Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki: The Last Enemy That Shall Be Destroyed

[Draxus]

Biggest hole in Hagoromo's story is this:

How did he get his brother's moon mark? My guess is Sauce met Hamura's spirit separately and got the lowdown. Kaguya was sealed as a threat to the world. Sasuke's cooperation ends now. The catalyst for Sasuke vs. Naruto will be Sasuke not sharing his intel with Naruto, and Sasuke murdering Kurama and the Sage of the Six Paths in cold blood.

It's not a hole, because it was never stated the brother's had their own personal mark. Why wouldn't Hagoromo be able to create both sealing marks?

 

[AzR]

wow.. pretty long thread.. i have a feeling this is a good stuff.. but dont have the time to read it thou.. will come back here to indulge this

 

[MAN OF SIN]

It's not a hole, because it was never stated the brother's had their own personal mark. Why wouldn't Hagoromo be able to create both sealing marks?

If Hagoromo could make both seals why did he needed Hamura to help with the sealing?

Btw, why did the Sage make the tablet only fully readable to Rinnigan users?

 

[Draxus]

If Hagoromo could make both seals why did he needed Hamura to help with the sealing?

Btw, why did the Sage make the tablet only fully readable to Rinnigan users?

Because the jutsu requires two people. Think of it like the 4-man seal the hokages used on the juubi.

So only people who were able to acquire his power could learn about the dangers of IT. It would be dangerous to make secrets about the dojustu common knowledge because it could be used against his descendants.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Because the jutsu requires two people. Think of it like the 4-man seal the hokages used.

That isn't stated anywhere and the seal the Hokages made does not needed 4 people. Obito did it on his own. The Hokages needed to be at four places at once.

So only people who were able to acquire his power could learn about the dangers of IT. It would be dangerous to make secrets about the dojustu common knowledge because it could be used against his descendants.

So why not just make it fully readable to just regular sharingan users? Gaining the MS and the Rinnigan comes with great causes(watching a loved one dying and being near death). And very few have gained them.

 

[Draxus]

That isn't stated anywhere and the seal the Hokages made does not needed 4 people. Obito did it on his own. The Hokages needed to be at four places at once.

Obito used a different jutsu. The hokages used a red seal w/ 4 points and obito's had 6, which is much stronger than the one used by the sound ninja and in fact was stated you need 4 kage level ninja to do it.

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You know before start throwing around the phrase "That isn't stated anywhere", you might want to actually check first LOL

So why not just make it fully readable to just regular sharingan users? Gaining the MS and the Rinnigan comes with great causes(watching a loved one dying and being near death). And very few have gained them.

Why would regular sharingan users need to know the secrets of higher level doujustu? That would just make them crave the power more.

 

[Honord Sage]

Hagoromo is leaving with all the dead in chapter 692,their all fading away with your theory.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Obito used a different jutsu. The hokages used a red version, which is much stronger and in fact was stated you neeed 4 kage level ninja to do it.

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The barrel was on par with it.

Why would regular sharingan users need to know the secrets of higher level doujustu? That would just make them crave the power more.

It's a warning isn't it? Plus, a MS can already read about IT.

Hagoromo is leaving with all the dead in chapter 692,their all fading away with your theory.

Where is this stated? And he has some questions to answer.

 

[Honord Sage]

Where is this stated? And he has some questions to answer.

Read 692 again Hagoromo said He is taking the Kages with Him, not staying not doing anything but leaving with the dead so that kill your theory right on the spot.

 

[Draxus]

The barrel was on par with it.

The point is you were wrong and you need 4 kage-level ninja to do it.

It's a warning isn't it? Plus, a MS can already read about IT.

Yeah it's a warning for people w/ MS. Again why do people w/ sharingan need to know? If your point is that people will get MS just to find out what's on the tablet... that's pretty weak. No ninja that we know of has ever done that.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Read 692 again Hagoromo said He is taking the Kages with Him, not staying not doing anything but leaving with the dead so that kill your theory right on the spot.

Post the scan to refresh my memory and you think Kishi isn't going to tie those loose ends? Plus isn't my theory.

Oh I think you mean 691.

The point is you were wrong and you need 4 kage-level ninja to do it.

No, you were wrong. Shikamaru said that the barrier was on par with the last, not stronger. Apparently, it just needs four chakra sources because it's a square and each source makes one wall.

Yeah it's a warning for people w/ MS. Again why do people w/ sharingan need to know? If your point is that people will get MS just to find out what's on the tablet... that's pretty weak. No ninja that we know of has ever done that.

Regular sharingan users need to know so they don't go out looking for such a power?

 

[Draxus]

No, you were wrong. Shikamaru said that the barrier was on par with the last, not stronger. Apparently, it just needs four chakra sources because it's a square and each source makes one wall

Not sure if you're trolling or just confused. The point of my post had nothing to do with what technique was stronger and everything to do with the fact there is a technique that requires multiple people to do.

The link I post clearly shows Gai saying "That's even stronger than the Shishienjin, only 4 people of Kage level could do it!" Shikamaru's not even on the page!

So yes... YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THE MANGA NOT SAYING THAT YOU NEED 4 PEOPLE TO DO THE SEAL THE HOKAGES MADE.

Regular sharingan users need to know so they don't go out looking for such a power?

Reading the tablet wouldn't prevent that, that is silly. Upgrading you eye doesn't automatically make you perform IT.

Also how the heck was the sage supposed to know how weak sharingans would be thousands of years in the future?

You seriously have the worst counters sometimes.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Not sure if you're trolling or just confused. The point of my post had nothing to do with what technique was stronger and everything to do with the fact there is a technique that requires multiple people to do.

The link I post clearly shows Gai saying "That's even stronger than the Shishienjin, only 4 people of Kage level could do it!" Shikamaru's not even on the page!

So yes... YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THE MANGA NOT SAYING THAT YOU NEED 4 PEOPLE TO DO THE SEAL THE HOKAGES MADE.

I never mentioned Shishienjin, but Obito's barriers. Each person makes one wall. You can't compare that to the seals.

Reading the tablet wouldn't prevent that, that is silly. Upgrading you eye doesn't automatically make you perform IT.

Also how the heck was the sage supposed to know how weak sharingans would be thousands of years in the future?

You seriously have the worst counters sometimes.

Indra had a normal sharingan. He should have known whether they can read it or not.

 

[Draxus]

I never mentioned Shishienjin, but Obito's barriers. Each person makes one wall. You can't compare that to the seals.

You really are slow... when did I say you mentioned shishienjin?
I said, "think of it like the seal the 4 kages used".
You said, "It was never stated you need 4 people for that seal, obito did it himself".
I proved to you w/ scans they were 2 different jutsu AND manga does state you need 4 people. (You = wrong; me = right)
You said, "It's not stronger than Obito's" <--Completely missing the point.

This is seriously the last time I'm going over this w/ you so let's just drop the whole seal thing.

Are you saying 1 person can't make a four-sided wall? Have you seen stone ninja's?

Basically it could work like this: You need a person with sun seal and another with moon seal. The two forces have to come together with the target in the middle. That's why it requires two people.

Indra had a normal sharingan. He should have known whether they can read it or not.

Indra's sharingan was obviously a lot stronger than modern Uchiha's for obvious reasons, he had PS after all.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

You really are slow... when did I say you mentioned shishienjin?
I said, "think of it like the seal the 4 kages used".
You said, "It was never stated you need 4 people for that seal, obito did it himself".
I proved to you w/ scans they were 2 different jutsu AND manga does state you need 4 people. (You = wrong; me = right)
You said, "It's not stronger than Obito's" <--Completely missing the point.

This is seriously the last time I'm going over this w/ you so let's just drop the whole seal thing.

Are you saying 1 person can't make a four-sided wall? Have you seen stone ninja's?

Basically it could work like this: You need a person with sun seal and another with moon seal. The two forces have to come together with the target in the middle. That's why it requires two people.

You misunderstood. I meant that was never stated more than one person was needed for the seals Naruto and Sasuke used.

And stone walls=/=chakra walls. Because you don't have have to constantly put chakra into it. The stone isn't going anywhere.

Indra's sharingan was obviously a lot stronger than modern Uchiha's for obvious reasons, he had PS after all.

He didn't have the Rinnigan but EMS level eyes at most. He used PS due to Six Paths Chakra like Kakashi. According to Obito the tablet can only be partly read by Sharingan, MS further, and completely by Rinngian. So Indra would have gotten as far as what MS users can read.

 

[Draxus]

You misunderstood. I meant that was never stated more than one person was needed for the seals Naruto and Sasuke used.

Kinda like how they never said the moon seal was a power created or could only be used by Hamura

He didn't have the Rinnigan but EMS level eyes at most. He used PS due to Six Paths Chakra like Kakashi. According to Obito the tablet can only be partly read by Sharingan, MS further, and completely by Rinngian. So Indra would have gotten as far as what MS users can read.

All that is conjecture and irrelevant. It doesn't matter how much Indra could read because the tablet wasn't for him. We can't say for sure he had EMS, none of the ACTUAL pics of him show him with anything other than normal sharingan.

The point is the tablet warns people once they get to a particular stage, because the info isn't needed if you don't have the eyes. The sage clearly thought it best if no one knew about the connection between asura and indria's powers unless it was absolutely necessary. Whether he was correct in his thinking again, is not relevant to why he did it.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Indra had MS. Remember the swirly eyes? And he did left the tablet for Indra as well.

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I'm just saying that tablet makes little to no sense. Seems ever contradictory. He left it so people can reconsider mixing Indra and Ashura chakras together. But once at that stage there is no going back. Either something is up or it's bad writing.

 

[Draxus]

Indra had MS. Remember the swirly eyes? And he did left the tablet for Indra as well.

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I'm just saying that tablet makes little to no sense. Seems ever contradictory. He left it so people can reconsider mixing Indra and Ashura chakras together. But once at that stage there is no going back. Either something is up or it's bad writing.

That wasn't a picture of actual picture of indria, I don't believe that's he had MS.

The tablet isn't about going back, it's about stopping people from going forward. Just because you get MS doesn't mean you have to get Rinnegan. Just because you get Rinnegan doesn't mean you're have to use IT.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

That wasn't a picture of actual picture of indria, I don't believe that's he had MS.

The tablet isn't about going back, it's about stopping people from going forward. Just because you get MS doesn't mean you have to get Rinnegan. Just because you get Rinnegan doesn't mean you're have to use IT.

Actually he didn't left the tablet to prevent IT. Just to prevent people from getting the Rinnegan. I rechecked.

 

[ultraChalk]

Interesting. I would love it this happened. +rep

You didn't even read it all

OT: Read through half of it, very agreeable.