[VS] Guren VS Tsunade
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Yeah it depends on whether Tsunade lands a hit on Guren first or Guren crystallizes Tsunade. The most effective way to crystallize Tsunade will be to tag her with her own hands which is possible based on Guren's reactions. Even after Shino drained Guren's chakra to the extent that it temporarily prevented Guren from using crystal style, Guren still had the reflexes to dodge over a dozen rasengan wielding Naruto clones surrounding her. Guren could also evade Kakashi's raikiri despite it being hyped to be a fast thrust so she'd be capable of evading Tsunade just like part one Kabuto did. Yes Tsunade was rusty but Guren is well above part one Kabuto as she matched part two Kakashi.
On the other hand, Guren's attacks forced Kakashi into midair which made him a sitting duck for additional attacks resulting in him getting stabbed. Since Tsunade can regenerate, Guren would instead opt to crystallize Tsunade at that moment and there'd be nothing Tsunade can do about it.
Tsunade could try to punch the ground to catch Guren off guard, but while Tsunade does that, she's a sitting duck to getting imprisoned.
If Tsunade opts to summon Katsuyu, it gets crystalized like the three tails would have if it wasn't for it being made out of pure chakra. Regardless, Katsuyu's offensive abilities are easily evaded, blocked or crystallized (much like Naruto+Gamakichi's fuuton+water bullet combo).
To make this fight more balanced, I'll make it so that Guren has to capture Tsunade alive while Tsunade can kill.
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In many aspects, Guren was seriously OP. She definitely displayed better speed feats, although I believe Kakashi wasn't 100% during their encounter. Regardless of, Tsuande lacks reflexes and impressive CQC to pressure Guren into a corner.
The only offensives Tsunade counters are crystal dragons, as they'd be easy linear targets for her to shatter.
She's a bad match-up for Tsuande. Lol
You're right about Kakashi as he didn't use the sharingan in one of their encounters for some odd reason. Regardless, the sharingan would only help him in CQC but he'd still be forced in midair once Guren starts growing crystal spikes underneath him and the same result happens.
Who do you think would win in a straight up CQC fight if all kinds of ninjutsu including medical ninjutsu was totally restricted? Of course Guren can use her crystal blade while Tsunade can use her CES.
While I agree Guren is a bad match up for Tsunade, she's also a simply better fighter than her as well. Guren has an easier time landing hits on her opponents and an easier time defending herself as well. Furthermore, the versatility of her kkg is only beat by Hashirama's mokuton.
Tsunade destroys her.
May I remind you that she creates fissures in the ground with one finger. Tsunade outright stops any crystal structure from forming. Plus she has full intel so she knows crystal structures can come from underground.
Tsunade doesnt need any force when throwing her attack as she builds up chakra for her power so her being midair doesnt at all hinder her from decimating any crystal structures. Not to mention her flexibility in the air being able to wield Bunta's sword midair, she has complete control in the air. Another instance is when she throws a midair spin kick at Madara after light speed transfer.
Until Guren reacts faster than other members of the Gokage and or gets the drop on a Madara Uchiha legged susano then we can talk about her even being in Tsunade's league.
Edit: This is essentially Tsunade vs Kimi v2. except Tsunade is not facing a taijustu expert and a different mineral is used.
May I remind you that she creates fissures in the ground with one finger. Tsunade outright stops any crystal structure from forming. Plus she has full intel so she knows crystal structures can come from underground.
Tsunade doesnt need any force when throwing her attack as she builds up chakra for her power so her being midair doesnt at all hinder her from decimating any crystal structures. Not to mention her flexibility in the air being able to wield Bunta's sword midair, she has complete control in the air. Another instance is when she throws a midair spin kick at Madara after light speed transfer.
Until Guren reacts faster than other members of the Gokage and or gets the drop on a Madara Uchiha legged susano then we can talk about her even being in Tsunade's league.
Edit: This is essentially Tsunade vs Kimi v2. except Tsunade is not facing a taijustu expert and a different mineral is used.
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She can destroy crystals after they've formed but how can she prevent Guren from forming them? Tsunade can't even antipate the crystal until it starts forming anyway. By default, Tsunade's finger isn't touching the ground so I see this as a nonsensical counter.
Tsunade can't destroy any crystal when she herself turns into a crystal. Tsunade can move her limbs while in midair but it doesn't stop her from getting crystallized. Guren can crystalize the moisture around Tsunade's body. So now Tsunade has better reactions than Ay? Man the Tsunade fanbase is truly something.
Tagging and outmaneuvering a giant construct like susanoo which is nerfed due to Madara making 25 clones now somehow means Tsunade is out of Guren's league?
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Its as simple as Tsunade touching the ground with her finger to break up this technique, she simply is not getting caught. Not even the ground, let talk about Tsunade putting her finger anyway which would have the same power behind it.
Right so your telling me she can crystallize anyone at any given time just like that? Funny I wonder how Naruto and crew got through that one.
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as Ay stands still. I dont make this stuff up even though you guys think I do. Explain to me how its somehow nerfed? Nerfed Madara still shits on Guren anyday so.
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Tsunade's feat get impaled before she can touch the ground? Are you telling me Tsunade bends down and hits the ground with her finger faster than Tsunade's feet get impaled? Tsunade is better off jumping as that is easier. Kakashi could have easily used raikiri to shatter the crystals instead of jumping up yet he chose to put himself in midair. Probably because the crystals grew too suddenly and have virtually no range until they hit the target due to spawning right underneath them.
Naruto and crew don't have regeneration and it wasn't like she was serious against Naruto. The only time she was serious was against the three tails and possibly against Kakashi. Regardless, Kakashi was beaten without having to crystallize him which would have killed him so obviously the filler script writers won't kill off a main character.
It was Mei's job to extinguish the suiton but Tsunade took the initiative to block the attack. How does that prove Tsunade's reactions are above Ay's when we don't know whether Ay was still banking on Mei using her suiton?
Because the chakra of the susanoos is divided 25 times. Are you claiming that Naruto's many clones are individually just as strong as the original Naruto not using clones? Irrelevant, it's not like Tsunade doesn't get shitted on by Madara either.
You cant compare Kakashi cutting through the crystals to Tsunade smashing them. That not at all the same situation, thats dealing completely different types of damage. There would be no range in Kakashi trying to cut through the crystals like that while Tsunade would destroy a whole array of crystals with her one hit.
What does regeneration have to do with this? Ok filler script doesnt want to kill off the main character but you are saying she basically could? So Guren defeats everyone then just crystallizes everyone because of their moisture?
You would have to prove he was banking on her suiton. Why wouldnt Tsunade bank on the same thing? She was the one who literally said they needed Mei for Madara's Katon attack. What is the reasoning now that Tsunade reacted faster? Oh poor slow Tsunade always needs a reason to outperform another character.
Thats the dumbest counter I have ever seen, from now on I am just going to assume a character was thinking that someone else was going to handle it thats the reason they did not react.
Except these are wood clones not shadow clones. Except that was not what I said, this was a nerfed Madara who Tsunade kept up with who Guren would have zero chance against.
Kakashi's single raikiri stab completely blew up three crystal dragons much like how you suggest Tsunade's punches do.
She didn't need to crystallize Kakashi to defeat him but against Tsunade she will because Tsunade has regeneneration. She's used crystallization
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, the Sanbi (
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), Rinji (
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), etc. What exactly makes Tsunade different? Rinji could prevent himself getting crystallized by using sound waves while the Sanbi was a pure chakra beast which can't be crystallized. However, it was stopped in its tracks before it broke out.Why are you placing the burden of proof on me? You're the one who made the claim this is a reaction feat which puts her above Ay. Tsunade was intelligent enough to realize that Mei wouldn't make it in time.
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when the Raikage started charging, does this put Dodai's reactions to be above KCM Naruto? Only an idiot would think so because Naruto wasn't planning to retreat. Likewise, you'd have to prove that Ay planned to move out of the way instead of expecting Mei to extinguish the suiton. Wood clones have also been shown to be weaker than the original considering how easily edo Madara decimated edo Hashirama's and even commented on it. Tsunade may have "kept" up with nerfed Madara but she had zero chance against him. Tsunade was very useful due to her medical abilities and because she's a chakra battery. In pure combat she's inferior to Guren.
They blew up when he charged his raikiri with electricity. As we know raikiri is a cutting technique like how it cut into domu, it certainly has a more explosive effect when charged but to compare it to what Tsunade would do if they were on the ground is wrong.
This was base Kakashi w/o Sharingan and every time she met him with his sharingan she could hardly keep up and was constantly retreating as well as had outside interference. Base Kakashi was shown to be completely dodging crystal spikes emerging rapidly from a construct while midair.
If Guren gets that close to Tsunade she wont be making hand seals for her attack instead she will be constantly dodging
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. Tsunade wont be the one on the defensive Guren will, she wont have time to make any hand seals if she is close to Tsunade and nothing she does from long range is going to stop Tsunade who will smash everything to pieces. My claim was Tsunade reacted faster than the rest of the gokage, which is shown. You stated that was false and Ay did not react because he was banking on Mei using a suiton. You did not realize that Tsunade would bank on the same thing, which would then again show Tsunade reacting faster than the rest after Mei couldn't stop it. Unless you want to argue that Ay was banking on Mei and Tsunade now lol. Not to mention this was just base Ay yet for some reason you still wanted to argue this very dumb point without even looking at the situation simply because I was talking about Tsunade out preforming another character.
As if Tsunade the Hokage who fought against Madara wouldn't be able to react to some Orochimaru underling lol.
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the original couldn't focus enough power to it. In this case the original Madara was doing nothing else but focusing on the battle against the gokage. I dont recall the gokage landing that much offense against Madara until Tsunade got involved in the combat. They got what 1 hit on him while Tsunade made contact about 3 times.
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