around, so far it seems the presence of kaguya screw up the story of hagoromo, that´s why i see kaguya as a plot device to make madara a good guys, i´m not a madara fanboy but kaguya´s story contradicted the story so the only reason i find for her to exist is to be this plot device for madara and wrap up the story.
Kishi should explain a little more this mess because otherwise it seems he screwed up big time.

 

[Sasori]

Cool .

 

[Trúth]

Cool .

Beans .

 

[Xēnovia.]

Just go along with champ. No need to spend the rest of your day writing all that.​

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

im kinda lost but i'll take it with a grain of salt...i kno ur first language isnt english

 

[Wavyhair]

I remember people pissed that he had an old design, I guess girls were looking for something to fap to.

 

[giostep]

The more i look at kaguya, the more she seems to be the plot device to tnj madara, what i mean is that madara really believed he was saving the world by casting IT, but as soon as kaguya appears it is revealed that IT turns people into white zetsus, therefore making madara´s plans the totally futile, so now that madara was proved wrong he will have to accept that in order to achive peace you dont have to take shorcuts like IT. So in my opinion kaguya was indeed a plot device to prove madara wrong.

Besides as the title says i find certain inconsistency in the story of hagoromo and kaguya, remember when tobi said hagoromo was the jinchuriki of the juubi, but then kaguya´s story came to light and it doesnt make sense anymore, as you remember hagoromo and hamura sealed the juubi(eg kaguya) and it is suppose that when they did it, the shell of the juubi was the center of the shubaku tensei and then the moon was created, but didnt hagoromo have the juubi inside of him? he couldnt have sealed something that was inside of his own body, and if he extracted the juubi from his body he would be extremely weakend like obito(not to mention at first obito got extracted only the tail beast and not the gedo) and the juubi could have killed him in the meantime, but then again if you remember when obito got the bijuus extracted but not the gedo, everybody was saying that he was gonna die but then kurama said that wouldnt happen as it didnt happen to hagoromo when he did the same. So:

1. how can the juubi have been sealed if the tail beasts already existed remember that the hachibi knew the juubi?
2. why hagoromo was extracted the tail beast from his body but not the gedo mazo as ths kyuubi said he saw?
3. how they sealed the juubi if hagoromo had already scattered the chakra of the juubi into nine bijuu beforehand?
4. why kaguya waited until hagoromo and hamura was adults in his prime to take any actions to get back the chakra?

As you may have notice some parts of the story imply that hagoromo was the jin of the juubi and some other parts tell you the other way around, so far it seems the presence of kaguya screw up the story of hagoromo, that´s why i see kaguya as a plot device to make madara a good guys, i´m not a madara fanboy but kaguya´s story contradicted the story so the only reason i find for her to exist is to be this plot device for madara and wrap up the story.
Kishi should explain a little more this mess because otherwise it seems he screwed up big time.

1. All the tailed beasts know of the Juubi. Because they were once apart of it. Doesnt make inconsistency.
2. The GM was in the moon. The tailed beasts were in HAG. When you add the Tailed beasts to the GM you get the Juubi.
3. He didnt already scatter the bijuu. We just read what happens. When Kaguya gets sealed the Tailed beasts seperate from the gezo, he then sends the GM to outerspace and he then sealed the TB bijuu in himself.
4. Motherly duties? It seems as though she can be reasonable, she did speak with BZ and even came up with battle strategy without him. Also, Before kaguya and the sages, people didnt have chakra, they obtained chakra through the descendants of hag (my assumption) I mean Uchiha are descendants of Indra, Senju are descendants of Ashura (both go back to hag), the hyuuga have to be related to Kaguya in some way or another.
It doesnt mess up the story. You just have to line it up properly and understand it to the best of your ability.
Im not saying your wrong, im just saying that this is what ive seen, and this is how im able to interpret it.

 

[legarcon]

1. All the tailed beasts know of the Juubi. Because they were once apart of it. Doesnt make inconsistency.
2. The GM was in the moon. The tailed beasts were in HAG. When you add the Tailed beasts to the GM you get the Juubi.
3. He didnt already scatter the bijuu. We just read what happens. When Kaguya gets sealed the Tailed beasts seperate from the gezo, he then sends the GM to outerspace and he then sealed the TB bijuu in himself.
4. Motherly duties? It seems as though she can be reasonable, she did speak with BZ and even came up with battle strategy without him. Also, Before kaguya and the sages, people didnt have chakra, they obtained chakra through the descendants of hag (my assumption) I mean Uchiha are descendants of Indra, Senju are descendants of Ashura (both go back to hag), the hyuuga have to be related to Kaguya in some way or another.
It doesnt mess up the story. You just have to line it up properly and understand it to the best of your ability.
Im not saying your wrong, im just saying that this is what ive seen, and this is how im able to interpret it.

i think that in some points you may be right, but wether or not is consistent i think kishi made it a little cluttered and hard to follow

 

[marksonm]

1. The tailed beasts were one and the same body as the Juubi, so they all share its memories and consciousness.

2. Hagoromo extracted the chakra of the juubi into his body and sealed the body or shell inside the moon.

3. He did not scatter it before hand, they were all different parts of the same being (10 tails), Hagoromo sealed the chakra of the 10 tails which includes all the 9 tailed beasts. He used YIN YANG release to split them later on… btw what pain and Obito have been saying are myth stories which have potential to differ slightly from what actually happened. Its just like talking about world war 2 right now; it will seem weird and the truth you speak might not really be as it is to the hero that did it personally.

4. She thought she could raise them to be on her side like BZ, but unfortunately they recognised her rootlessness in dealing with other shinobi or people in general instead of protecting them, she terrorised them, and that caused people to fear her as the demon and she turned people into zetsu and controlled them with Infinite Tsukyomi, so the two sons felt the need to do what is right by going up against their mother… ever since then, she has been trying to take their own chakra too


It is important that you note that there are two powers in operation, the power from the fruit and the power that is from Juubi who is the God tree in animal form as seen in Gedo Mazo form with the flower growing. This was why Obito was not complete after he split the chakra into the tree and the rest that Naruto pulled out was in him, Madara became more complete by adding back the tree to attain a closer level to Kaguya.
The power from the fruit is the ultimate and it is equal to the power of the Juubi to an extent and this is what was passed down to Hagoromo and Hamura naturally by birth (known as chakra), which made them even more special… their mother runs on borrowed power while they run on a pure internalised power from a borrowed source (so it is part of their DNA) hence when they had kids, we saw that they possessed the chakra and it passed down to generations as the two strongest clans.

My guess is that Hagoromo had two kids: Indra (who had his Yin power and you can tell from the eyes) and ashura with the body of the sage (Yang power), and these two kids were the major source of all the divided states and source of enmity... where as Hamura had two kids: one with the Byakugan (Yin power which continued the clan with the Byakugan eyes) and the other child had the Yang power which is the UZUMAKI.

This is why the God tree recognised all the chakra as his own… He is the ultimate source and Hagoromo divided the chakra of the tailed beasts into 9 levels of consciousness so that they can also hold a limited source of the original chakra to stop the 10 tails from gaining its senses back and trying to destroy the world.

 

[legarcon]

1. The tailed beasts were one and the same body as the Juubi, so they all share its memories and consciousness.

you may be onto something with the other points, but sharing a body doesnt mean you share memories a kid doesnt have the memories of his mother, but anyway i feel that kishi filled the story with a lot of stuff not nessesary and it kind of ended up being a cluttered mess

 

[Angelic.]

juubi is mindless so no memories...o wait kaguya remembers hago and hamura sealing her so i guess its not mindless? whaa

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Or Hagoromo lied and he's evil like everyone has been saying.

 

[Torche]

I agree, also that Hagoromo was "old" when he had his talk with the Bijuu, I was under the impression that was when he created them. Then, that should theoretically and logically be when he sealed the Gedou Mazou.

 

[legarcon]

I agree, also that Hagoromo was "old" when he had his talk with the Bijuu, I was under the impression that was when he created them. Then, that should theoretically and logically be when he sealed the Gedou Mazou.

yeah i think that kishi didnt plan enough the things ahead and ended up in a mess with that particular topic