Had the Sanin not left the village...

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You're a bit wrong on a few things, for 1 Danzo was Orochimaru benefactor so if Orochimaru was good then Danzo wouldn't have Hashirama DNA and he wouldn't manipulated Kabuto after Danzo made Kabuto kill his mom like figure. Also Minato would still be Hokage since Jiraiya and Tsunade would have been there during Kushina giving birth as Jiraiya would be security while Tsunade delivers Naruto. I don't see Obito even getting Naruto or Kushina.

So no 9 tails attacking Konoha which means Danzo wouldn't tell the Uchihas not to help which wouldn't make villagers suspect the Uchihas in being behind the attack. Kushina being friends with Sasuke mom would play a role in Minato finding a more peaceful solution so no coup. Both Naruto and Sasuke would grow up with their family and would be friend as their moms were friends and would of had play dates and such.

Naruto wouldn't be a Jinchuuriki and grew up learning from his mom, dad, Hiraiya and the toads while Sasuke learned from his dad, Itachi and Shisui.
Minato became Hokage, because Jiraiya said no, and Tsunade's whereabouts were unknown, and Orochimaru was "evil". So if the Sannin had stayed, Jiraiya or orochimaru would've been Hokage. Minato would be in Kakashi's position right now.


And also, yea Danzo used orochimaru, if Orochimaru was good, Danzo would've tried to get rid of the trio some way or some how, via assassinations and etc. Resulting in the removal or exile of Danzo.


The reason i brought this up, is because i think this was the main problem in the leadership of konoha.

- Hashirama's generation = Hokage
- Tobirama's generation = Hokage
- Hiruzen's generation = Hokage
- Sannin's generation = ????
- Minato's generation = Hokage

^^^^^ The generation "skip" is to me what caused many of the problems.

Yo, remember what Orochimaru said when Tsunade tell him if he changed to good earlier then Jiraya wouldn't have to die ?
He said that maybe Jiraya will change his path, too.
Doesn't mean that if the Sannin stayed, the war could've been avoided.
Some changes are inevitable, and if Obito didn't 'die' and meet Madara, maybe someone else would.
He can just manipulate other people because the cause of this war is because of him, directly or not.
People change along the course of time, along with the ideology. You can't change that.
You might as well say that if Kaguya have not consumed the fruit and stay powerless then Hagoromo won't have any power so that he cannot spread chakra thus avoiding 4 shinobi wars.
War already existed before Kaguya consumed the fruit.. lol.

This is only a scenario mate, no need to get worked up about it ;p. And also, that was orochimaru's way of "justifying" his crap. I don't believe in it. Jiraiya had a strong will, unlike Oro's. Jiraiya had seen all the stuff while traveling the world, yet never changed his ideology. =].

As for Madara, sure he can manipulate people.. but the thing is there would've been a huge counter to Madara..... known as the village hidden in the leafs.

Jiraya wouldnt be as powerful of a ninja because he wouldnt have left to train in the art of sage, and Orochimaru wouldnt be that powerful either. Tsunade would be the strongest of the 3 snce her learning medical jutsu could have been done, and probably was done in konoha.
Why couldn't he had trained on mount Moyaboku? lol. Jiraiya was roaming the world, not just staying in mount moyaboku.
 
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First of all... too many virgins in this thread.
I think Orochimaru would have been Hokage. With those 3 at the head of Konoha we probably still have Minato alive, same with the Uchiha. Obito might have still died and same with Rin. But Shisui would still be alive so Itachi would be less powerful. Basically win some lose some.
 

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Minato became Hokage, because Jiraiya said no, and Tsunade's whereabouts were unknown, and Orochimaru was "evil". So if the Sannin had stayed, Jiraiya or orochimaru would've been Hokage. Minato would be in Kakashi's position right now.


And also, yea Danzo used orochimaru, if Orochimaru was good, Danzo would've tried to get rid of the trio some way or some how, via assassinations and etc. Resulting in the removal or exile of Danzo.


The reason i brought this up, is because i think this was the main problem in the leadership of konoha.

- Hashirama's generation = Hokage
- Tobirama's generation = Hokage
- Hiruzen's generation = Hokage
- Sannin's generation = ????
- Minato's generation = Hokage

^^^^^ The generation "skip" is to me what caused many of the problems.


War already existed before Kaguya consumed the fruit.. lol.

This is only a scenario mate, no need to get worked up about it ;p. And also, that was orochimaru's way of "justifying" his crap. I don't believe in it. Jiraiya had a strong will, unlike Oro's. Jiraiya had seen all the stuff while traveling the world, yet never changed his ideology. =].

As for Madara, sure he can manipulate people.. but the thing is there would've been a huge counter to Madara..... known as the village hidden in the leafs.


Why couldn't he had trained on mount Moyaboku? lol. Jiraiya was roaming the world, not just staying in mount moyaboku.

Yes, war has existed before she consumed the fruit, but all the people is chakraless, hence lesser casuality.
Think of them as samurais.
Since Hago spread the chakra, 4 shinobi wars happened.
It could be avoided completely if Kaguya didn't eat the fruit thus avoiding the awakening of Juubi from the God Tree.
My point is not to avoid the war, but to lessen casualities.
War can't be avoided if you both seek the power through occupying the land of others.
Just look at casualities caused by the Jinchuuriki and those with chakra.
Nothing serious here though, I'm just saying.
 

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Sakura, Mei, Karin, Ino, Temari, etc.
Temari - Eghhhhhhhhh, why would you even say her?
Karin - Nowhere near, as stated prior.
Sakura - No. She may be Sasuke's fangirl, but, no, she's nowhere near attaining the level of hotness that Kushina holds.
Mei - Mizukage fodder nowhere near as hot as Kushina, what you drinking bro?
Ino - No, but perhaps debatable as she is rather hot. However, I doubt she'll fall hands over heels for Sasuke unless he changes his ideals.
 

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Temari - Eghhhhhhhhh, why would you even say her?
Karin - Nowhere near, as stated prior.
Sakura - No. She may be Sasuke's fangirl, but, no, she's nowhere near attaining the level of hotness that Kushina holds.
Mei - Mizukage fodder nowhere near as hot as Kushina, what you drinking bro?
Ino - No, but perhaps debatable as she is rather hot. However, I doubt she'll fall hands over heels for Sasuke unless he changes his ideals.

Mei solo kushina in hentai,I can post some if you want me to.
 

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Several problems with these theory:

1. Jiraiya was already offerred the hokage seat but rejected it. He didn't want that position.
2. If Orochimaru hadn't left the village, things would have been even worse since him and Danzo were political allies.
3. How does this change anything about the Uchiha massacre?
 

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Yes, war has existed before she consumed the fruit, but all the people is chakraless, hence lesser casuality.
Think of them as samurais.
Since Hago spread the chakra, 4 shinobi wars happened.
It could be avoided completely if Kaguya didn't eat the fruit thus avoiding the awakening of Juubi from the God Tree.
My point is not to avoid the war, but to lessen casualities.
War can't be avoided if you both seek the power through occupying the land of others.
Just look at casualities caused by the Jinchuuriki and those with chakra.
Nothing serious here though, I'm just saying.
4 Shinobi wars are only referred to the major wars between the 5 villages, created during Hashirama's time lol. THere were plent of wars before those 4 wars.

Several problems with these theory:

1. Jiraiya was already offerred the hokage seat but rejected it. He didn't want that position.
2. If Orochimaru hadn't left the village, things would have been even worse since him and Danzo were political allies.
3. How does this change anything about the Uchiha massacre?
1. he was traveling
2. Hence why i stated if he was good
3. Massacre happened due to Danzo's plot. Danzo would've been busted out by the Sannin, especially Tsuna.
 

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Jiraya wouldnt be as powerful of a ninja because he wouldnt have left to train in the art of sage, and Orochimaru wouldnt be that powerful either. Tsunade would be the strongest of the 3 snce her learning medical jutsu could have been done, and probably was done in konoha.

Jiraiya was training with the toads at the same time he was training under Hiruzen so yes he would still be strong, Jiraiya went off to spy on Orochimaru and Akatsuki so he might in fact be stronger since he might train with Minato then Naruto after that. Tsunade stated that she was rusty in combat when we saw her in part 1 since she only taught Shizune medical ninjutsu and gambled while in Konoha she can still teach but wouldn't let her skills fall. Orochimaru is the only one who wouldn't be as powerful since he wouldn't have many of the abilities he got from his experiments but he might have taken after Hiruzen and have a fighting style more like his.

Minato became Hokage, because Jiraiya said no, and Tsunade's whereabouts were unknown, and Orochimaru was "evil". So if the Sannin had stayed, Jiraiya or orochimaru would've been Hokage. Minato would be in Kakashi's position right now.


And also, yea Danzo used orochimaru, if Orochimaru was good, Danzo would've tried to get rid of the trio some way or some how, via assassinations and etc. Resulting in the removal or exile of Danzo.


The reason i brought this up, is because i think this was the main problem in the leadership of konoha.

- Hashirama's generation = Hokage
- Tobirama's generation = Hokage
- Hiruzen's generation = Hokage
- Sannin's generation = ????
- Minato's generation = Hokage

^^^^^ The generation "skip" is to me what caused many of the problems.


War already existed before Kaguya consumed the fruit.. lol.

This is only a scenario mate, no need to get worked up about it ;p. And also, that was orochimaru's way of "justifying" his crap. I don't believe in it. Jiraiya had a strong will, unlike Oro's. Jiraiya had seen all the stuff while traveling the world, yet never changed his ideology. =].

As for Madara, sure he can manipulate people.. but the thing is there would've been a huge counter to Madara..... known as the village hidden in the leafs.


Why couldn't he had trained on mount Moyaboku? lol. Jiraiya was roaming the world, not just staying in mount moyaboku.

You are right on some of that but it would be Orochimaru who would be Hokage, Orochimaru liked Orochimaru the best and he only didn't choose him because he suspected him of dark deeds. Tsunade said Hiruzen wanted Jiraiya as Hokage but I think that was after Orochimaru was too dark to do it and Jiraiya only turned it down when the elders asked him to in part 1. With all of that said I do think Hiruzen would have retired earlier and help Orochimaru as he did Minato then after some years Orochimaru might pass it to Minato when he's older himself.

But there would be issues such as Gaara not meeting Naruto as he did to change him good and Gaara father being alive since Orochimaru didn't kill him and pose as him to attack Konoha. We also don't know if Danzo turned Hanzo against Nagato/Yahiko/Konan which turned Nagato bad. Also because Orochimaru never left Konoha to join Akatsuki and Jiraiya never found out about Akatsuki, no one in Konoha would know about them. Itachi was the one to get Deidara to join so does that mean Deidara didn't join? Itachi wouldn't have his Totsuka blade or Yata mirror since he found them after leaving Konoha. If Shisui doesn't die then no MS from Itachi who still would have his disease but with no reason to hold on as he did for Sasuke to get stronger, he might surcome to his disease unless Tsunade can maybe save him. Kakashi would have been more in Naruto's life as Minato was his teacher.

Lots of changes could happen
 

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Jiraiya was training with the toads at the same time he was training under Hiruzen so yes he would still be strong, Jiraiya went off to spy on Orochimaru and Akatsuki so he might in fact be stronger since he might train with Minato then Naruto after that. Tsunade stated that she was rusty in combat when we saw her in part 1 since she only taught Shizune medical ninjutsu and gambled while in Konoha she can still teach but wouldn't let her skills fall. Orochimaru is the only one who wouldn't be as powerful since he wouldn't have many of the abilities he got from his experiments but he might have taken after Hiruzen and have a fighting style more like his.



You are right on some of that but it would be Orochimaru who would be Hokage, Orochimaru liked Orochimaru the best and he only didn't choose him because he suspected him of dark deeds. Tsunade said Hiruzen wanted Jiraiya as Hokage but I think that was after Orochimaru was too dark to do it and Jiraiya only turned it down when the elders asked him to in part 1. With all of that said I do think Hiruzen would have retired earlier and help Orochimaru as he did Minato then after some years Orochimaru might pass it to Minato when he's older himself.

But there would be issues such as Gaara not meeting Naruto as he did to change him good and Gaara father being alive since Orochimaru didn't kill him and pose as him to attack Konoha. We also don't know if Danzo turned Hanzo against Nagato/Yahiko/Konan which turned Nagato bad. Also because Orochimaru never left Konoha to join Akatsuki and Jiraiya never found out about Akatsuki, no one in Konoha would know about them. Itachi was the one to get Deidara to join so does that mean Deidara didn't join? Itachi wouldn't have his Totsuka blade or Yata mirror since he found them after leaving Konoha. If Shisui doesn't die then no MS from Itachi who still would have his disease but with no reason to hold on as he did for Sasuke to get stronger, he might surcome to his disease unless Tsunade can maybe save him. Kakashi would have been more in Naruto's life as Minato was his teacher.

Lots of changes could happen
of course lots of changes would happen.
 

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1. he was traveling
2. Hence why i stated if he was good
3. Massacre happened due to Danzo's plot. Danzo would've been busted out by the Sannin, especially Tsuna.

1. So? What makes you think he would have accepted the hokage seat if he had not been traveling? Jiraiya stated it was for the reason that it didn't suit his character, not because he was traveling

2. oh, didn't catch that.

3. Uchiha massacre happened for a number of reasons and Danzo was only one of them. How would the Sannin have found out about Danzo's plans anyway?
 

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1. So? What makes you think he would have accepted the hokage seat if he had not been traveling? Jiraiya stated it was for the reason that it didn't suit his character, not because he was traveling

2. oh, didn't catch that.

3. Uchiha massacre happened for a number of reasons and Danzo was only one of them. How would the Sannin have found out about Danzo's plans anyway?

1. his character = traveling and preaching = not staying in one place = not being hokage



3. The massacre only happened because of Danzo. He was the only reason. You can say "uchiha shouldn't have revolted".. however, who triggered the revolt? danzo.. everything points to Danzo.
 
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