Hagoromo & Gai (8 gates) vs Madara (3 eyes)

[MadaraReturns]

Intel, just as much as they really know about each other, so as much intel as they have on each other in naruto 683.

Everything is possible

At the Madara chibaku tensei location

 

[Worm]

Considering Hagoromo could possibly solo, Madara does not stand a chance at defeating both of them at the same time.​

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

If this is Madara at his best he wins, possibly.

 

[Red Slayer]

GAi will play BingPong...Hogaromo raises his finger and seals Madara
/The end

 

[TRE MERCER]

Hagormo and Gai this is just crazy. Hagoromo negs Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

Rikudo solos.

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Hagormo and Gai this is just crazy. Hagoromo negs Madara.

Rikudo solos.

I never saw any hype deadly in a fight . Rikudo beating Madara is fan fiction unless his fight skills are proven in the manga .

OP : Juubi jin Madara with third eye > Rikudo , loses against Gai & Sage .

 

[KidGamer65]

I never saw any hype deadly in a fight . Rikudo beating Madara is fan fiction unless his fight skills are proven in the manga .

OP : Juubi jin Madara with third eye > Rikudo

If I followed your logic, Naruto would beat Rikudo since he has no feats. lmao, gtfo with that shit.

Rikudo>Any form of Madara.

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

If I followed your logic, Naruto would beat Rikudo since he has no feats. lmao, gtfo with that shit.

Rikudo>Any form of Madara.

The only logic is to not include fan fictions and assumptions in a fight mate .

 

[KidGamer65]

The only logic is to not include fan fictions and assumptions in a fight mate .

No, that is called being a feats tard. That isn't logic, that's blatant idiocy. Like I said, if we used this logic..Naruto, Sasuke, Gai would beat Rikudo Sennin, all because he has no feats.

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

No, that is called being a feats tard. That isn't logic, that's blatant idiocy. Like I said, if we used this logic..Naruto, Sasuke, Gai would beat Rikudo Sennin, all because he has no feats.

Looks like I hitted a nerve lmao . Dude , if you want to be in denial about that then so be it , I can only debate with someone who can at least concede the obvious otherwise there is no point as you're blocking the debate to go further . All I know is Rikudo fighting prowess exceeding Madara's is hype unless proven otherwise in the manga , and comparing them is stupid too. The manga revealed that the one who was always portrayed the strongest the first one with chakra etc by fanboys and hype was not better than his Mother who's currently soloing the two strongest ninjas alive . This is irrelevant and Admitting the truth is positive and doesn't hurt , advice .

 

[ARGUS]

is this for real smh,,, Hagoromo solo stomps him

--non jin hagoromo he is old AF portions were giving madara a hell of a fight, and wouldve most likely defeated him,, not to mention that hagoromo is said to have mastered ALL the rinnegan jutsus,, meaning that madaras Limbo wont suffice

--the dude created the fkn moon on his death bed meaning that his CT would poop on madaras,,,

--prime hagoromo would laugh at madara, seeing how his attacks would be on a muchh higher scale,,

--and now guy is here with him, the same dude who still blitzed JJ madara (with the same reflexes as this madara),,,

--in conclusion, Madara dies a horrific, horrific death

 

[KidGamer65]

Looks like I hitted a nerve lmao . Dude , if you want to be in denial about that then so be it , I can only debate with someone who can at least concede the obvious otherwise there is no point as you're blocking the debate to go further . All I know is Rikudo fighting prowess exceeding Madara's is hype unless proven otherwise in the manga , and comparing them is stupid too. The manga revealed that the one who was always portrayed the strongest the first one with chakra etc by fanboys and hype was not better than his Mother who's currently soloing the two strongest ninjas alive . This is irrelevant and Admitting the truth is positive and doesn't hurt , advice .

Lol, not even sure if serious. How is anything in the bold relevant? Kaguya being the strongest doesn't mean Madara is stronger than Hagoromo. The funny thing is that you HAVE NO ARGUMENT besides the fact he has no feats, so Madara automatically wins.

-Rikudo has both Naruto and Sasuke's marks.

-Rikudo is strong enough to make moons without the Juubi's power, something Madara has no feats of being able to do without the Juubi..even with the Juubi he has no feats of doing so.

Pre Jin Rikudo was born with powerful chakra due to Kaguya eating the fruit, which is why he had Rinnegan, and he was strong enough without the Juubi's power to make moons, Pre Jin Madara has no such feats. Add the Juubi on top of that, and Hagoromo beats him.

Are you going to give some kind of argument? Or are you going to cry about how Rikudo has never been in battle so he can't beat Madara? lmao.

 

[Haizaki]

Madara can't beat Hagoromo. What is there to prove?

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Lol, not even sure if serious. How is anything in the bold relevant? Kaguya being the strongest doesn't mean Madara is stronger than Hagoromo. The funny thing is that you HAVE NO ARGUMENT besides the fact he has no feats, so Madara automatically wins.

It Simply proved that Rikudo's long hype has been proven wrong, if you can't understand that or admit it too I can't do much here .

-Rikudo has both Naruto and Sasuke's marks.

-Rikudo is strong enough to make moons without the Juubi's power, something Madara has no feats of being able to do without the Juubi..even with the Juubi he has no feats of doing so.

Pre Jin Rikudo was born with powerful chakra due to Kaguya eating the fruit, which is why he had Rinnegan, and he was strong enough without the Juubi's power to make moons, Pre Jin Madara has no such feats. Add the Juubi on top of that, and Hagoromo beats him.

Are you going to give some kind of argument? Or are you going to cry about how Rikudo has never been in battle so he can't beat Madara? lmao.

As I stated above , Juubi Jin Madara with THIRD eye > Rikudo Sennin . Just for your information I really likes the Sage so there is not much feat or information I'm not aware of . OP mentionned Rikudo Sennin vs JUUBI JIN Madara with THIRD EYE so why do you automatically assume Rikudo has the Juubi? You sounds biased mate .
You try to justify the hype by stating that Pre-Jin Hagoromo has the feat of making the moon , which Madara cannot do . Dude, His chakra levels doesn't mean shit as it's not because he has more that he automatically beats Madara and stomps any version of him as you imply Lmao . Chakra levels aren't the only factor in a fight so this is irrelevant . Plus Madara has the third eye here , can't we speculate this is a major advantage for him ? Or is it hype too and I need to explain it too? Lmao . Plus , in the Minato vs Nagato thread we are debating on, I dont recall Minato could summon any Meteors or any Massive Chibaku Tensei as Healthy Nagato and even weak Nagato could . Does that makes Minato less able to wins against him in your opinion?? No as you stated countless time so please stop to be biased .

 

[Mr SwizZz]

It Simply proved that Rikudo's long hype has been proven wrong, if you can't understand that or admit it too I can't do much here .



As I stated above , Juubi Jin Madara with THIRD eye > Rikudo Sennin . Just for your information I really likes the Sage so there is not much feat or information I'm not aware of . OP mentionned Rikudo Sennin vs JUUBI JIN Madara with THIRD EYE so why do you automatically assume Rikudo has the Juubi? You sounds biased mate .
You try to justify the hype by stating that Pre-Jin Hagaromo has the feat of making the moon , which Madara cannot do . Dude, His chakra levels doesn't mean shit as it's not because he has more that he automatically beats Madara and stomps any version of him as you imply Lmao . Chakra levels aren't the only factor in a fight so this is irrelevant . Plus Madara has the third eye here , can't we speculate this is a major advantage for him ? Or is it hype too and I need to explain it too? Lmao . Plus , in the Minato vs Nagato hread we are debating on, I dont recall Minato could summon any Meteors or any Massive Chibaku Tensei as Healthy Nagato and even weak Nagato could . Does that makes Minato less able to wins against him in our opinion?? No as you stated countless time so please stop to be biased .

Hagoromo pre-jin was obviosly stronger than Madara pre-jin(no edo hax) because he got chakra directly from his mother(not some chakra that spread over who knows how many generations) and made moons + he had rinnegan.

So he has at least the same feats as 3-eye Madara since they both absorbed the juubi and got 3 eyes. Also one other difference is Hagoromo had all beasts while Madara is missing half of kyuubi + a few parts of hachibi.

So, even if you choose to refuse to accept Hagoromo>Madara, we can say they are at the very least equal in power and Hagoromo more because he has all beasts.

Madara with mokuton, rinnegan and SM, can possibly come close to achieving same power as pre-jin Hagoromo, and maybe make moons since he made 2 giant asteroids already hahah.

But
EMS Madara < Pre-jin Hagoromo
EMS Madara + Mokuton/Rinnegan/Hashi SageMode <= Pre-jin Hagoromo
3-eye Madara missing half of kyuubi and parts of hachibi <(by logic) 3 eye Hagoromo because of all beasts

Logically, thats how it goes.

If you want feats, then Konohamaru's rasengan > Hagoromo because we have never seen his defensive abilities.

 

[MadaraReturns]

Kidgamer65 you said that hagoromo without juubi could make moons but thats not true, he first became its jin, so he had its chakra, later when he died he sealed its shell in the moon and split the chakra into 9 bijuu, i don't think that he first puts the shell WITH chakra into the moon and summons the chakra to make 9 bijuu, right?

 

[Seventh Sama]

Zzz
Hagoromo seals away madara.

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Hagoromo pre-jin was obviosly stronger than Madara pre-jin(no edo hax) because he got chakra directly from his mother(not some chakra that spread over who knows how many generations) and made moons + he had rinnegan.

Stronger with chakra level etc doesn't automatically means he beats him in a fight but as you stated it's obvious . Plus , his main hype comes from the fact that People tend to attribute him the fact that he fought and won against the Juubi alone : We have no clue about the fight and this is not a fight feat from him as he fought with his brother who is potentially a demi god too according to the hype and he SEALED the juubi , no clue about this fight at all nor the sealing technique .

So he has at least the same feats as 3-eye Madara since they both absorbed the juubi and got 3 eyes. Also one other difference is Hagoromo had all beasts while Madara is missing half of kyuubi + a few parts of hachibi.

So, even if you choose to refuse to accept Hagoromo>Madara, we can say they are at the very least equal in power and Hagoromo more because he has all beasts.

Madara with mokuton, rinnegan and SM, can possibly come close to achieving same power as pre-jin Hagoromo, and maybe make moons since he made 2 giant asteroids already hahah.

But
EMS Madara < Pre-jin Hagoromo
EMS Madara + Mokuton/Rinnegan/Hashi SageMode <= Pre-jin Hagoromo
3-eye Madara missing half of kyuubi and parts of hachibi <(by logic) 3 eye Hagoromo because of all beasts

Logically, thats how it goes.

If you want feats, then Konohamaru's rasengan > Hagoromo because we have never seen his defensive abilities.

I agree , but keep in mind Hagoromo never had any third eye , Only Kaguya and Madara does . Plus , the Konohamaru exemple is irrelevant mate , that wasn't what I Meant in this debate.

 

[Mr SwizZz]

Stronger with chakra level etc doesn't automatically means he beats him in a fight but as you stated it's obvious . Plus , his main hype comes from the fact that People tend to attribute him the fact that he fought and won against the Juubi alone : We have no clue about the fight and this is not a fight feat from him as he fought with his brother who is potentially a demi god too according to the hype and he SEALED the juubi , no clue about this fight at all nor the sealing technique .



I agree , but keep in mind Hagoromo never had any third eye , Only Kaguya and Madara does . Plus , the Konohamaru exemple is irrelevant mate , that wasn't what I Meant in this debate.

No, I didnt say stronger chakra level=gg
I gave several reasons why the hate?

Hagoromo does have a third eye wtf? haha
^^

Yes his Byakugan sealing master brother did help him, thats why i never mention that fight.