hagoromo got a lot of plot holes. Somebody give me some answers

[sandman20]

Wait, I made an error.

Hagoromo's power stages mirrored her mother in reverse.

1) Became the Juubi's Jin. (entirety)
2) Came to old age, took the chakra and used Banbutsu Souzou to create the Bijuu.
3) Lived a while longer.
4) On his deathbed, used Rikudou CT with his brother to seal the Mazo.

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No need to find fault where there isn't any.

Incorrect. The Mazou was stated several times to be in the moon, and Black Zetsu stated Madara summoned the Mazou from the moon. Whatever translation you read that in is probably ass as ****.

Even Madara himself told Obito the very 1st thing he did when he got the Rinnegan was that a certain seal was unlocked and he was able to summon the Mazou from it's seal stone AKA the moon.

 

[sandman20]

Wait, I made an error.

Hagoromo's power stages mirrored her mother in reverse.

1) Became the Juubi's Jin. (entirety)
2) Came to old age, took the chakra and used Banbutsu Souzou to create the Bijuu.
3) Lived a while longer.
4) On his deathbed, used Rikudou CT with his brother to seal the Mazo.

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No need to find fault where there isn't any.

Incorrect. The Mazou was stated several times to be in the moon, and Black Zetsu stated Madara summoned the Mazou from the moon. Whatever translation you read that in is probably ass as ****.

Even Madara himself told Obito the very 1st thing he did when he got the Rinnegan was that a certain seal was unlocked and he was able to summon the Mazou from it's seal stone AKA the moon.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Read the last sentence again. The shell of the Juubi was in the moon. The chakra was made into the Tailed Beasts.

I know and I mentioned the problem with that eariler. Originally he had the whole Juubi inside him for years, then created the tailed beast, and finally sealed the Mazo into the moon during old age.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Yeah, and I mentioned the problem with that eariler.

There's no problems. Kaguya was sealed in the husk, the chakra was sealed into Hagoromo.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

There's no problems. Kaguya was sealed in the husk, the chakra was sealed into Hagoromo.

Read my edited post. Oh there is a problem. Kishi changed the story.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Read my edited post. Oh there is a problem. Kishi changed the story.

It was said since the Five Kage Summit.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

It was said since the Five Kage Summit.

Five Kage Summit Arc and Kurama flashback: States and shows he sealed the Mazo inside him and then later sealed it into the moon during old age.

The databook and chapter 690 flashback: States and shows he never sealed the Mazo inside of him and made the moon right after the battle with Kaguya when he is young.

See what I'm saying now?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Five Kage Summit Arc and Kurama flashback: States and shows he sealed the Mazo inside him and then later sealed it into the moon during old age.

The databook and chapter 690 flashback: States and shows he never sealed the Mazo inside of him and made the moon right after the battle with Kaguya when he is young.

See what I'm saying now?

They actually say he split the Juubi's chakra from its husk, sealed the chakra into himself, and the husk in the moon.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

They actually say he split the Juubi's chakra from its husk, sealed the chakra into himself, and the husk in the moon.

Okay, remember to read from right to left.

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The original story here says:

Hagoromo feared that the Juubi would roam free after he died when he was on his deathbed. Thus suggesting that he had whole Juubi inside of him.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Okay, remember to read from right to left.

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The original story here says:

Hagoromo feared that the Juubi would roam free after he died when he was on his deathbed. Thus suggesting that he had whole Juubi inside of him.

And the story wasn't completely accurate then. It still remains that the husk was sealed in the moon and the chakra in him

 

[Loki d]

@ bold and underlined.
This!
Some people seem to not have basic understanding of stylistic device.
Hagoromo and Hamura were placed there with purpose. It should show us readers that Naruto/Sasuke defeated Kaguya the exact same way she was defeated the first time. So she was sealed into the moon by Hagoromo and Hamura, instantly. Only the chakra was left, which leads to the plot-hole of Kurama's explanation concerning Obito's surviving.

No your misinterpretation of everything is frustrating. I couldn't refuse to correct / inform you.

Hagoromo and Hamura were sealing Kaguya. That flashback that Kaguya has of her sons is her memory of getting sealed and defeated. No where does it state that it was that moment right there that the two sons created a moon.

Hagoromo told his story. Hamura told his story. It's the same thing. They sealed Kaguya into Hagoromo. Many years later Hagoromo creates the Bijuu and moon.

It's your false assumption that makes it seem like a plot hole. Which is usually what nearly every plot hole is on this site, a misunderstanding. You guys complicate things too much.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

And the story wasn't completely accurate then. It still remains that the husk was sealed in the moon and the chakra in him

So is Kurama lying here?

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No your misinterpretation of everything is frustrating. I couldn't refuse to correct / inform you.

Hagoromo and Hamura were sealing Kaguya. That flashback that Kaguya has of her sons is her memory of getting sealed and defeated. No where does it state that it was that moment right there that the two sons created a moon.

Hagoromo told his story. Hamura told his story. It's the same thing. They sealed Kaguya into Hagoromo. Many years later Hagoromo creates the Bijuu and moon.

It's your false assumption that makes it seem like a plot hole. Which is usually what nearly every plot hole is on this site, a misunderstanding. You guys complicate things too much.

It stated that in the databook.

 

[Angelic.]

the back and forth lol. kishi just made stuff up on the spot lol

 

[Avani]

So is Kurama lying here?

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It stated that in the databook.

I don't see it a problem except that you insisting on ignoring that people are saying that Mazo was sealed in the moon at the last stage anyway.

DB are secondary source. If there is a conflict in manga and DB then I will go with the manga since that's how the story is presented. No point in arguing if Kishi let someone else write the entry in DB or forgot some detail when finally working on it and picking wrong note book.

 

[LoZelda101]

1. How did Hagoromo become a jinchuuriki when it was very clear that he and his brother sealed Kaguya and created a moon.
2. Ain't he a Yang type while his brother is a yin type? So how was he powerful enough to create bijuus on his own while not being as strong in the yin section like his brother.
3. How come he didn't know it was his mother when she came attack him?
4. Hagoromo is a shitty leader/father
5. Why would his brother agree to living on the moon for the rest of his life?

I love how most people who call out "plot holes" usually revolve around the sage and his nonsensical plot. honestly, it's best to just not even bother, if we regurgitate the same crap back to kishi, he too would probably scratch his head, so without further due, we should hope and pray the extended backstory of kagaya arc? arc after the itachi one will make things clearer.

 

[Uchihakil]

Well the only logical thing to believe is that hagoromo extracted the juubi right after kaguya was sealed (is that even possible since kaguya became one with the juubi? Dayyum kishi, that's not as logical as I thought, tbh this is no misintepretation, its a plot hole, hags and hamura were shown sealing kaguya the exact same way naruto and sasuke did, kishi should'nt have done that and kept with the original story, that the juubi was in hagoromo and he divided the chakra and sealed the statue in the moon on his death bed, it makes more sense

 

[Avani]

1. How did Hagoromo become a jinchuuriki when it was very clear that he and his brother sealed Kaguya and created a moon.
2. Ain't he a Yang type while his brother is a yin type? So how was he powerful enough to create bijuus on his own while not being as strong in the yin section like his brother.
3. How come he didn't know it was his mother when she came attack him?
4. Hagoromo is a shitty leader/father
5. Why would his brother agree to living on the moon for the rest of his life?

1) Since when you being unwilling to pay attention to the manga is a plot hole? Questions is are you even looking for explanations or just want to argue?

2)- He had both.

3)- Does the Jubbi look like Kaguya? The picture where we see Kaguya getting sealed the same way as by her sons long ago is from her POV. Besides it may also refer to the shock that their own mother turned on them. In the worst case scenario it would be a slight mistake while drawing not something major to affect the whole plot line or characterization.

4)- So is Ging. I guess that make a plot hole for H x H -borrowing your logic of course. I am not sure why would you be demanding an answer why Hagoromo was not an ideal father and class it as a plot hole. This is exactly what some of us were discussing just a day before:

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5)- Why not? Modern humans dream of living on Mars and what not. Besides the story of Kaguya kind of borrows from the story of the bamboo princess whose people were from the moon. It's not like that was first reference to some Japanese folk tale or mythology in Naruto.

 

[Warlocks]

Number 2: hagoromo has both Yang type & yin type

 

[oxtopus]

1. How did Hagoromo become a jinchuuriki when it was very clear that he and his brother sealed Kaguya and created a moon.
2. Ain't he a Yang type while his brother is a yin type? So how was he powerful enough to create bijuus on his own while not being as strong in the yin section like his brother.
3. How come he didn't know it was his mother when she came attack him?
4. Hagoromo is a shitty leader/father
5. Why would his brother agree to living on the moon for the rest of his life?

None are plotholes. Let thy master explain.
1. Hagoromo and hamura never sealed kaguya into. The moon the manga doesn't state that,after defeating the juubi they decided to seal the juubi inside hago. It was when hago was at old age that he split the juubi chakra into the tb and sealed the husk with six paths chibaku tensei,hamura must have given him his yin seal.

2. Tenseigan > rinnegan,we don't know what hamura is capable of but considering he is associated with yin,that means he will be stronger with the eyes and hago stronger with the body.

3. How would he have known,he just thought that it was the incarnation of the juubi and didn't think it could be his mama,he wasn't omniscience.

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5. To guard the body of the juubi. For example if someone (an otsutsuki)wanted to revive kaguya/juubi. They would need the tailed beasts and the gedo mazou,they could get the tb from earth but will need to go to the moon to get the gedo statue and would have to go through hamura.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So is Kurama lying here?

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It stated that in the databook.

And how does what he said contradict what I said?